• NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.

    Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    6 hours ago

    “United” States stands divided. It just gets worse…and at an incredible speed. It’s always quicker and easier to demolish as opposed to building. Every one wants the easy money and the quick buck without a balanced expenditure of energy.

  • Godric@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    Funnily enough, there’s actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.

  • buzz86us@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    1 day ago

    lol i’m considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego… if California can nix the chicken tax then i’m moving.

  • MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 day ago

    Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.

      • caboose2006@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        Gain nothing? They pay more in federal taxes than they recieve. They’d probably be better off

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          And they would have to turn around and spend it on their own military because they would lose the military that all 50 states funded together. I never used to be believe in the threat of eastern aggression, but it becomes more and more obvious every day that they can never see the USA bleed. And that’s in the assumption the hyper-aggressive Trump admin does nothing about a secession.

          Plus, they’ve already got more than enough justification to withhold federal income taxes and tariffs, the sitting president is violating the constitution and wasn’t even eligible to run in the first place.

          Instead of carving ourselves up and removing blue seats from congress we could be uniting against Trump.

          • caboose2006@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 day ago

            They have a military. It’s called the national guard. But yeah the question of secession was settled back in the 1860s.

            Short of a massive and sustained general strike or a violent revolution nothing is changing in this country dem or republican. Even the democrats are right wing.

            • TORFdot0@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 day ago

              The national guard is mobilized to address state emergencies and support the military abroad. Any state’s national guard is woefully inadequate to defend against foreign threats

              • ubergeek@lemmy.today
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                23 hours ago

                A ton of Iraqi freedom was done by NoGo units…

                They were running all convoys, for example.

                That said, when you cut out the imperialism, and focus on defense, we’d only need like 10% of the current budget, nationally, anyways.

      • all4theTomatoes@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        As much as I hate Newsom and the democrats, secession from a lunatic presidency that is ready to tank the global market for the interest of the rich elite would be a big step forward for Americans. Trump wants big government. He wants the entire country to adhere to the right wing populists and ultra rich. Yea no I’d say the Californians gain a fuck ton from leaving all that.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          What Trump is doing is illegal, there is plenty of justification for California to simply respond by doing equally illegal things like denying the feds and withholding taxes.

          Removing Cali congressmen is the opposite of opposing his admin.

  • CircaV@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?

    • ssillyssadass@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      33
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go “you can’t secede, that’s completely illegal and unconstitutional” (it is), at which point the state would either go “oh well” and stand down or say “go suck eggs” and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.

    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      24 hours ago

      Legally, a state can’t secede really, but the other states could agree to let it go. It would require a Constitutional Convention, which would require 2/3 of states to agree to let it go.

    • BussyCat@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      18 hours ago

      You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible

    • dhork@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 day ago

      There is no process. States cannot just up and say “see ya” on their own, we fought a war over that.

      If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?

      IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it’s basically impossible.

    • bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      41
      ·
      24 hours ago

      The best way would be quiet quitting. Making routes to federal buildings surrounded by construction and road closures at odd times. Overlapping federal job descriptions internally and never communicating with federal equivalents unless required, and that with a “great email, still working on that!” Or “emailed Oregon about that and they had some great ideas, get with them for the data!”

      Offering great state guard contracts to all military eligible to re-up, that exceed what the feds offer. Build out coastal protection fleet due to “them darn migrants.” Train your military in FPV as if you were what the US should be doing right now, so the feds know any pushback will be costly, and you’re not breaking any laws anyway, remember?

      Tell your state and local police we don’t work with the FBI or IRS in cooperation any more, and let the populace know the feds must individually enforce all tax law. That’s where it’s good for the Feds to remember that’s not required, and the 4th amendment prevents them being forced to act… in fact, that makes them subject to arrest for trying due to the laws of the great state of california.

      All legal, and petty. But legal.

  • samuelazers@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    31
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.

      • rational_lib@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        1 day ago

        People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn’t point at Trump, he’s keeping the stack of people from falling over.

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          Smoothbrain criminals. “America has been hit by…struck by a smoothbrain criminal!”

          [Chorus]

          America, are you okay? (I don’t know)

          Will you tell us that you’re okay? (I don’t know)

          There’s a felon at the window (I don’t know)

          Then Trump struck you, a crescendo America? (I don’t know)

          Trump came onto your apartment (I don’t know)

          Left white stains on the carpet (I don’t know why, baby)

          And then she ran into the bedroom (Help me)

          She were struck down

          It was your doom America (Dag gone it)

      • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        21
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here’s the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.

          • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            Cheers, fella! I’m AI1, me!

