I literally gave multiple resources links in my original comment.

Wikipedia articles and opinion pieces by political advocacy groups run by Neoliberal politicians and literal cops aren’t very strong evidence of anything. The one actual study you linked, like most others in its (usually church funded) genre, just proves something anyone could have told you: marginalizing a group of workers makes them more vulnerable to exploitation and less able to seek legal help when it happens. Any undocumented farm worker could tell you the same thing.

I mean, I didn’t decide that, that’s just kind of how it works.

Magical thinking bullshit. Sex is exactly as sacred as a one on one game of basketball, and almost every bit of the Patriarchy rests on the foundation of denying that basic truth.

Conversely, no train has ever been speeding in a schools zone, jumped a curb and killed a bunch of kids.

First we’d need about 75 million of my countrymen to care more about brown kids being blown to smithereens than they do about having brunch in peace, and know that’s an impossibility.

Nah, they’re right about this one and you’re wrong.

the oppression required to maintain their treatlerite life.

If you don’t feel the same way about fast food workers, convenience store clerks, and baristas, your problem isn’t with the exploitation, it’s with the sex.

Because thinking about it magically leads you to idiotic conclusions like “maybe the bronze age goat fuckers really did discover the ultimate truth of sexual morality, and it’s just coincidence that it just so happened to lay the foundation for millennia of Patriarchal bullshit”.

perpetuates the very systems that harm us under the guise of “sexual empowerment”.

No matter how you spin it as “empowerment” or anything else.

When you’re using the same “arguments” as an evangelical televangelist to rebut an argument no one is making, I suspect you’re probably not arguing in good faith.

You keep making claims, but you don’t bring any evidence. I suspect that’s because you know how utterly unscientific most of the “studies” that support your position are and how the only thing they really prove is that exploitation of labor is bad regardless of the kind of labor. But since you’re really dedicated to the “sex is special and magical” kind of bullshit magical thinking, I’m sure they seem very persuasive to you.

People who think metaphysically about sex are not ever going to see the logical inconsistencies in their world view. To them that actually is different, because to them sex is magic and not biochemistry.

Because I have dignity and self-respect.

Not of you’re publicly announcing that you’re so backwards-minded that you look down on sex workers, you don’t. Imagine being that gross of a person and proud of it.

How so?

What’s the difference between Halle Berry getting an extra million to take her top off in Swordfish and an Onlyfans girl, aside from the number of zeroes on the check?

It’s something young women/men should be aware of that they automatically exclude themselves from a huge part of the dating pool when they make a decision like that.

And nothing of value is lost. Who wants to date someone with weird moralistic hangups about sex, unless they share those hangups?

Please explain what those differences are without using any magical thinking that places sex into a sacred sphere of human activity that is holy and sacrosanct?

Or don’t. My point is you can tell how serious a person is when they start talking about the morality of sex by replacing every mention of sex in their point with “boxing”. It’s still a highly physical one-on-one activity that’s a crime of both participants haven’t consented, so if the exact same argument doesn’t make sense when made about boxing then they are thinking magically about sex and not materialistically.

Okay so you don’t actually know anyone who has aged out of sex work .

And obviously neither do you. But I do know men women and enbys still doing and enjoying sex work at the age you specifically picked as the age where they “can’t” do it anymore and their life will be over for having done sex work. Which was my point, and one you’ve utterly failed to engage with since you now know you were very wrong.

My “puritanical views”. Is this a joke?

No, it’s a quote, and I apparently misremembered it, since the original word was “moralistic” not “puritanical”.

To be clear: sex work is as bad as any other form of labor coerced by capitalism, it just isn’t worse than any other form of labor coerced by capitalism. Only the kind of magical thinking that says sex is some special sphere of human activity that should be considered sacred would ever tell you otherwise.

And the pimps, Epsteins, and human traffickers of the world benefit directly from moralistic views of sex. If we treated sex exactly the same as any other full contact sport, there would be far less danger for sex workers who report bad behavior from clients or employers, and there would be far less demand from creeps who want to buy children, because there is a definite correlation (even if no proven causal link) between heavily moralistic views of sex and CSA. This is why religious leaders so often wind up being child rapists.

Finally if you think there’s anything strawman or whataboutism in comparing sex work to any other form of work under capitalism, then you do not understand the point I’m making at all, which is that there is no moral difference between the sex worker and the coal miner in a capitalist society. In a socialist society there’s a discussion to be had about whether sex work is socially necessary labor, but there is no question it is labor.

Because most cultures have been heavily influenced by cultures descended from the bronze age sheep fuckers who came up with the idea of virginity as a way of ensuring paternity and maximizing the price they could charge for selling their preteen daughters to old men.

think you are really downplaying the risks here. I have friends who have done sex work.

As do I. Friends and family both. And I have never heard a sex worker say any of the things you ascribe to them.

Do sex work in your 20s instead of developing a career. Then when you are too old and 40 with no job prospects and no skills, and no one wants you. What then ?

I’m wondering if you actually know that many people in the industry. Bcs I’m middle aged, everyone I know who does SW is close to my age, so they’re all 35+, mostly over 40, and doing fine.

But if that weren’t the case, the same question can be asked of anyone doing manual labor, once your body breaks down (which happens a lot earlier for manual laborers), what do you do?

To borrow an old quote: If you think that the prostitute sells her body and the coal miner does not, your view of labor is clouded by your puritanical view of sex.

Opposing genocide doesn’t bring in that sweet, sweet donor money.

I’m for it.

Any form of advertising aside from maybe a press release to announce a new product/service, and also any form of commissioned sales.

Read more, watch fewer videos. Bonus: books cannot contain unskippable ads.