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Since we are not allowed to vote in US elections… Why should the rest of the world suffer the consequences of a bad pick?
Actually I’m sort of gratefull. My government is moving away from the US. And no company believes that data stays in Europe because it’s stores on eu servers… that fairy tale has finally been popped.
Sorry all my friends and family are locked up, overdosed, or they got shot.
The US government has never listened to the people. Whoever thinks they do is pretty stupid.
Brb, toppling the government by shooting up the white house. Should be easy, right?
It’s just that simple!!!
I wonder if people outside the US grasp the size and scale of America. You’re talking like 300 million people spread across massive geographical, cultural, political, and social scales. There is little that connects most Americans to their neighbors and the Epstein Class that runs things works 24/7 to degrade that and turn neighbor against neighbor. It’s a dysfunctional system where people are trapped by runaway capitalism with no escape.
Do not expect progress overnight.
You’d have to be quite the optimist to expect a positive change from the US at this point. The same points you cite works against any form of improvement to the point where it’s a borderline impossibility.
You should’ve taken Russia seriously instead of letting them slowly wear you down until they got exactly what they wanted. Dugin wrote a fucking book outlining exactly what they were planning yet nobody took it seriously. I’d even go as far as to say very few are taking it seriously to this day.
You should’ve taken care of your healthcare and educational institutions. The state of your school system is so bad I don’t even have words for it. It’ll take generations to rebuild it while the abomination that is your health insurance is systematically leeching whatever they can from people too uneducated to understand what is happening to them. I’m not judging people here either, this is a well planned system that needs to be thoroughly dismantled for people to have a chance.
You should’ve worked on the systematic racism that never truly went away. Instead it became the perfect vehicle for discord while simultaneously masking the class warfare that truly fucked everything up. It’s also feeding a prison industry that isn’t anything but the continuance of slavery.
You definitely should’ve made sure money wasn’t the deciding factor in politics and while you were at it you should’ve taxed those assholes that are destroying the planet right now. Instead they took over and now they’re running things almost exactly like they want to. What little resistance there is to their governance is divided and thrown against each other over and over again.
It’s a little late to change things in any sort of civilised way now, and we’re all going to suffer for it. The whole planet, not just your population. I feel truly sorry for all the decent people who were born too late to have a say in any of this. I know there’s a lot of good people with no good options just trying to survive. Hopefully I’m wrong and you can sort it out.
I think most reasonably educated people around the world are fully aware of all of this.
I mention the Epstein case in one of my comments just because I assume that the vast majority of the population despises pedophiles and wants to see them punished for their monsterous crimes - to me, this seems more like a unifying factor that could be used to bridge political divides. I mean, with Massie, there’s even among today’s conservatives someone who doesn’t bow to pressure from within his own ranks. So it really should be possible to agree with your neighbor that a regime so obviously entangled in these crimes must be overthrown.
But hey, this is just one starting point - there are many more, given all the rampant corruption, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in the U.S. itself.
I’m afraid that U.S. citizens will have to get used to posts like this one, because the actions of the U.S. regime unfortunately affect the entire world, which is why the propaganda narrative of the friendly superpower spreading freedom is increasingly being recognized for the farce it has always been.
And also don’t forget that half of us are sitting here as disgusted and outraged as the rest of the world, or moreso because it’s happening to our country. When I come on Lemmy and see people lobbing bricks at us it just makes me hate them. I guarantee the half of Americans who put us in this mess are not the half who are present on Lemmy. The last thing I need is to come in here and be their whipping boy for the emotional catharsis of smug Europeans.
When I come on Lemmy and see people lobbing bricks at us it just makes me hate them.
Strong words from someone who thinks 15 year olds are “superstars at giving birth”. You’re American alright.
But you feel the need to hate people who judge your country for being an ass-backwards shitshow that makes the rest of the planet worse off on a daily basis.
You are a sad little fuck following me from thread to thread. I’ll save my hate for others - you get pity.
Yeah you’re hating alright. You keep popping up and since I have you tagged as the “15 year olds are childbirth superstars guy” it’s a little hard to not take the opportunity to remind you 15 year olds shouldn’t be pregnant in the first place. Are you there yet or do you still think that’s “just the way nature intended it to be”?
Got to fix those birth rates, right?
Oh and the worst thing is that you got two accounts so you can agree with yourself about those 15 year olds. It’s a little disappointing really.
Personally I pity the teens you think should be giving birth.
Those bricks are a message, we need to use those bricks. Forward them to you local oligarch or congressperson. Build something out of it or else we just have a bunch of bricks weighing us down.