            [1. AI: a two-letter abbreviation which commonly refers to Artificial Intelligence but which can also, although far less often, refer to Abject Imbecile.]

  • SirFasy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    82
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    All hail The New California Republic. But in all seriousness, it wouldn’t surprise me if the United States has a balkanization event happen in the near future.

    • RabbitInTheWoodPile@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      I don’t get why Oregon and Washington haven’t jumped on that bandwagon. Imagine the entire west coast working together. All Western seaports.

    • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      The US does not need balkanization.

      We have a single region that has been rebellious and trying to corrupt and destroy the rest of the union since the founding, because they cannot see any governmental or religious structure as legitimate unless it is founded on the principles of racism. This is their own words.

      Lincoln was wrong to readmit the south, we should have let Sherman finish then build a wall around them, while letting any slaves who wanted to escape do so.

      Either that or we need to restart reconstruction today with absolute brutality.

      Before they committed treason against the US alone, this time they allied with Russia to bring us down.

      • CMonster@discuss.online
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        I dont think the lines are the same anymore. Social media and 24/7 news has given people in plenty of northern regions the same viewpoints. A civil war would not be north vs. south. it would be neighbor vs neighbor

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          I always hear this.

          I am brown and grew up in the Midwest.

          Then my family moved to the south.

          This is like comparing Canadians who care about hockey with the Khmer Rouge exterminating much of their population.

          The south is just infinitely worse in literally every way.

          • braxy29@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 day ago

            there are a lot of nice people in the south. there are a lot of brown people in the south. you think everyone needs to suffer brutality for what the worst do?

              • braxy29@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 day ago

                we can attack and punish each other as the few would like or work together. that requires us to acknowledge common humanity and rally together for our shared well-being.

                • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  22 hours ago

                  You’re asking us to nourish monsters who have only ever shown brutal violent hate.

                  Go find a wild tiger and try to win them over with kindness and nurturing, see how well that works.

                  I’m sure a lot of people thought they could win the nazis over with kindness. Sure a lot of slaves hoped letting the rapes happen would somehow make them stop.

                  Some people just have darkness in their hearts, and society must be protected from them for everyone’s sake.

            • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              1 day ago

              In the Midwest there are bad people too.

              The difference?

              In the Midwest when a racist is being a racist, people say shit, they stand up to them!

              In the south the bystanders just laugh, at worst they laugh nervously.

              Which is why it’s a vile and corrupt society.

              Police yourself, or don’t be surprised to be judged as evil.

              • braxy29@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 day ago

                there are bad and good people everywhere. i do not endorse painting millions as deserving suffering; there’s plenty of that already.

                ordinary americans can find their way out of this mess together or tear each other apart. which do you imagine suits those in power?

                you are no longer here. stop trying to sow further hatred and division. i don’t want my children, my friends, my colleagues, my clients to suffer because they live on the wrong side of an arbitrary line.

                • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  23 hours ago

                  I’m sure there were a lot of poor Germans who didn’t deserve what they got.

                  But it doesn’t matter, that’s how it goes, if you can’t stop your neighbors from doing evil you suffer for that evil.

                  A table with 4 people where one is a nazi is a table with 4 nazis.

                  Your people are still trying to hurt everyone, and you’re not stopping them.

                  I fully expect to put a lot of effort to hurt your people in the near future in self-defense, because their history of monstrous evil and cruelty speaks for itself.

                  I’m no longer there because I had to escape the south, and I thank God every day that I could.

                  Then the filth chased me to the coasts and I had to escape to Europe.

                  I can’t escape earth. This far, no farther.

                • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  23 hours ago

                  BTW… The fact that you make it clear you don’t want to be caught up in this makes one thing ckear:

                  You know they are evil and violent, and you are terrified to face them because of this.

                  This is what neutral Germans must have felt as they watched jews get rounded up in camps.

                  You don’t understand that dealing with the monsters yourself is actually the better choice for everyone.

                • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  14 hours ago

                  I agree.

                  But that’s vastly better.

                  The deep, DEEP seated racial hatred of the south is a terrifying thing and is something that has lasted literal centuries, they switched parties over that.

                  The Midwest at least has some hope.

      • samuelazers@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        Reminds me of east and west germany, even still today, one side is poorer than the other, which fostered new radicalism.

        And also where i live, Quebec, poorer rural regions control the elections.

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          Exactly, the difference is in east Germany after the war they mostly dealt with the nazis.

          In the south they gave them a timeout for 10 years then let them take power again.

          • Noobnarski@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            Lol no they didn’t deal with the nazis in East Germany. They were pretty quickly persecuted if they came out, but as long as they stayed quiet and clamied they wanted socialism, nothing happened to them.

