Those aren’t exclusionary statements
Trump is a symptom of the wider rot that the establishment Democrats are a part of
Bullshit, he is literally part of the disease.
Bullshit, without the disease he could never, ever have taken office. No functioning Republic would allow it
Just to be clear: symptoms are part of a disease.
Trump is a symptom and also part of the disease. Is there more to the disease than just trump? yes. There are kind of a lot of parts of this disease and they include effectively all of the current Cabinet, House, Senate and Judiciary. Some of those symptoms are democratic and, while I consider many of these democrats to be personally accountable for the issues we face, I also hold that the system is the real problem.
The existing system is the disease and, while we made it over 200 years, I think about the phrase ‘a more perfect union’ in that a perfect union is a goal, but was not a guarantee and bad actors will find loopholes and vulnerabilities.
We tried to get rid of kings; and did for a time, but eventually replaced them with technocrats.
There’s only a handful of them, and a LOT of us. Let’s aim for the next more perfect union and ditch these modern kings.
Yes. The pedodent is supported by the billionaire class and in turn funnels even more taxpayer dollars to then and his own family. The billionaires in turn help manufacture of amplify the conflicts he feeds upon.
But it could be more honest. Dems suck because they’re all bark and part of the problem themselves. Pelosi built a fortune on insider trading, but they keep acting like they’re innocent and “helping” the avg citizen. They sure as hell not with posts like this.
Both. Both is true.
Yes, specifically: The billionaires class hired Trump to do this. They may have gotten more than they bargained for, or they may not care since it’s not yet affecting most of them.
Some of them are actively working with Trump towards a future where prison labor in their factories fuels their wealth in perpetuity. It is as simple as incarceration of millions of slave laborers and becoming a government contractor.
Footage of private prison executives celebrating the Trump reelection leaked when it happened. Some immigration camps are already creating labor.
It’s wild because these supposed geniuses have clearly not thought about who the fuck is going to buy all the shit produced by prison labor when EVERYONE IS PRISON LABOR! They’re addicted to making money and will happily squeeze all the money out of everyone till we’re all dead. It’s like if you have a cow and take all the milk and leave nothing for the calves; someday you’ll be left with nothing.
It’s completely possible for only the wealthy elite to prosper even if everyone else dives into extreme poverty. That’s the way it worked for thousands of years.
Or they may be even affected positively based on what industry they own, since they can jack prices higher than needed during a time of crisis.
Yes, of course it’s both, but I think people are upset with the statement because Democrats (with a few exceptions) traditionally bend over backwards trying to ignore the fact that the billionaire class is a HUGE part of the problem.
Yeah, but Trump will go away, and the billionaires will still be there. Probably having other politicians do something for them.
Lets concider the context:
House democrats represent the old wave democrats, whereas Nina Turner is part of the Bernie wave. The old wave is dependent on super PACs for getting elected which means they need to lick as many billionaire boots as possible. The Bernie wave is much more credible in that they rely on grass root donations instead of super PACs.
So when House democrats are saying that Trump is the issue, they are implying that if democrats are governing, then housing prices will improve. But swapping bootlickers with other bootlickers are not going to change anything.
Change require that we give the middle finger to the billionaires.
Two things can be true
Somehow this is the most ignored fact ever known, for internet people. No, you just simply cannot acknowledge two compatible facts. One is worthless garbage (your fact) while the other is profound wisdom (my fact). For example, here, somehow Donald Trump being a billionaire with the largest amount of power on earth is lost on this person, basically because it helps them burn the Democrats. Really kind of an idiotic response if you ask me. A billionaire acting the most like a billionaire is the “wrong” culprit here. And they think they’re such a big brain for this.
One of those things is just a subset of a much larger group, but both are only products of a systemic failure that democrats refuse to acknowledge - which makes them seem inauthentic to most people experiencing the problem.
Libs will pretend that this is not a problem.
Libs
Kinda says it all.
If it looks and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.
Personally I think putting people into boxes based on almost nothing is toxic but maybe that’s just me being a sHiTlIb
I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It’s not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.
