jobs on the job sites, some sketchy ones do use the bait and switch methods, the indeed forums were such a treasure trove of info on various industries, until indeed shuttered it.
Hot take: The euphemsism “flipping burgers” is so dismissive of the physical and emotional labor of working at a fast-food place that anybody using it unironically needs a punch on the nose.
its used as insult, as to someone with no “career” or thier degree is uanble to find a job for whatever reason. its considered a degrading as being homeless and begging. usually come from people in arrogant positions, “oh i have this “Trade” job which is niche to my demographic(skin color), look you mr money bags spending all that money and no job, how pathetic”, thats how they respond.
Corpos: “We’re pushing AI, which is going to put a bunch of people out of work.”
Also corpos: “Why aren’t people having kids? We need people to do jobs.”
My workplace had become super toxic and I’m desperate for another job, but the market is abysmal. I’m hoping for a miracle, because I want out of my current job asap
I’m much the same.
I can’t leave my geographic area for very good reasons, and I will in IT support. I’m experienced enough to be a “senior” support tech. But the average going rate in my area for my job is about 60k/yr. That sounds great until I tell you that I’m in Canada and that’s Canadian dollars, which is about 43k/yr USD.
The state of the market here is embarrassing and I can’t find jobs hiring for remote workers, or anything local enough that I could feasibly commute, that pays enough for it to be worth it to even apply.
If I do find a posting that’s close it’s a 1.5hr commute away and pays about the same as my current work from home gig… Despite the toxicity, why would I take a job I need to spend an additional 3+ hours in a car to do the same work, with potentially the same toxicity, for the same pay?
I fucking hate everything.
i was going to say, 60k is pretty low for it, its usually around 100k in the us on average. but i suspect its mostly HCOL areas that are paying that much. i know colleges and universities around me pay around the same as your CANadian job, like 45k starting.
Housing is absurd here, and IT is already saturated and now they are inviting the H1B workers here to virtue signal.
What a clown show
im not surprised programming and IT has been marketed to india for a long time, as they see as the most stable job out there. Indians do go for grad schools(ms, MD) but those are usually a different set, usually more well off class of indians.
In in the same boat as you, right down to the industry. Except I’m in the US and I’m only experienced enough to be a level 2 tech.
I have a friend tracking down a hybrid position lead at his company, but the commute for the in person days would be 1.5 hrs at least one way. He’s going to be seeing what the pay is and how many days I’d need to be in the office so I know if it’d be worth it. I don’t want to waste my time and the time of his coworkers if the pay and schedule wouldn’t be right.
seems like alot of tech and biotech have commutes equally around 1.5hrs on average 1 way with public transportation. alot of them seemed to based outside of major cities.
Considering I’ve been doing this stuff for over a decade and have met less than a handful of people with the same technical expertise as I have, and I haven’t met anyone that’s more skilled… I’m pretty sure I should be making at least 6 figures… Nobody will pay that much for what I do.
I’m not trying to brag or anything. It’s just that I keep ending up in the position of having to educate everyone around me on how things actually work, and how to fix them. I spend more time in the bowels of Windows operating systems that the registry makes sense to me.
flipping burgers is often used an insult for college grads that cant find a job in thier field, due to gatekeeping in that field too.
I heard my dad parrot every single one of those. Each one a perfect hit to enrage him and make him angry, each one contradicting the past, and all together show how it was always about wanting cheap labor.
It was all about forcing someone else to do it, to the point of enslaving citizens in a for profit prison that doubles as a forced job center. Whether is micky D’s or the plantation that sources the produce they all force prisoners into labor camps. America has really aced concentration camps and applying it to everyone who is poor (not the elite billionaires)
Ditto, definitely had relatives literally saying the 2008 point for me after graduation.
The phrasing for the 2008 frame isn’t right. Should be “Are you too good to flip burgers?” Or “Is flipping burgers not good enough for you?”
Or “you went to college? You’re overqualified for flipping burgers”
I’ve heard that enough times. I only have some community college under my belt and have been deferred from jobs.
Just apply again and leave that part out
Then they won’t be educated enough for that same job
2021 seems off too since it’s in the middle of COVID. I can’t think of a better quote though.
