Yeah, dumb take.

The Americans at the time were way worse than the British. The Boston Massacre was a great example of propaganda that was pushed by the wealthy’s news outlets to divide the colonists.

The founding father’s were manipulative fucks that used terror and lies to take control of the colonies for their own interests.

Washington was on his way to becoming the first billionaire adjusted for inflation. This just reinforces there are no good guys.

It is not my definition, it is the definition of the man who created the concept.

The whole world became fascist as many countries didn’t have the strong corporatism elements to enable it without countries like the US introducing them. So it is only in more recent history (last two-hundred or so years) and before that I think proto-fascist would be more appropriate.

I am sure you could argue that before corporations guilds and trade groups created similar effects when lobbying governments. In modern times the wealthy’s favorite proxy, the corporation, has certainly become the dominate form of our culture.

I think a lot of people are hung up with Nazi = fascists, but the Italians were fascists and they were not Nazi. Also, the idea that Fascism is inherently bad. While our culture has certainly made it a problem, who is it to say with the right ethics and considerations that it couldn’t be conducted in a way that wasn’t destructive to the out groups.

There is also consideration for degrees. Obviously some countries policies are more fascist than others. So saying how fascist is probably more correct than a simple fascist or not statement.

When it comes to the US giving material support to the Nazi’s it is clear that they were just as fascist if not more than the Nazi. After all, Hitler modeled the final solution on how the US handled the Native Americans.

Private US citizens helped bank roll the Nazi party and IBM came up with the numbering system for the Jews and helped determine how many needed to be “cleared” out of the ghettos daily to allow the final solution to work. Not to mention the US lobbied the rest of the world not to take the Jews in before the final solution was ever proposed.

Why would I care what Wikipedia says when we have literal quotes from the guy that invented the term.

The complexity is just people trying to skirt around the truth that they live in a fascist society. But, just for shits and giggles let’s explore it.

“totalitarian, nationalist ideology emphasizing the absolute supremacy of the State, rejecting liberalism, democracy, and individualism for a collective, hierarchical society focused on national power, glory, and unity, organized corporatist-style with state control over economy and industry, built on myth, militarism, and the cult of the strong leader.”

Wow, so basically the US was fascist before we had a word for it. The founding fathers were definitely proto-fascists.

Oh yes, most of the world is definitely fascist as well. Did you miss the US toppling tons of nations and installing dictators?

If 90% + of all policy in all governments are written by corporations that pretty much seals it.

Liberalism, democracy, equality, etc. are just propaganda created by fascist nations to justify their existence to the people who don’t know better. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.

Always is, always was

What in the literal hell are you talking about!?

I think you need to recheck what fascism is. The best definition is fascism = corporatism which was explained by Mussolini who invented the word.

The US has been fascist for a very long time and has helped spread it all over the world.

Oh sure, they have used commercial artist’s work without compensation so many times. It is clear they never wanted to pay for it to begin with.

99% of art is made without the intention of selling it. I think it is bizarre that capitalists are so desperate to make art = money when that was never the point to begin with for the majority of it. It is just another perversion from our greedy culture.

The Repugnicans are still trying to bill this as a peaceful protest. The kind of peaceful protest where a mob showed up to kill people and had to be held back by force.

It is funny because Trump talks so much shit about the press, but they got his back. It is pretty sad to watch, but we have known for decades that the independent press is a lie in the US.

I think you act like a mentally ill asshole. I am sure your family already knows this. My apologies to them.

You act like a garbage human being. Have fun catching bullets in your made up fantasy.

Rush Limbaugh literally set the stage for this. The kind of guy who should have been immediately cancelled. Instead, he was allowed to live on as a celebrity radio hate monger. Hate radio poisoned an entire generation of people. Rush didn’t do it by himself, but he was the poster child for it.

Alex may have not had as big of an impact but he tortured people who lost their children in probably one of the most psychologically damaging ways possible.

Allowing people like that to make millions off of lies and hate is no kind of freedom for those who suffer. Of course Trump awarded Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I think he may have influenced a little more than policy.

Frankly, you are a mess. You really don’t know one end from the other and I hope you handle your family a shit ton better than this conversation.

You are constantly oscillating between being a victim and rage hating. The fact that I am more mature is self-evident. Your alarmism is unbecoming and counterproductive.

If you just came here to rage and not to discuss, understand, learn, or grow that is fine. You should at least be honest with yourself if you can’t be honest with me.

I like you. You are certainly passionate and remind me of myself many years ago.

Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.

I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.

If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.

The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.

Stop using those big words, you are just going to hurt yourself.

You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.

You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.

I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.

You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.

You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.

Looks like you got nothing but insults. A complete failure.

Please grow up, your not convincing me of anything. Go pray to your corporate overlords.

You don’t even know how to ridicule. You are like a child that just learned that word. You think you are the first person to wish the US to fail!? Do you have any idea the millions who begged for this that are already dead.

I know the US is the most destructive country the world has ever seen. You are just another wanna be propagandist who is doing a shit job. Divide and conquer just like the wealthy have done.

Canada hasn’t done shit for me, nor would I expect it to. You sound like a prideful nationalist to me. No surprise as Canada is also a fascist nation full of fools controlled by the wealthy.

I have already been an advocate my whole life, I have helped more people in a month than you will in your lifetime. I have been involved with local, state, and federal politics. I stood on my state government’s steps demanding rights for people and was successful. I have lobbied my representatives in Washington DC in person.

Please take your high horse and ride it to fuck off land with your garbage takes. I am glad you can at least recognize the root of our problems. Stop grandstanding and figure out what to do. And for the love of god drop the sanctimonious bullshit. It is a very bad look for you.

Most people only know what propaganda they have been fed. Here you are trying to divide us just like the wealthy have.

The US controls the world, nothing is going to happen.

We were at the turning point during the revolutionary war. The wealthy won, convinced the colonist to turn on each other and created a government hell bent on death and destruction.

The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to make corporations and their shareholders wealthy. The historical purpose was lost long ago.

We need to act for sure, but it is clear you have no idea what to do. Reactionary violence is not going to solve this problem.

I am from the US and you didn’t make me upset at all. In fact, this was a pretty poor showing. Keep it up though. You have so much more to learn.

I will even give you some more. You live in a nation controlled by corporations. Be the shining light to the rest of the world. Take back your rights, eliminate the wealth gap, and create a government that resists corruption instead of embracing it.

Did you miss the US spreading fascism to every corner of the globe. The US already won the war. Every country is fascist with ever growing income gaps. The wealthy won and humanity lost.

Useful for corporations to make money and millions of Americans to die senselessly in gun violence you mean?