Unless you’re upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the ‘bad’ capitalists? I think that’s pretty self evident but I’d be happy to argue the merits.
The boxes shouldn’t exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a “liberal” because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I’m wrong about what I believe because “you’re a liberal!!” Which I’m not, insofar as how they mean it. And that’s the problem.
To continue the analogy. You say you’re putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I’d compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you’re shoving them into the boxes just for that. It’s all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren’t evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It’s actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It’s exactly what you’d want if you’re a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.
Yep sure is
“This person”
Literally a progressive who co-chaired Bernie’s 2020 run and has consistently fought for progressive policies.
I think she deserves to speak the truth to power.
Also, literally a Democrat.
Okay. Even heroes can be testy know it alls at times.
I got a good one for you
Me: Trump won because people didn’t vote for Kamala. She got 10 million less votes than Biden.
Tankies: No it’s because she ran a bad campaign. It’s not because of the voters at all.
Exactly. As if those are competing ideas. For those to be competing ideas, voters have no agency. Which they do not hesitate to imply if it makes them feel correct.
I’m gonna be honest: voters are dumb, and that’s the biggest reason why they don’t have agency. Forget voter ID and banning mail-ins, the biggest form of voter suppression is propaganda. Billionaires invest tons of money into making sure voters stay dumb. Politicians actually have a ton of control over voters, because they’re so easy to manipulate. So the tankies do have a point.
HOWEVER, if voters weren’t so dumb, they’d have agency! And the tankies who didn’t vote because they’re scared of lesser evilism? Well yeah, there’s your voter suppression through propaganda. The dumb voting is coming from inside the house.
Ew, I didn’t order any boots. Try Jack’s table instead.
This isn’t 2 things; Trump is a part of the billionaire class. They’re just not being specific enough, mostly because many of them work for the billionaire class.
One of those things is more true than the other.
They’re both completely true, minus turner’s bs about lessons, so no.
We should probably stop calling them a class and just say billionaires. Calling them a class gives them validation. They are just greedy shitty people
I think i disagree. ‘Bilionaires’ makes it seem seem like a nebulous group of individuals, like
‘oh <insert random billionaire who hadnt been in the news lately for something evil> just happens to have a ton of money, you can’t hold that against them without evaluating their actions as an individual’
The problem is that they are a class, or rather that the class exists as a class and that they are use their power, act as and are catered to, as a class.
If there were 100 individuals around the word who just happened to have assets valuing 1,000,000,000$ or more, even if they owned shitty companies companies and were all assholes, that would be one thing.
Assuming they not associate with each other, conspire together to warp society and governments to their shared wills etc, it would be a far different world.
If they were seen as just rare individuals, governments would not bend to their whims; one billionaire threatens to offshore his buisness unless he gets favorable laws, to ignore taxes etc, the country threatens to nationalism his buisness, or just locks his ass up. I one guy is found to be bribing one or countless politicians, thats a treasonous scandal.
When a couple dozen are making these threats in lockstep, they are holding the country’s economy hostage. And when between them they are bribing all the politicians, that becomes the staus quo.
its when they act as a class that its a real problem.
I like the Epstein class because it’s not just billionaires that are the problem, it’s all the people who break or circumvent the law to enrich themselves or gain power.
Reminds me of this:
The biggest tour de force of the century so far is the billionaires who built/bought the social media’s and diverted the attention from the class war (member 2008?) to an ideology war.
They won their bet
The dummies followed and even fought for them
What we need is people who actually write up policy proposals. It doesn’t matter whether you have a senate majority, you need to write the policy proposals now. What actually changes things is societal pressure, and you only build that up by showing that another way is possible, which you show by writing down how exactly you would run an alternative society. For which you have to write down policy proposals.
The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2029 runbook proves they don’t know what they’re doing.
The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2028 runbook proves that they’re not even trying.
They are in on it or worse also caught up in the Epstein/Trump honey Trump.
Yeah, but not because they’re malicious, just inept.
Controlled opposition by design
Hanlon’s Razor disagrees
When it comes to politics Hanlon’s razor provides a distinction without a difference.