I think it’s accurate for late-2021
People used the pandemic to up-skill, or otherwise find a better job, so when things started re-opening in 2021, most retail and service industry places had a very hard time filling roles
Story time
In 2019, just before the pandemic, a friend of mine worked at a gas station for years as the assistant manager. He loved it. Some responsibility without having all the responsibility. Lots of overtime, enough money to live off in a LCOL area. He was making something like $14.75 an hour. The store manager bumped him up to $15.75/hour, since he was doing the work of two people, showed up on time and sober, and was generally a much better employee than a gas station has any right to have
After he had already gotten his raise, corporate went back to his manager and said no (a decision by the current head of the company). Corporate rolled back the pay increase. According to them, he was already the highest paid assistant manager in the chain (~20 stores in the midwest). They wouldn’t approve the pay increase, even though employee pay is generally at the discretion of the store manager
He started looking for a new job the next day. COVID happened shortly after that and upended the job market. He got a job as the equivalent to an assistant manager at a warehouse making $27.00/hour, with much better hours (generally 8:30-5:00), and better benefits. The gas station had to hire 2 assistant managers to replace him. They also started at $16.00, even more than the raise that corporate had rolled back
This is a problem that trickled out of some other vocations. The general consensus in my line of work for the better part of 15 years has been if you want a raise find a new job. It’s been really weird that places don’t want to keep institutional knowledge or are apparently willing to pay more for fresh faces.
It’s just another form of pinching pennies so hard the dollars slip through
Penny wise and pound foolish describes most of late stage capitalism
I’m feeling the well-deserved smug on behalf of that guy. I once quit a job that refused to pay me overtime after a year of working for them as the sole employee/manager of the shop. It took two employees and both owners being there full-time to replace me and they still went out of business. I didn’t even do anything special when I worked there, just had genuine interactions with the customers so they came back, and made them feel confident in and happy with their purchases. Guess they couldn’t do that.
a job that refused to pay me overtime after a year of working for them as the sole employee/manager of the shop.
Wow, like they would force you to work just under the limit to qualify for overtime, or wouldn’t pay overtime owed? Because that’s straight up wage theft!
I notice businesses that try to be “savvy” by taking shortcuts and skirting labor laws tend to collapse themselves once they run out of employees that are way too good for them and won’t put up with it anymore.
Glad you escaped.
The original agreement was that I’d get at least 40 hrs/wk instead of 20 (bc they’d hire another employee to avoid paying overtime) and then after a year I could get overtime. I genuinely loved that job and all the customers thought I was the owner. They just refused to come back after I quit so the shop failed. I got my regular wage for anything over 40 hrs, just no overtime, so it was still better than salary ig.
God, that warms my heart
Right? It’s one of my favorite anecdotes to bring out whenever talking about out-of-touch boomers
It works on a few topics too. Valuing your employees, the cost of turnover, and how “unskilled” labor is mostly a myth. I didn’t really mention it in the original comment, but the reason they had to hire 2 people to replace him was because there was so much to learn
The gas station had an attached car wash. My friend was able to run and fix any issues in either the store or the car wash. Being able to fix a fountain machine, ice machine, register issues, etc. are relatively easy on their own, but stack them up and it becomes quite a bit of training for a new assistant manager to learn on top of normal management duties like operating the safe, reviewing cameras, doing the books, etc.
The car wash was at least as much work since it constantly broke down. Have to basically become a mechanic to keep it running. You also have to learn a lot of risk management. Plenty of dumb people ignore the signs saying to turn your car in neutral, or they accidentally put it in reverse and back into the very expensive door that closed behind them
Hence they had to hire two different people
It was never about freedom or prosperity. It was always about rich people’s pockets and it will be until the last one suffocates on CO2 while clutching their pennies.
I misread that as “clutching their penises”. I was like, “Alright, don’t make me like them right as they’re dying.”
don’t die giving a billionaire a handy
edit: wait, one billionaire, clutching their (gender neutral) penises. i might like this billionaire too
The rich won’t suffocate in their climate-controlled mansions
Not with that attitude, they won’t.
don’t let your dreams be dreams!
All of these have been true at every point.
It depends on where you are in your life’s journey, which one you hear.
Vagrancy banned. Workhouse reinstituted.
