A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
Violence isn’t the answer to trolling.
I hope this girl gets better influences that can show her right from wrong and how to be the bigger person. Her reaction would not fly in the real world.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
We have fists for a reason. And in this case, I believe it’s justified.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
She got expelled for doing something stupid at 13. Are they the same?
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
What about 14? Is it ok then?
Only once she hit him.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
Hopefully you don’t get picked by Deonte Wilder. Kinda a death sentence for anyone that
isn’t trainedisn’t able to defend themselves.When I worked on the help desk I used to suggest to my boss that we should get one free “go off on a caller” per month and that it would do wonders for morale. He did not agree with me.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
‘How I met your mother’'s SLAP Bet was amazing.
I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
Ours is a society of ignorance and cowardice. From a perspective of objective neutrality, in a state of nature, the ethically correct response is killing the aggressor.
By doing so for tens of thousands of years, humanity weened itself of the vestigial psychopathy that had dominated our species, until a civilization could actually thrive. Ironically now, civilization protects those same monsters and infests our institutions with them, since we have lost all perspective on defending ourselves from the existential threat they pose to all life on earth.
i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
“See kids? This is why you shouldn’t smoke pot.”
Serious question, why are those who hit a bully get punished instead? No wonder there is rise of authoritarianism because the bully are practically worshipped and given a pass. Bullying is embedded in the culture.
I was lucky to be out of school before the zero tolerance shit got fully entrenched. Punching the people who were fucking with me was the only thing that ever got it to stop.
The only thing she did wrong was not kick his dick completely off his body
Let me get this straight… some jackass made deepfake porn of a 13 year old and SHE gets expelled for giving him a well deserved smack?
I hope that asshole gets to be on a sex offender list at least.
a well deserved smack?
Your parents should have raised you better.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
I’m a parent. I would back up my daughter on this one if it happened to her. That is certainly my decision to make and it matters more than you think.
Make it a teachable moment: “Don’t get caught next time”
Yikes. I hope your daughter learns from your mistakes so she doesn’t end up trying to solve her problems with violence when she’s an adult.
You should be teaching her to be the bigger person and how to walk away. I genuinely pity her for having a parent like you.
Edit for the downvoters (again): You would all make horrible parents and will never know the satisfaction of saying you’re proud of your child for being the bigger person and making the mature decision.
You’d better hope your kids don’t end up picking fights they can’t win, because that happens all the time and it isn’t pretty.
P.S. It’s really funny watching you children go through all of my posts and downvote them. I’m glad I don’t have any of you as a parent!
Motherfucker, you know what happens if you walk away from an abuser? They abuse you further. Read the fucking article. Violence wasn’t her first response. It was her last resort. Some need to be dealt with violence, since it’s the only language that they understand.
I see you replying with the same bullshit on over this post. I wonder why you feel so comfortable defending a piece of shit pervert.
You are too far gone and this will be my last reply to you.
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Goodbye, ‘motherfucker.’
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Can you read? If yes, read the article. She did try other things. Nothing worked. It’s easier to say wise-sounding shit when you make up your own facts, I guess.
I hope you step on a lego and develop a skin disease.
Kys
It’s sad that you feel vindicated in saying such things simply because the group is on your side.
Think for yourself. If you can.
We get it, you’re morally superior to anyone who has ever been willing to physically fight for something, don’t break your arms jerking yourself off up there on your high horse.
Lol. I get it. Your and my dad had morals but didn’t do a lot with them. So we had to show up and be the actual Christian to the friends and family while Dad is away at work. When you get older you realize what was missing was balance and a recognition that there is a season and time for everything - including violence.
You don’t get anything, no matter how much you convince yourself that you do.
Why are tech companies being allowed to create child pornography?
What service was used for this and who is paying them to exist?
I hope her parents have the good sense to financially crucify the school district. “No tolerance” policies are bullshit and favor the offender.
Indeed. I always tell my kids don’t punch first. Punch last.
I would consider making deep fake porn of someone (a minor, especially) and publishing it to be punching first.
A big part of the problem is also that schools see physical violence separate from emotional violence. That is…they don’t see emotional violence. They handwave it as “just bullying”. The bully gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist (if that) until they strike physically.
And, the school exists in a bubble. If bullying happens outside of school/the bus (say, online), their hands are tied.
Then one day the bullied kid snaps and schools acts like it was completely unprovoked.
So, technically speaking, shouldn’t that kid who was hit be arrested for producing child porn? The girl was 13, so the image is of a child, and the image was lude/lacivious.
Wow…gotta love a future where you fuck around and the victim gets to find out instead of the offender
That’s always been the case.
Same as it ever was.
This was literally the plot of this week’s south park.
At the very least, it’s revenge porn: https://www.legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=78391
The victim is under 17. The idiot kid is seriously flirting with being registered as a sex offender.
A child absolutely should not be put on that list for this. This should result in punishment but we don’t need to be punishing children for their entire lives for doing things they are literally incapable of comprehending the full ramifications of.
I mean the same argument could be used if he raped her as well. What’s the difference if he’s too young to ‘comprehend the ramifications of’ his actions?
Except those images are gonna live on the Internet forever. The damage has been done permanently to her, why shouldn’t he suffer permanent damage too?
Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Well, he was charged with 10 crimes, she was charged with nothing, so I wouldn’t conclude that she ultimately got the worst of it.
The expulsion was almost certainly unfair (though details on why expulsion over much more typical punishments for this sort of thing in a middle school are completely absent, which I find strange), but it can be a lot more easily ‘undone’ than the criminal charges.
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
Even a boy hitting a boy/girl who had been bullying them for months would be punished harsher than the one tormenting them.
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Yeah, you can tell how clear he makes it by his overall statement being completely ungendered, the moment he’s not talking about this boy specifically:
Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do.
How exactly is the above sentence favoring boys over girls in any way? I also don’t see him criticizing his daughter for the actions she took, either.
I think you just want there to be misogyny, to confirm your biases.
Especially not if there are zero consequences.
That father is either a far far better person than I am, or an idiot. I’d be fucking furious.
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Getting angry over images of mythical skydaddy means you have mental issues.
Getting angry at a boy who made fake nude images of your daughter is 100% justifiable
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
School administration is a joke
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
Sorry for the wall of text. I tried to tldr it and failed.
proper tldr is hospitalized my bully. Mom invited a detective to the meeting, who threatened to arrest the vice principal for aiding and abetting assault of a minor.
I got pretty much that too happen in middle school. Beat the shit out of a bully who was punching one of my friends repeatedly in the head. Like kicked him in the testes then started stomping on his hands with steel toed boots and broke his bones so bad he had to move to another town for rehab, beat him badly.
My mom found a detective who’s kid was also getting bullied to show at up the meeting. VP was the disciplinarian in our school. We headed into the room with him, with the principal already sitting at the end of table. He didnt say an word that entire meeting.
My mom tried to open the meeting up while we were getting settled, by asking what the school was going to do to prevent students from having to take ‘drastic measures of self defense.’ VP immediately stood back up and started yelling about how it was HIS meeting and it was my actions in question. The detective, who was still standing, calmly unbuttoned his jacket, revealing his gun and badge, and calmly told the VP to sit the fuck down.
He started interrogating the VP about student reports of violence, when hed been informed, what hed done about it, etc. Then he told the VP that either he was leaving that room with steps already in place to ensure there would be no more violence, or he was going to arrest the VP for aiding and abetting in multiple assaults and abuse of a minor. He also threatened that arresting him for that would have the VP’s sons in sleeping in DSS custody that night.
Shortly after that I was sent back to class, but not before he cautioned the VP in front of me that any attempts to punish me for the fight would be seen as retaliation for reporting his actions, and making good sure I knew to call him (the detective) if that happened.
Like i said, the main bully was out of school, but his 2 friends were called in to the office shortly after that and expelled for the year. Then an announcement for a school wide assembly on bullying. Which was a pretty funny assembly. They both claimed they were implementing a 0 tolerance policy (which how we broke that is a story for another day) but also (clearly demanded by the detective) litrerally read out the states laws on self defense, stressed that students had an absolute right to defend themselves from violence which no adult could take away.
A police officer was there, who ended up becoming the high school’s student resource officer, who then told students that if reports of harassment or violence were falling on deaf ears of the faculty, to please report that to the local PD who most definitely would pay attention.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Absolutely, but all I’m saying is you can probably lose an assault case and still win a completely different lawsuit at the same time, one of the lawyers will end up paying for the other.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
When I was a kid
things are very different in very different locations. Don’t over-generalize like that.
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
The AI nuance makes this make more sense… the law has yet to catch up.
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not of her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
Americans seem to be too comfortable defending perverts.
They can’t expel me, I’ll hit him.
If it was a realistic-looking image of a nude 13 year old, isn’t it child porn?
Sounds like the school and the sheriff’s office only started to investigate once the family got lawyers.
Technically speaking there is no such thing as child porn - it’s abuse material i.e. evidence of a crime. However, there has been no crime when the content is AI generated so it would be categorized as simulated abuse material.
Child porn as a term shouldn’t really be used at all. It downplays what said content actually is. It’s similar to calling female genital mutilation a “female circumcison”.
Child porn as a term shouldn’t really be used at all.
This is, linguistically, an unwinnable fight, imo. People understand what “porn” is(/is meant to be), and ‘child’ is just a descriptor. People are never naturally going to start saying “abuse material” instead of “porn” in instances like these.
We can’t even get people to consistently say STI instead of STD after all this time. You’ve got to pick your battles, lol.
Us federal law explicitly uses and defines the term “child pornography” in 18 us 2251-2256.
From justic.gov:
Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor.
So no on all accounts. Child pornography is an actually legal term, and ai generation does not get around it if it depicts a real, existant person.
or male genital mutilation a “circumcision”
This is a false comparison. Circumcision has actual medical uses (e.g. phymosis, cancer, balanitis). FGM does not.
let’s go ahead and remove feet at birth too, might develop gout.
…not everyone gets circumcised at birth. I got circumcised in my 30s due to phymosis. No one undergoes FMG at any age for any medical reason. Conflating the two is deeply unhelpful to both the stigma around medical circumcision and to protect people from the brutality of FMG. Not every country is America.
*FGM
fair, but most circumsized men were mutilated at birth for no medical reasons
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