I think stupidity is harder to deal with than malice.
lol
You’re telling me you think they can’t fail more completely? They’re clearly either not trying at failing or not trying at succeeding.
Either way they’re inept.
Everybody who’s complaining about “the rich” or “the oligarchs” should invest a few thoughts into how to actually formulate a law that makes society a better place.
We have. It’s called “theory”, and it’s a lot more complicated than just tacking on a few more laws to an already corrupt system of government in order to try and control an inherently exploitative system of economics.
Try reading it sometime. Try Kropotkin.
yeah but it helps formulating it yourself. only reading is not as good. you need to activate the neurons that do something, such as writing it down in your own words. every other way you only stay passive.
Good news, we’ve had that for almost 100 years:
Read Soviet Democracy(Pat Sloan, 1937) on ProleWiki https://share.google/A2wORPR6VfQAi4E5B
Never argue with someone whose job depends on not being convinced.
That’s a lot of someones,
given the related issue, best expressed by Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding.
Not the healthy kind of “not being convinced”, of curious open minds.
This was a joke, right? Good one
Yeah, it’s Trump, everything will be fine when he dies!
Trump could never have been elected without you hacks, your corruption made him possible. He could never be in any position of authority without decades of unbridled rot to pave the way… if he’s the monster, you’re the Dr. Frankenstein who created him.
Good job
Donald Trump is literally everything wrong with The United States of America distilled down to a person and squeezed into an ill fitting suit. All the self obsession, anti-intelectualism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, paedophilia, war mongering, greed, hate, and cruelty rolled into the ugliest person you’ll ever know. Did I miss anything?
You missed corrupt, self dealing
Technically you covered this, but the narcissism rolled up with many of those other things, speaks to abuse, trauma, and how he has always been in an environment where getting professional help was never an option. So now he’s everyone’s problem. Passing the buck on abused people is far too normal around here.
I’m not saying he’s due a redemption arc (burned FAR too many bridges by now). Rather he’s a symbol of mental health around the US too. He’s a shambling husk made up of pure psychological damage, making every day an exercise in inflicting uncountable numbers of people with more of the same. And all of it was preventable if there weren’t so many institutional and social failures to address it, at every step in their life.
Did I miss anything?
The other 100million Americans they concentrated to make him.
Unfortunately this problem doesn’t end with Trump.
Some, I assume, are good people.
Not to directly quote Donald Trump, but I have to assume that some are, actually, good people. In fact, I’d almost want to believe that the majority of them are…just misled, misinformed, and legitimately didn’t see Trump as any sort of a saint, but still somehow saw him as ‘better than Kamala’.
Whether that was implicit bias or their racism/patriarchy showing, or they had an actual reason based on what they believed to be facts they received…who knows…but I like to believe that the majority of them are the latter.
Maybe that’s just my New England suburban white-boy privilege showing.
I also think that the only people that are still driving around with giant Trump flags on their trucks (or especially bikes), are either paid to do so, or are legitimately pedophiles themselves. I’m sure a homeless guy with a bike isn’t too expensive if they are gonna be riding it around anyway.
Media can be pretty damn biased and the people who voted for him mostly watch Fox News AFAIK. Go watch those guys for a day and see how they portray Trump vs the democrats
It’s not “billionaire class”. It’s owning class.
It ain’t that they have a lot of money, it’s how they came to acquire that money as an effect of the system of ownership we currently live under incentivising rampant exploitative practices as the most efficient methods of personal enrichment.
Billionaires are just the best at being exploitative; they aren’t the only ones though.
Most billionaires get their money by exploiting loopholes in the government. For example, they pay no taxes, yet the government will still prosecute people who kill them.
yet the government will still prosecute people who kill them.
They actually spend money to keep anyone from even trying.
The owning class are the ones who control and dictate our government structure. Of course they are going to create avenues for advancement of their interests. The system was built by them, for them.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Upton Sinclair, 1934
It’s because Republicans and neoliberal democrats (the majority of them) take their marching orders from the billionaire class.
You can just say “Democrats”, no need for a qualifier.
No, there are many progressives and socialist leaning people in the Democratic party.
Not in leadership, where it matters.