            And then after the fall of the east block, all of the nazis in eastern Germany no longer had to be quiet and there were also many nazis from the west who helped spread it even further while there was a power vacuum and nothing was done against it.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        28
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        We have a single region that has been rebellious and trying to corrupt and destroy the rest of the union since the founding

        Isn’t a ton of the current Trump administration rot coming from Silicon Valley?

        Isn’t Silicon Valley in California?

        Lincoln was wrong to readmit the south

        The South was under the Reconstruction plan, complete with Marshall Law and Freedman’s Bureaus and all sorts of additional federal oversight, untilThe Compromise of 1877 gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency at the cost of his soul.

        Lincoln didn’t simply readmit the South. He readmitted 9 million enslaved Americans as proper first class citizens. And the initial wave of democratization gave birth to a brief but generally optimistic egalitarian glimpse of a potential future.

        Lincoln’s big mistake was not putting Smedly Butler into his VP seat. Letting the country revert to Andrew Johnson was the big blunder. One that Grant had to spend two terms mopping up.

        But that’s all distant history. The modern fascist presidency is born out of Manhattan Island. The modern Texas/Florida/Ohio Axis of Evil is a product of Yale Business School. Stanford Alumni are fucking us up far more today than some Daughters of the Confederacy could have dreamed.

        This isn’t a North/South problem. It’s a turf war between extractive industry and the professional class.

        • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          Yeah, because if there’s two things we know silicon valley loves it’s the core issues of the Trump administrafion:

          1. Immigration restrictions

          2. Tariffs

          He was voted in purely about the south, who are not only fascists to the core (if what they consider to be Christo-fascists).

          The thing is: their religion, the southern Baptist church, was founded because they wanted a religion whose core dogma was that slavery was a commandment from God. Hence their basing the Sbc around the curse of Ham justifying slavery. The nazis themselves based the Nuremberg Laws off Jim crow, only without the 1 drop rule.

          This is 100% the south, the restriction of women’s rights, the anti-lgbt, racism, isolation ism.

          They’ve been sold that Russia is their best ally because it is the last True (read: white) Christian Nation fighting against the atheist and Muslim hordes who have infested Europe.

          Silicon valley doesn’t want any of this bullshit, they just want less regulation. This has been a nightmare for them, Europe is starting their own competitors and regulating the cloud providers.

          Silicon valley is smart, this whole thing has the backwards inbred balls-over-brains energy of the south.

          Show me one Manhattan anyone who thinks those tariffs are a good idea.

          Super popular in the south though, finally those rich northerners will have to pay them to do the work, instead of buying stuff from the dirty Mexicans.

  • The_Caretaker@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    72
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    2 days ago

    While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 day ago

      The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can’t see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn’t even offering anything real in exchange.

    • Filthmontane@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 day ago

      California produces 10% of American agricultural needs. If they secede it would be way worse on the economy than these tariffs.

      • The_Caretaker@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        I think if California were to secede, Oregon and Washington probably would too. A lot of blue states that border Canada would also probably Jump ship. New York and Michigan might secede too. Those 5 states make up almost 30% of America’s economy and are the center of very lucrative industries like the movie industry, automotive industry, electronics and software industries, the global financial industry. Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          16 hours ago

          Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.

          well no, the US would still be 60-70% of the total US economy without them lmao.

          • The_Caretaker@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            16 hours ago

            An economy that exports what? Let’s take Florida as an example. It produces a lot of fruit but the USA still imports most of it’s fruit from Latin America. Florida’s fruit feeds people, of course, but it doesn’t make money for the nation as a whole because it gets eaten domestically. What fruit from Florida gets exported is nothing compared to what the USA imports. Compare that to a state like Michigan which produces cars, that get exported and sold domestically. Which state’s products make America more relevant on the world stage? Disney is probably the most important thing in Florida for the rest of the world. Movies, TV shows, video games, and theme parks are all eaten up by a global audience and DeSantis treats Disney like shit because they are too “woke” I’m not saying the USA wouldn’t exist without the 5 states I mentioned, I’m saying no one would care.

      • Ckjazz@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        I’m genuinely curious on how realistic this is… I can’t imagine it’s a simple process, but like what would need to happen for California to become it’s own country?

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          23 hours ago

          To do so legally, Constitutional Convention. 2/3 of states would have to agree to let it go. And everyone would have to hammer out what happens to federal assets inside the state.

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          At the moment, California is taking signatures for studying a “CALexit” plan. It is about 500,000 signatures by July for a successful petition. After that, California starts to study the costs, opportunities, logistics, and other aspects of leaving the union.

        • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          There is basically zero chance they successfully secede. There is however a slightly above zero chance they seriously try.

          California trying to secede would be stupid enough to make Trump look like a top mensa candidate.

    • scala@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Texas couldn’t secede, probably because it’s a red state…how amazing would it be if California became it’s own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it’s own. Do it Cali!

    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      And it’s the same for the European union. European states can’t get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read “Italy is ready to talk with trump” is just sucking dick

  • Lit@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    But the tariffs are paid by American. It is tax on Americans. Why would foreign country care too much other than the price of their goods are a little higher for americans.

    People will have to still buy essential products anyway or suffer clogged drains or sit on the floor without chairs or eat with hands without utensils.

    In fact, I raised prices on my digital goods a while back due to trump threats of tariffs on Canada Mexico. i raised prices only on US platforms for my digital products. People are still buying.

    • theherk@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 day ago

      They care because their economies rely on people buying the products. The reasons why tariffs hurt both sides is because the movement of products decays. That’s the whole idea, so that the products’ supply source changes.

      • Auli@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Cool but Americans should cool down their consumerism anyways.They consume the vast majority of stuff which is why everyone wants into the market.

        • theherk@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          I actually agree, and therefore think tariffs can be, if thoughtful and executed well, good for a country’s self-reliance and defense (cake). What it generally can’t be is good for the economy (eating it too).

    • derfunkatron@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      There are a lot of complicated reasons why high tariff are a global problem in a global economy, but simply put:

      1. High tariffs raise prices
      2. High prices reduce sales
      3. Fewer sales reduces profit

      Reduced profit for a single company or industry isn’t usually detrimental to a national or global economy. But when an entire country’s economy is hit with reduced profits across every industry, then it creates a problem.

      So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 day ago

        So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.

        And the only people who win are the billionaires that get to swoop in and buy everything up at bargain basement prices.

      • Lit@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        I am not affected by tariffs, but I am going to further raise the prices of my digital goods on US platforms anyway. Because i noticed people buy anyway when i raised prices earlier this year.

        my impact is extremely tiny, but if everyone does it, especially for essential products sold to US. This might help a nation as a whole compensate for loss of revenue in other industries affected by tariffs.

        Most people in US will think the higher prices for everything are due to tariffs.

        Edit : Note that my prices on platform based outside of US are kept much lower, Americans do buy from there. It is only on US site that I raise prices.

        • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          Eh, what do you sell and on which platform? I’d like to avoid you, firstly, and secondly, knowing that will give me an idea of what to tell you to expect.

          I’m buying less these days. Going on less vacations. Picking up fewer wants, and limiting my purchases to needs. Reducing the amount of money I spend. I am seeing it as more money is going into savings now than when Biden was POTUS. Gonna need to do that because everything’s about to get more expensive. I need to get used to doing more with less, because otherwise, I’m going to take it right in the chin. As will many of my American counterparts.

          You might escape scott free. Or you might not. Your country likely is tariffing everything from the USA, and the USA is likely tariffing you as well. You might find fewer people buy your stuff because not ONLY has the US tariffed money out of your buyers, you’re exploiting them as well, meaning they get double hit. While it’s your right to set your price to what you want, don’t be surprised if your sales take a hit. Also, it’s a very douchebag move to take advantages of your customers…just like what the Shitgibbon would do, so I do hope your customers look elsewhere for their sales. Too bad we as Americans don’t have that luxury to avoid tariffs.

          • Lit@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            Even if I sell less it doesn’t matter, the higher prices makes up for it. I don’t need to sell much at higher price. People buy my stuff usually to save time, they are trying to meet project deadlines. As long as it is cheaper to buy instead of building it themselves which might take days, weeks they are still saving time and money.

            Note that I raise prices on US platform only. My prices on site based in Europe (Lithuania) is much lower (American can buy from there if they bother to search, I do see US customers IPs on my sale stats), If you really want to talk about greed and douchebag-ness it is the US platforms that are super greedy they are taking more than 60% from each of my sales. While the Europe platform only take 30%. So I could care less if I lose sale on the US sites, I prefer if my customer buy from europe site instead.

            It seems countries getting hit by tariffs don’t tariff US goods as high as trump is claiming, https://www.threads.net/@aaliamauro/post/DICFOusPqD1

            US doesn’t even export enough goods to some of those countries to hit tariff triggers. So most item remain tariff free. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/fact-check-trump-tariffs-trade/index.html

            The tariffs broken down by internet level domain makes no sense, It looks very unscientific and lazy.

            • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              13 hours ago

              I see you avoided answering my question, so it’s a lot harder to give you hard facts, but let’s look at a hypothetical purchase in Lithuania.

