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    “of the feminine species”

    Uh, do you want to explain to this guy what a species is, or do I have to?

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      As a man who likes fedoras, this stereotype offends me. Sadly, it’s an accurate description most of th etime.

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        Usually the Redditors wear the fedora without knowing how to pair it correctly with the rest of their outfits, so don’t worry, if you wear a nice attire and a fedora people won’t get you confused with the guy wearing an ahegao t-shirt two sizes too small and cargo shorts.

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      And I can hear it spoken with a lisp that you get when talking with a mouth full of prosthetics. Pfemales

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        Ladies wasn’t used in the Original Post.


        When playing a RPG of some sort, sometimes they give you the ability to reallocate all your talent points in a different way. Such as switching from melee focused to something magic oriented like a wizard or a witch. This is called a Respec, short for Re-specialization.


        Respec sounds very similar to Respect. The Original Post is about respecting women.

        I appreciate your interest in my comment, hope you have a nice day. Take care.

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      Is female derogatory? I thought it was just a more scientific classification.

      Edit: I work at a large engineering and manufacturing company where some of our products need to take into consideration the difference between male and female anatomy. I just hear “male” and “female” systems discussed on a weekly basis so I think I might sometimes refer to men and women as “male” and “female” outside of work without giving it a second thought.

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        Using scientific terminology in colloquial speech is weird and creepy in most contexts. Calling kids “juveniles” and women “females” carries certain connotations, most of them bad.

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        Using female as a noun (rather than as an adjective, such as in the phrase “female firefighter”, or any phrase of the format “female $noun”) is generally overly clinical and dehumanizing. Some people do it out of habit due to their profession-- usually researchers or soldiers-- but they usually say “males and females”, which while still weird isn’t the worst.

        The guys who say “men and females” are the ones you need to watch out for.

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        It’s not inherently derogatory, but it does hold a connotation if you refer to women as females particularly in contexts where you wouldn’t/don’t refer to men as males.

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        I thought it was just a more scientific classification.

        Scientifc classification by sex. Referring to others by their biological sex in a social context is weird and creepy. Even if you believe sex and gender are the same thing, it’s still weird to call people by their sex. “Hello, male human. Want to ingest some fried pieces of cow flesh tonight?”

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        Yes, using scientific terminology can be derogatory. But in this case, acting like the opposite sex is a species on its own, classifying them as animals and slurring all women as hoes gave it away for me.

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        If you are calling a woman “a female”, and aren’t a cop discussing a victim or a doctor writing a chart, then yes, it’s fucking derogatory.

        We’re not Ferengi.

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          Yep. A lot of incels seemingly are unfamiliar with scientific classification and try to use it in casual statements.

          Like, they sound real stupid trying to redirect it to be about science then saying phrases like “boobs and tits”.

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        I thought it was just a more scientific classification.

        It’s a classification of sex like biological characteristics, like chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs.  Are you asking about that?

        Gender is a social construct. Just like race. Where you can be a Black person who is British. Or a Filipino American.

        Edit: downvoters, you know you can literally open up a scientific book and verify for yourself, right? Downvotes don’t make a thing false.

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    In most contexts, you’d just say…”people”.

    Or, if you’re actually trying to make a demographic-wide statement, like how women aren’t good at video games, you’d just say:

    “IGNORE ME, I AN A SEXIST MORON.”

    Basically, the meme isn’t much meant for the word choice, it’s how often incels have statements to make on half the population.

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    You remember how everyone just used to say women 10-20 years ago? I guess that’s woke now. So much for conserving.

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            The multiple of “trans woman” is “trans women” just like with “cis women”, not “trans-woman”.

            There’s also no dash in either “cis women” or “trans women”, it’s not half-cis half-woman like Spider-Man, it’s just a descriptor adjective, like “cis woman” and “trans woman”.

            “Cis” and “Trans” of course come from the Latin prefixes meaning “this side of” or “other side of” such as in Cislunar Orbit or Translunar Injection (TLI) in astrodynamics, or the Cisalpine/Transalpine Gaul in historical geography or in Cis/Trans isomerism in Chemistry.

            “Transmaxxing” is primarily used by incels that believe transition can be a way out of their inceldom, similar to gym-‘maxxing’ etc., while I’ve never heard of anyone actually transitioning for such silly reasons as it’s a helluva thing to do, I doubt that this would work out in their favour.

