What’s that?

Like, we do need to address it but how do we minimize the resistance that comes from the defensiveness of “dont call me bigot?”

I mean, I have no idea but anyone will get defensive over something this simple then they can frankly take a hike. Movements can (and in fact are more likely to) succeed without selling their souls to the centrist devil.

We all need to learn that past mistakes are only a permanent mark if we do nothing to change them

Yes, but the first step of the process of rectifying past mistakes is for someone to point out those mistakes. Someone who rejects criticism of their past mistakes outright is nothing more than a liability.

I mean, there’s no one right answer, and other people probably have better ideas for radicalizing moderate movements, but there are wrong answers and shutting down internal criticism as “divisive” or whatever the centrist thought terminating cliche of the day is is definitely one of them, and on that front this thread is not a good indication. If I had to say something it’d be “maintain minimum standards and don’t compromise with centrists,” but that’s not really the point I’m making here. People need to be confronted with their biases and pushed to be better if they’re going to, you know, be better (which is necessary because feckless moderate liberals don’t overthrow fascists).

I’ve talked to them in person? I’ve seen them countless times before this, and many of them have been organizing before Trump was president.

I was referring to the leadership of organizations like Indivisible that are actually planning the protests, since those are the ones who set strategy.

If that’s not a concrete positive outcome, I don’t know what is.

You know what, fair enough. I still believe the pace is catastrophically slow, but I guess No Kings is more useful than I thought.

There. Are. More. Important. Things. Than. The. Epstein. Files. Fucking hell, I swear some of y’all will have a gun to your head and say “nice distraction from the Epstein files.”

but giving millions of people booklets, cards, zines, and papers that direct them to their local ICE rapid response networks, get them canvassing for leftist politicians in their area, and giving them hope that lets them keep doing those things in the future

Do you have evidence that these is the organizers ’ intentions? I keep seeing this point made, but really if the point is radicalization and encouraging action they’re failing miserably. I mean hell, it’s been a year and only like two or three notable acts of resistance happened (no, No Kings protests don’t count); when are we supposed to actually see this bear fruit? This argument made sense in April, maybe even in July, but January 2026 with project 2025 half done? At this point something is not going according to plan, and frankly I’m far more inclined to believe that No Kings is acting as a do-nothing release valve than that it’s a successful method of radicalizing attendees.

No part of what you said addresses my point, so I’ll repeat myself: Resistance movements have to worry about being coopted from the inside almost as much as they do about being crushed from the outside. Introspection and self-awareness are crucial if this movement is going to survive. Internal conflict is often rightly cited as a danger to any movement, but it’s also a survival mechanism that shouldn’t be shut down out of hand.

Thanks Biden!

If you don’t address the inaction, you won’t beat the system. “We can address all the systemic issues in our movement after our movement succeeds” has borne out in history approximately 0 times. More often either the movement fails entirely or it’s coopted by its most conservative elements who turn it into something completely different.

My impression is that they’ve been purging people from past administrations, not their own appointees. If that’s off the mark I’ll have to rethink my position, but so far the purges can be explained by how they likely want high-ranking bureaucrats and military officers to be solidly in their camp.

I disagree on the MAGA part. MAGA is currently preparing for a coup, so they need ideologically compliant sycophants at the top levels of power. That’s not paranoia; it’s a pragmatic and effective strategy.

Yeah that’s the point of the title, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.”

Thanks for stating the obvious?

Somalia is committing fewer Holocausts than 1945 Germany, so yeah.

K.

They work for the same boss, that’s what’s going on.

Relevant.

You can guess how much love I have for US allies.

I love the smell of leopards eating faces in the morning.

I have to constantly remind myself that this is what people in this country voted for

*What they accepted. There are a lot of ways to help fascists that don’t involve voting for them and aren’t mutually exclusive with voting against them. Fascism takes a lot more work on both sides of the aisle than just winning an election, and I for one am not letting the DNC apologists off the hook.

But Israel insists it’s been built without the necessary permits.

No mention of how it’s almost impossible to get the necessary permits. This article doesn’t even have a pro-Israel slant so it’s just weird how this piece of information isn’t included.