Oh that’s good. You’re arming me by throwing bricks at me. Uh huh. Real helpful.
The entire world is in the process of learning to hate you.
It’s not something anybody in any other place can fix, if you don’t throw those bricks in the right direction they will just keep getting heavier and pointer.
And yes, that’s a messed-up thing.
There is little that connects most Americans to their neighbors
Remember calling every Russian people ogres for invading Ukraine and Chinese people weak for not starting a revolution?
But when it comes down to actually doing anything meaningful to stop destroying the world:
“yOu cANt aScHuALlY gRaSP”
Hypocrites who can’t wait to bring others down due to their circumstances, by claiming supremacy over all things, but suddenly want to be held at a different standard where the most they do is, protest once a month.
I wonder if people inside the US will grasp the size and scale of the hypocrisy?
Remember calling every Russian people ogres for invading Ukraine and Chinese people weak for not starting a revolution?
no. i dont. strawman argument.
You’re right, we should have tried rolling over for the literal Nazis in less than a day like you effete, rich fucks in Western Europe. Pretty easy to say nothing short of a general strike is worth it when you live in the actual first world, have unions, and know that you won’t get evicted and start starving after one month. But please, keep the chorus of unhelpful advice coming from the countries that haven’t actually struggled against tyranny since they manned barricades with muskets. We’ll try surrendering even faster next time in your honor.
Edit: meanwhile some of us are out here actually risking arrest and detention in a concentration camp in the swamp trying to do the right thing.
I live and Western Europe, and ai have to wholeheartedly agree with you. I think a lot of people here are really naive, thinking toppling the US government is something you do on a normal tuesday or sth like that. I really feel with Americans who want change, but can’t do much because there are no social safety nets in the US.
Anyone who posts this nonsense on lemmy of all places has to be some kinda op lol
They can’t do that! They are the greatest democracy in the world, with means they are utterly powerless! Don’t you understand?
Well, I thought I’d give it another try, now that the Dow is below 50,000, a barrel of oil costs nearly $100 (will soon be even higher again), and even the “First Lady” is so openly turning against her husband by pointing out again that Epstein didn’t act alone and that no one has been held accountable for the monsterous misdeeds of the “cabal,” which the regime is trying to protect by any means necessary because various people from their own ranks as well as many of their most prominent supporters are so obviously involved in these horrible crimes.
I still have some hope left that U.S. citizens might reconsider and extend the general strike planned for May 1 indefinitely - namely, until the regime steps down and perhaps even some of the the long-overdue, far-reaching reforms are initiated that would be necessary to reduce the rampant corruption in the political and legal systems to a somewhat tolerable level - that seems to me to be the only civil way to break the power of the oligarchs who hold the country in a stranglehold.
You see, the most common argument I’ve heard so far as to why this isn’t happening is that U.S. citizens insist they can’t afford to risk their jobs. Perhaps the fact that the country is on the brink of a recession -which would cost many U.S. citizens their jobs anyway - will change that somewhat -or perhaps the fact that the cost of living is so high that their salaries no longer cover their basic needs.
We’ll see…
We won’t see shit. They haven’t drawn the line yet, after all their country is doing to the world; I don’t have any hopes they will draw it at all. People will keep suffering because of them, but that’s fine, because “there’s nothing they can do”.
I only hope we start seeing gas at double digits, because that’s the only thing that may change something, which says a lot about the kind of country they are.
He killed (minimum) 300,000 USAmericans by dismantling the pandemic response team, and then willfully rejecting all support in restructuring it during a pandemic. Because Obama built it. He was “allegedly” (at the time) implicated in a literal pedophile cabal. Then he was voted in again. Those voting for him have such insane cultural cognitive dissonance they’ll tell you “Well I’m hurting, but I’ll sacrifice whatever I need to for AMERICA” asking them “America’s what? What for America?” Doesn’t even make a dent in the cognitive dissonance, it’s so willful.
You’re thinking about the whole thing from the “myth of the rational consumer” perspective.
In the right wing mindset the leader IS the group IS the persons. They cognitively need those three ideas to align. That’s why their rhetoric uses monoliths for people - “The Blacks”, “I am Christian”, “Us vs THEM”. 30% of any given society are RightWing Authoritarian Personalities. Another 30% are likely passive at best. How the balance of power shifts is about how your society structures it’s discourse, politics, and community - and the narratives derived therein. Be careful, it can come for you too.
On the plus side, if the USA gets to vote again, it won’t literally be him.
Edit: Opposing him isn’t about just opposing a leader choice - it’s about opposing the people and the whole system that valued putting a bad-guy reality tv host in power because it made them feel powerful when having a black president made them feel weak and not the in-group.