              First, you don’t seem to understand how tariffs work. We don’t pay tariffs on exports. We pay it on imports. Let’s say you sell a widget from your page for $10. To get it into the USA, I’d have to pay you $10, and Uncle Sam $2. Doesn’t matter how much you sell or don’t sell. The shitgibbon has demanded his 20%, and so if I were to buy something from you, I’d have to give $0.20 for every $1.00 I give you.

              But that’s just the start of the hurt. European Union countries are likely to tariff us back. So if you order your raw materials from the USA, your own country is gonna be standing there with its hand out. That 4.56 EUR you were going to pay a US company also has a 0.91 EUR extra charge added to it by your country. So you raise from $10.00 to $11.00 to make up that extra 0.91 EUR…which then means I have to pay $2.20 to the Shitgibbon, pushing my price up to $13.20 US, JUST so you can still make your profit target.

              Some countries are mulling export taxes as well. Ontario, for example, is putting a 25% export tariff on electricity shipped to the northern US. If Lithuania decides that widgets need a 20% export tariff, now, suddenly, your 10.04 EUR item now has Lithuania holding its hand out looking for 2.00 EUR. You’re not gonna want to eat that, so your price needs to increase so you get the same profit as before. Let’s say…13 EUR to make up the tariff margin (you end up giving 2.60 EUR to Lithuania, and are still giving 5.47 EUR to your supplier, leaving you with 4.93 left over), and now I’m paying $14.21 plus $2.84, for a total of 17.05. And this is all before you start talking about charging me even more.

              Digital products may currently escape this, so if you’re offering software or PDFs or NFTs or whatnot, you might indeed be not worried about the immediate nonsense going down.

              I have no problem with you if you’re raising your prices on platforms that take a bigger cut of your sales. I’d suggest you shop around for better platforms, and nothing says you have to use US platforms. I’d support you on an EU platform if that meant I paid less and you got paid more. It just seemed you were saying you were going to target Americans more just 'cause. We didn’t all vote for the Shitgibbon over here.

              As for your last three paragraphs? Yeah. “Preaching to the Choir” is what I’d tell you on that. Yes, the tariffs are stupid. And Trump is golfing while the economy burns.

              • Lit@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                10 hours ago

                You only asked a 2 part single question to find out which platform to avoid, you obviously know it would not be answered. I need you to pay the higher prices, not avoid the platform. Since you want to **avoid **the platform I **avoid **telling you, we both avoid so it is fair.

                Your explanation shows that you finally understand tariffs.

                Yes it is all about **upsizing **the impact on US and reducing impact elsewhere. Voting for tariffs clearly shows that majority of US citizen and government loves to pay more tax for foreign and local goods.

                You are right digital product/services escaped this for now, this means they might be affected in the future so based on your good advice I would have to raise prices for US so as to build up the buffer to weather the potential tariffs on digital goods/services.

                To help the non-US people, penguins and seals, I give discount vouchers to non US customers to help them further reduce cost outside US.

                I don’t need to shop around, I have mentioned my products are on other platforms.

                I would still put my product on that US platform and others, for the advertisement and to pull non-us customer away from them to a better deals elsewhere but some users are willing to pay the higher prices so let them pay. willing buyer willing seller. it is not going to bankrupt anyone don’t worry. Note, I am also raising rates for US clients for digital services too not just products. Need to build the buffer.

  • Wispy2891@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    2 days ago

    Trump has got another great idea. A tax of 1.5 million dollars for each ship made in China that will dock at any American port, or 1 million if the ship is not made in china but the shipper fleet has a majority of Chinese ships.

    So, off before they did like California, Panama, Louisiana, new York, those stops will increase the price of shipping by 4.5 million dollars.

    Trump thinks that in this way, in a couple weeks, shipyards will reopen in the states and everyone will buy American ships. Because it takes a couple days to build an oil tanker

    Result:

    They’ll just unload the goods in Canada or Mexico then use trains/trucks. For oil and coal and wheat and other stuff that can’t be easily transported by land without ax existing infrastructure, that’s an additional 20% cost on top of tariffs. Inflation go go go

    • Lanske@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 day ago

      Yeah Trump wants the US to be a great shipbuilder again… but for that you need materials (steel), workers who want to do that sort of job( he’s deporting a lot of people) and skill to manufacture ships…

      He thinks by taxing countries or companies, they will go to the US, but they won’t, and if they do it takes time and a lot of investment…

  • Rene@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.

  • deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    This is based on a quote “look at new opportunities to expand trade” and a tweet “California is here and ready to talk.” How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek’s title sound?

    Newsweek is a gossip rag.

    • Sprawl@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.