Sure, there are lots of progressive voters, and even a few token reps. It doesn’t matter, window dressing for the defenstration.
Fair enough, of course the US government has literally never listened to the people which is statistically provable. What is worse is most nations are about the same.
Problem is Americans don’t turn over incumbents before the wealthy corrupt them or their peers assimilate them into the political class.
The only path forward for US to remain a functional democracy is to primary sitting democrats at a rate faster than they can be corrupted.
Really we need a system that doesn’t use popular vote to determine representation. Even with good safety rails it eventually turns into an oligarchy which has happened to every major democracy.
I would even argue that democracy itself is just a window dressing around the world for the ruling class.
We already know you’re an enlightened centrist dude. No need to elaborate.
Did your mom raise you to be a twat or is it just your decision?
You don’t know what “neoliberal” means. Lumping most Democrats in with Trump is painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality.
You don’t know what “painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality” means.
bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what “neoliberal” means, you ill-informed blowhard. It’s just a buzzword to people like you.
bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker
Grow the fuck up. If you can’t see the difference between the administrations of Biden and Trump, you’re an absolute fucking dumbass.
Look we have a both sider just in time for the next election. What a strange coincidence.
Oh yes, every two years, what an UNCANNY COINCIDENCE that an independent speaks six months before an election. You are truly the world’s greatest detective.
meanwhile, in reality, independents are 40% of the electorate. Ds and Rs are down to 30% each.
Perhaps you should listen to the independents, instead of insulting them? You need independents to win any election. You’re not doing yourself any favors.
This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?
This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?
Both parties aren’t losing voters, fucking dumbass. The same amount of Trump supporters shows up in 2024 as 2020.
Hey look, someone who thinks that independents can win and not just siphon off votes in our two party first past the post voting system.
our two party first past the post voting system.
What a ridiculous system.
Yeah it is, and it DOESN’T change by refusing to participate.
Oh it is totally ridiculous.
They said: Demz should win over independent voters
You heard: Vote 3rd party
Take a moment for yourself.
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Try reading between the lines and you will start to figure out people are not honest about what they say.
Looks like we have a genocide stanning, Blue MAGA party loyalist, just in time for the next election, what a strange coincidence.
If your referring to me you are about as wrong as you can be. I have no qualms calling out the US as the fascist nation it has always been.
I am also not afraid to call out Russia and China as fascist nations as well. I grow tired of campists from .ml as they are mostly just authoritarian apologists.
authoritarian apologists.
Authoritarianism is a useless term created by Liberals to obfuscate the differences between Socialism and Fascism.
Russia is a vaguely protofascist Oligarchy, that’s kind of true. They only deserve support in so far as their actions weaken imperial hegemony.
China is not at all fascist and it’s laughable that you suggest it is. Unless your definition of Fascism is “when the government says there are things I’m not allowed to do”…
Yup, found another authoritarian apologist. No surprise.
Tell me how China, that cranked out more billionaires than the US this and last year, is not practicing unfettered capitalism.
Tell me how supplying arms to war torn countries is not fascist. They are now the fourth largest producer of arms
Tell me how they are not an authoritarian oligarchy with a single ruling party where dissent is punished with prison.
Actually, don’t bother. I hate hearing from human rights abusers. Disgusting.
They want Democrats to keep loosing until their dumbass fantasy comes true.
Lazy “billionaire” criticism is so frustrating when we watch Republicans cut taxes for billionaires and take away healthcare coverage from 17 million Americans.
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“Here we go again, same old shit again.”
Jesus fuck. It can literally be both, especially with this fatted calf.
Also in terms of affordability of daily good and gas, it literally, majority because of Trump, the billionaire grifter, and his tariffs and his stupid thinking he’s Jesus and started a War with Iran and the Republicans refusing to rein him in and the Democrats voting with them.
Hey there’s lots of things you can say about Trump without going right to body-shaming.
I’d prefer “Gold-plated calf”. It demonstrates both his worthless shell and the chunk of lead underneath. Nothing of value there. Just something dense and toxic.
Not to mention the biblical reference to him and his base.