You’re absolutely right about all of this, of course. The only thing I might add is that I suspect the apparent support for the disastrous policies - of which the “Orange One” is, of course, nothing more than a figurehead - could well be an illusion created by the fact that virtually all major media outlets are under the direct control of those responsible.
Control over the media allows the regime to distort public opinion, or what is perceived as such. Through their influence, they can make minority opinions appear as if they were majority opinions, which may not necessarily be the case.
Since, despite everything, I continue to believe - admittedly rather naively - in the good in people, I suspect that the vast majority of U.S. citizens do not agree with what the regime is doing. If this is the case, an emerging mass protest movement could make it clear that the majority of U.S. citizens are in fact in opposition to the regime and demand that it be held immediately accountable for its crimes (even before new elections or the hope for the Democrats, whom, in my judgment, one can only count on to a very limited extent).
It would be the ideal opportunity to finally do away with the system once and for all, of which the current regime is, in fact, merely the latest symptom.
I realize, of course, that this seems rather utopian, but I fear that there is no other way forward than through continuous mass civil disobedience if the situation is ever to change fundamentally.
The only thing that can stop the current administration is Trump’s death. I’m not even advocating for anything; it’s just a cold hard truth I’ve known since November 5, 2024. It doesn’t matter how the elections go this year, because if it ever becomes a problem for them, congress would be suspended with the support of the oligarchs. He is king, and there is no way to challenge a king except real power.
I’m also not saying that Trump’s death would be a quick fix, just a necessary step. The only advantage we have is that Vance is weak by design and would not be able to hold the coalition of oligarchs and fascist foot soldiers together on his own merits. However, if anybody to the left of a white cishet conservative liberal assassinated Trump, then the fascists would rally behind Vance until he enacted revenge and the Democrats would help them.
The only other thing that would create problems for them is if a broad coalition of people from leftists to liberals organized a serious insurgency against the government. They could undermine critical industries and governmental functions, slowing down the state’s tyranny in specific, tangible ways. However, the vast majority of liberals are ideologically opposed to non state violence and don’t accept that the country is that far gone. If there is insufficient support, the public will cheer on the fascists violently cracking down on the left because “don’t ya know, antifa just as bad as the Gestapo putting brown people in camps!” America is truly the home of the chained and land of cowardly 🙄
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don’t accept that the country is that far gone.
Not technically a liberal, but I think the country is that far gone and while I don’t have an issue with non-state violence from the left (assuming its actually effective) I don’t hold enough patriotism or feel any culpability for the current fascist admin to care to commit any myself. I expended a statistical anomaly of effort as an individual pre-November 5th to prevent Trump’s victory. Drove hours to a different state in my junker ass car just to canvass in a swing state.
I’m done. I’m not putting my balls on the table when no one else seemed to have gave much of shit before. Just because the consequences are falling on everyone’s stupid asses and now they all seem to care. Fuck em.
Toupee Tariff man is undeniably the worst, aside maybe Putin or Netanyahu… But there’s so many countries with far-right/fascist dictators or plants out there nobody seems to be mentioning right now. Good chunk of Europe too. Removal of him would help, but I don’t think its going to fix the overall issue.
But there is only one that has nukes and that seems dumb enough to belive, that there could be solved anything by nuking somebody. I mean not even north korea has that pure evil “I dont care about consequences”-vibes.
Russia, china, israel, and much of europe has nukes too…
Their leader is far younger, far healthier, and far far far better educated than pedo man
How many of those can tell a carrier group where to park?
Then can manipulate the orange twitler into moving his toys around pretty easily.
Unhelpfulness of the meme aside, always down for advice on how I can do more. I protest and volunteer when I can, I’m even trying to get involced in politics, but everytime I ask I get more good advice so might as well!
talk to your coworkers about forming a union. think of the time you spend in mutual aid projects not as being volunteer work, but instead as being your real purpose driven work. understand that the terror america enacts abroad is the terror enacted domestically. the main reason we struggle to garner coalition support is that the right believes lies about us and the nascent left that would join us is outright fearful of the consequences. in this current environment, being in possession of documents clearly outlining the terror we live under is considered terrorism and a jailable offense. if you want people to not be scared to act you have to demonstrate to them that they are not alone and that you are on their side and that you’re willing to help them.
this is a marathon not a sprint. also don’t be afraid to ask the people you meet along the way for help
It isn’t going to happen. Too many very special episodes on Netflix.
You can afford Netflix??
I hope the joke is that Netflix is just shit quality and therefore has no special episodes. Otherwise, you just seem like a privileged asshole who discounts the ongoing, generational resistance against US imperialism within the metropole.