Buying some woodland in the Scottish highlands live alone under the trees? Also banned.
Let’s see Your fucking AI flip burgers.
Seems relatively easy? You don’t even need a full ass robot, just a robot arm with sensors. No one gives a shit about fast food quality anyway.
Heck, this happened before the AI boom
Is that robot about to flip a burger cheese-side down?
But that arm and its maintenance costs more than a minimum wage
And it can’t rapidly switch tasks and make adjustments on the fly. Or stock it’s one grill or…
True, but its not far off. I ran the math on minimum wage, the machine costs $2000 a month for maintance, whereas full time at minimum wage is 1200 a month. If the employee makes more than $12/h the machine would cost less for maintance. That is ignoring the upfront cost of $20,000-$30,000, but the nature of fast food with its low employee retention and high burnout rate means the upfront costs would likely be worthwhile for companies like mcdonalds. Not having to go through the hiring process would save a fair bit of money id imagine, though i have no clue how much.
Its also worth noting that these machines are way more expensive than they need to be, because they are kept artificially high because the payoff for buying one is so large. Companies REALLY want automation, and theyre willing to pay top dollar to get it because it means they dont need slaves anymore. Same with the maintance, there is about a zero percent chance it legitimately costs the maintance company anywhere in the astronomical ballpark of $2000 a month to maintain the machines.
This is shortsighted of them. Fast food service is not that simple. There’s a lot to manage. The understanding of workers as “burger flippers” is a gross misconception of human nature.
We can also factor in the machine can work 24/7, even if its just 1 customer at 330am. In any case, McDs near me starts at $14 or 15.
Test stores will pop up in a year or 2 I imagine.
Do you even need a robot arm for that? Just have the gridle be on both sides of the burgers (and have like a locking mechanism or something. Kinda like a waffle machine) and then just attach a motor to it that periodically rotates it. Then a timer for when it’s done
But how do you put the cheese on top a minute before it’s done?
“flipping burgers” is a colloquialism for fast food work. It involves a lot more than rotating patties on a grill.
its also a euphamism, and insult for people who had a degree who hasnt found a job in thier field too.
McDonald’s doesn’t even flip burgers. They use a two sided grill with a timer.
i am eager to see the new laser cooked burgers. whenever they invent them
Lasers in a McDonald’s: the new frontier in OSHA violations
Wendy’s does it like that, and Burger King has a little conveyor belt and the patty gets blasted with fire as it goes through.
That sounds like a more reasonable automation than a robot arm.
Which is kinda funny since I think that’s kinda how Hamburg steaks were often cooked historically. The grill was used for hamburgers once it became more common since the actual oven grill thing was too expensive or complex.
There already are robots for flipping burgers. If you prepare the burgers for them and place them on GBE grill and then assemble the burger.
2029-30 How many burger flipping robots do you want…
2031 How come no one is buying burgers from my fully automated burger joint?
I didn’t understand last image so I tried look for article, then found this one : https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/despite-progress-child-labour-still-affects-138-million-children-globally-ilo-unicef
The last image is likely referring to this. Contracting prisoners out to private companies is a common practice all across the US, but particularly in Alabama and other former chattel slave economies. Southern slave plantations continued operating during reconstruction by using prison labor. The reason we have the largest per capita prison population in the world is because slavery never truly ended, it just adapted.
Guess they should have chose option 3 joined the Military. Serve 20 years get a pay check and medical for life.
Bonus, you join army, army breaks you, tries to sweep it away but eventually your children get survivor benefits.
and fun fact, Some veterans can get free mental asylum and cremation. (My mom tells us when she’s over the hill, hand her to the va, they’ll stick her in a ward till she dies and then cremate her so we don’t have to worry) (My dads running plan is to work till he dies at his desk, then the army will bury him for free too)
If you wanted to eat, why didn’t you just sign up to murder brown kids. Service guarantees citizenship.
No discrimination in the murdering kind sir!
*some exceptions apply (sorry, Afghan translators, we did you so dirty in so many ways)
They even want their boots to be free labour.
Military Retirement checks and VA are getting paid. I did miss checks while active though during 1st shut down
This meme hits like a laser guided munition.
AI powered automation:
Slave labor is not cheap enough.