            Additionally while many cis women do hate trans women, statistically speaking they are less likely to be against trans rights than men, especially on issues like trans women using the women’s bathroom or gyms or other issues that upset some cis people like healthcare access for trans children via either hormones or puberty blockers.

            Source from surveys carried out on TERF Island in 2020 and 2022:

            https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

            https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30906-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

            Let me know if you need further help.

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              No no no, It was coined by Cis White women to trash Trans-Women, PERIOD Stop scapegoating incels for everything & stop being a sex-obsessed creep (who wants to peek at other’s sex-life) as well, get some therapy

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                Well you brought up up the matter, not me, I don’t have any interest in sex lives of incels or anyone else really, I don’t think it’s wrong to discuss such subjects on the internet though, there’s really nothing to be ashamed of, I didn’t lose my virginity till 20. It’s really all okay.

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            Really? Most of my friends and family are super conservative and even though they disagree with the whole concept of transsexuality none of them hate trans women. Maybe you’re protecting your bigotry.

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    “people with vaginas” is one option ig. or if they also identify as women, cis women is another option

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      When did “people with vaginas” unironically become a way to refer to anyone, especially as an alternative to “female”?

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        People with vaginas is the right terminology if discussing something that pertains to vaginas. Eg. “People with vaginas should make sure to see a gynecologist regularly.” in this case, saying “women” would exclude/misgender many trans and intersex people who have vaginas but are not women, while also including some women who do not have vaginas and would not need to see a gynecologist

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          The person you replied to said “female” though. As far as I know, “Man”/“Woman” is on the gender side while “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

          Although taking all three into account may just make it hard to determine. But it does imply that “male woman” and “female man” are also valid combinations.

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            “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

            Not really, I don’t think. They’re just the adjectives where woman/man are the nouns. If you talk about a male coworker I assume he’s a man, not that you checked his birth certificate.

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            Male and Female are still normative exclusionary categories that describe trends within physiology and not hard rules or limits. Sex is not a golden rule. It is a human created category in the same way gender is.

            If you want to talk about specific anatomy there is no reason why you can’t talk about the anatomy you’re referring to.

            I would also point out that referring to trans women as male woman is very derogatory and is functionally the same as calling us heshes or shemales.

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            Sex is a lot more complicated than male/female. There’s a bunch of different sex characteristics that make up “sex” and people can have all sorts of different combinations of them. If you just use a male/female binary, that doesn’t tell people what sex characteristic you’re referring to. Maybe something affects people based on chromosones, in which case people who are xy but otherwise “female” (like with cais) would go in the “male” category and vice versa. Or maybe something affects people based on hormones, in which case transgender people taking hrt would have to be categorized based on that. If you say “male/female”, no one knows if you’re talking about hormones, or genitals, or chromosones, or gonads, or whatever else, so it’s best to be specific and use language like “people with [body part]”

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        well sometimes u need to refer to ppl who have a vagina, because having a vagina is somehow relevant to the topic of conversation. which in my experience comes up very rarely, so i dont have to use it very often.

        some people who have vaginas arent women, and so if the topic includes those ppl, then “people with vaginas” is the perfect phrase to use. and if talking about ppl with vaginas who all identify as women, cis women is more fitting.

        “female” is a very vague way of referring to something. some ppl use it to describe gender identity, others use it to talk about ppl with vaginas, others again use it to refer to ppl with estrogen-dominant hormonal systems, etc. etc.

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        When the genital sexuals came on the scene. You know the ones who want to check everyone’s genitals to make sure they are what they say they are. The ones who are only attracted to the genitals, they could care less what is attached to them.

        For them genitals is life and they have infiltrated our government to pass laws like bathroom bills. This will allow them to examine everyone’s genitals. So far they appear to be winning and everyone’s genitals will soon be seen by them.

        The Genital Safety Administration (GSA) will need to have a booth in front of our bathrooms there to perform their checks. Another genital sexual licking their lips in anticipation next time you have to drop a deuce.

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      Casual erasure of post-op trans people is really fascinating to me. Like, how did our culture shift from the first thing people think about trans people being “have you had tHe sURgErY yet???” to “if you have a vagina and are a woman you are cis”?