We would if we could.
I love how this blames a group of people for inaction while also itself being another form of inaction.
Embargo the shit out of us, stop buying our gas and oil, pirate our movies and software.
We want them out of power too, but most of us are so vulnerable to job loss, home loss, healthcare loss and food instability that there isn’t much we can do until we are properly organized across 50 states, 100 million people spread across 3.12million square miles (8,081,000 million square km). That’s the scale of the situation.
Also we know national politics aren’t democratic. The senate is intentionally disproportionate representation, but the house isn’t really any better, because the minimum is 1 representatives per state, even when one of the states has 1.5% of the population of another. So Wyoming has 1 rep per 500,000 people, while California has 1 rep per 750,000 people. And in the senate it’s roughly one senator for 250,000 in WY and 1 for 19,000,000 in CA. That means people in densely populated cities (who tend to be higher educated left leaning voters) are way under represented.
Do you seriously believe that most people outside the U.S. aren’t aware that the U.S. is, by virtue of its Constitution alone, merely a sham democracy? That they don’t know the U.S. has actually been an oligarchy for a long time? Or do you really believe that ordinary people in other countries aren’t boycotting U.S. products and urging their governments to do the same? And the most important question: Do you seriously believe that any other country of the world would or could come to America’s rescue?
If you think all the countries of the world can’t do anything, what do you expect your average Joe in America to be able to do? What are you, and your country, specifically doing?
You’ll find the answers to most of your questions in this thread.
So nothing, got it. How lazy.
If you say so…
I do say so.
Fuck that.
Amerikans are complicit entirely, making excuses and pushing the blame on others while doing the exact same thing you did last week while being defensive is how we got here. Take action. Get involved, burn something down, manipulate your taxes, pirate your subscriptions, resist in any way you can.
Oh but be sure to publicize it so people don’t judge you badly on the Internet for thinking no one is doing anything
Not going to happen. Have you seen how they’ve admired and lionised Musk?
If a man that literally saluted Hitler at the US president’s inauguration is casually handed billions then something is very wrong with that country.
Ah yes, because everyone in America thinks the same. Just like in the UK, right?
Explain how you took what I said to mean “everyone in America”. Go on. I’ll wait 😜.
Your wait is over: when you make a sweeping generalization about “them,” recognizing none of the diversity among “them” it is only logical to conclude that you mean them all. You can say more to clarify if you want but don’t act all smug about how you nEVeR SaId aLl!
So basically you made an assumption without evidence. Understood.
Still waiting…
Well, now that I know you don’t mean at all the very things you say, and will try to weasel out of them by being a smug twat, I don’t know what there is left to say. Enjoy your wait for more attention.
👍
Oh joy, I get to explain reading comprehension and courtesy to a Brit, this should be fun.
Let’s dissect your comment:
Not going to happen. Have you seen how they’ve admired and lionised Musk?
Now English is a language full of beautiful flaws and nuance, so when someone uses “they”, it generally implies the totality of the group the writer is referring to. Sometimes this can be implying only some of a demographic, but, more often than not, implies the whole. This is where we dig deeper for what you may remember as “context clues”. These are things we can read to see what the author’s intentions were.
If a man that literally saluted Hitler at the US president’s inauguration is casually handed billions then something is very wrong with that country.
This, while being a very true statement on it’s own, must be coupled with the previous statement. This sentence concludes with “something is very wrong with that country.” So, using that context clue, we can conclude that the first sentence means “All Americans” when you wrote “they”, not just “some Americans”.
But there is a third clue to your intention as well! It’s what you just wrote in the previous comment.
Explain how you took what I said to mean “everyone in America”. Go on. I’ll wait 😜.
That cheeky remark cements your true intention. If someone did manage to write what you wrote without painting with a wide brush, they would have apologized or at the very least, explained themselves. Putting that onto the reader while trying to flick their nose shows your underlying distain, while hidden shame at being called out. Someone acting properly would not act in such a way.
It must be liberating to not be burdened with any of the positive stereotypes of politeness and propriety of your country and culture, so thank you for letting me indulge at being better than you at them.
My friend…
Sometimes this can be implying only some of a demographic, but, more often than not, implies the whole.
You quite openly acknowledge that there’s an ambiguity in the worlds but only want to see the side that promotes your confirmation bias. Ok then 👍.
So, using that context clue, we can conclude that the first sentence means “All Americans” when you wrote “they”, not just “some Americans”.
Not sure how you’ve jumped to that conclusion. It means “most Americans” at best. Not all. Most. That is after all how your election system works. Most of the people in the US that took part in the 2024 election voted on favour of this mad orange git. The last time I checked most doesn’t mean all. Unless that’s something else you’ve bastardised from the language 😂?
The fact remains you’ve jumped to conclusions. It’s cool. No harm done. Now do us all a favour and actually stand up and vote those loonies out of your government. That’d do nicely, lad 👍.
You know exactly how you came off, don’t try to shift the blame on me for your poor wording choices, if that’s even what you meant, which I doubt.
Way to assume I haven’t been trying to vote the loonies out, I’ve been doing that and more.
And also take that “that’d do nicely lad” and shove it, that’s condescending and we both know it.
The post was referring to US citizens in general, you said they admired and lionized Musk but it’s only a small minority of white supremacist fascists that are making these decisions, and they don’t even like Musk really but just use him for his money. Most average citizens don’t pay attention to what is happening and when they do they generally oppose the nazis. Even my conservative Christian grandma has been calling Trump and his supporters nazis since 2016.
it’s only a small minority of white supremacist fascists
It’s not only a small minority when the rest sit back and do nothing.
I’m sorry no one’s been reporting any resistance or protest to you in your country
I campaign for violence against billionaires and people in the current administration but get raked over the coals. How else do you expect we stop them?
As I mentioned in my comment above: A general strike that continues until the government resigns seems to me to be the only peaceful solution. I cannot judge whether this is realistic, as I am not a U.S. citizen.
Viewed from the outside, however, it seems to me that this is only remotely realistic if the living conditions of ordinary Americans deteriorate to the point where they rise up. I have no doubt that the living conditions of American citizens will continue to deteriorate. But whether and when this will lead to sustained mass protests or even a sustained general strike, I cannot say.
Most people can’t afford a general strike either. We ourselves are having our liberties surpressed. The only ones able to lash out against the oligarchy are those who have already lost everything to the machine, and even then some of them end up too broken to be able to do something meaningful. Luigi is a rare case where action actually resulted in change and it spoke to the majority of the country who is tired of being abused like indentured servants.
In this case, I am convinced that the U.S. will become a full-blown autocracy like today’s Russia sooner rather than later.
The regime has already laid the groundwork for this, and if it decides to do away with even the pretense of democracy - which I consider more likely with each passing day - resistance will effectively mean that those who have the courage to resist will vanish without a trace.
That’s how it was in my home country back when the Nazis took over Germany. Here, too, people were convinced that things would somehow work out on their own- what actually happened is written in the history books.
The saving grace is the same as the Nazis. They are not working together twords a common goal but using eachother to get to individual goals. The dark enlightenment crowd wants full on collapse. No more Russia or USA they want technofeudalistic city states. Trump wants money and his name on stuff before he dies. Miller wants to be Goebbels. Don Jr wants to fix bets and do lines. JD wants to be president. A bunch of these idiots want the literal rapture.
I agree with most of this, though I do think the U.S. will still become a full-blown autocracy soon, since there’s hardly any resistance.
For the techno-fascists, the need to transform larger cooperatives - such as the EU - into smaller, less influential entities exists only where they expect resistance; that is precisely what they do to weaken resistance by splitting more powerful large units into smaller, less influential parts.
This does not seem necessary for the US, since the country has effectively been a de facto oligarchy for decades. However, I now think that the oligarchs have realized they no longer need to pretend that the US is a democracy. After all, it is much easier for the actual rulers if they can simply make their opponents disappear, as their counterparts in Russia do.
I think you’ll be suprised how fast it all unravels once we start to hit tipping points. Natural disaster for instance is not a part of any of this dickheads plans. Nor are they planning for the famine this war will cause indirectly. This whole plot was thought up by the spoiled grandchildren of real spooks. A single hurricane hitting oil refineries in the gulf or a bond sell off would be catastrophic for these plans made in a vacuum
Thanks, Reagan.
I’m an astronomer, a strike at my workplace would have little impact on the countries economy.
Yeah, to some extent that’s what is going to happen. For a some of us the question isn’t “if” but how long will we have to endure.
Change would seem to entail violence no matter how it was went about. We can’t strike without losing our jobs, therefore our homes and healthcare, people don’t have the financial means to strike indefinitely so they would have to occupy buildings and break other laws to keep it going, the police would be directed to break up occupations and assemblies with force resulting in death and injuries.
We have had mass protests and public occupations from time to time for decades now that have been met with police repression, murders and abductions from the government and reactionaries, and they resulted in little progress as far as reduction of the fascist violence from our government and military. The history of this resistance might have brought the public’s awareness and discontent to a point where a more radical change in the system could be possible though.
