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Weird, guy who breaks laws with impunity doesn’t care about laws.
When Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon said “I’m a firm believer that President Trump will run and win again in 2028,” last week, it should have been a surprise, but wasn’t. “We’re working on it. … We’ll see what the definition of term limit is,”the dishevelled Bannon told NewsNation. It wasn’t the first time he had mentioned it either. The president’s adviser, who went to prison for refusing to testify before a congressional committee about the 6 January insurrection, suggested it in December. Then, he argued that Trump could circumvent the 22nd amendment, which codifies the two-term limit, because the word “consecutive” is not in the text of the document.
Trump has been making his feelings clear too. Shortly after his election victory last November, the president told congressional Republicans: “I suspect I won’t be running again unless you say, ‘He’s so good we’ve got to figure something else out’.”
Then, in January, during the annual House Republican retreat in Florida, he joked with speaker Mike Johnson: “Am I allowed to run again, Mike?” In February, he asked supporters at the White House: “Should I run again? You tell me.” Offhand musings about a third term in office sound less like bluster and more like a blueprint.
If we’re sharing articles can we make the effort to add a couple relevant paragraphs under the headline? Otherwise the discussion ends up being about the headline and often innaccurate.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice
You’d think that the absence of the word “consecutive” and the phrase “no… more than twice” would mean quite clearly that it’s two terms period, not one, plus two consecutive terms.
Unless, of course, these fuckheads are arguing that consecutive terms count as one.
Fuck.
If consecutives terms would count as one then Obama could run again.
No, no. You see, you have to serve one term, skip one, and then serve two.
Or, just be republican.
Ill try to do that but… People should also read the article before before impulse commenting.
As someone who’se shared hundreds of articles on reddit then lemmy.
Good luck getting more than 1% to read the article. People want headlines, scrollable information bits that they can instinctively react on.
That’s why paragraphs under are useful. Makes people atleast read those before commenting a gut reaction to an oversimplified headline.
Obama would kick his ass
If I understand correctly, the magoffs like Bannon want to craft it to exclude Obama (and Bill Clinton and W) but include donvict.
For me not for thee…
There is a dictatorship happening to the south. Professors are leaving Yale University for the University of Toronto. For God’s sake, get out and vote in Canada in our upcoming election. Danielle Smith is blatantly snuggling up with MAGA. And PP keeps changing his ideologies with the political wind. Save our sovereignty.
Why? Because no matter how much the unhinged right, many “centrists”, and some of the leftists and a lot of the corporate media mocked those among the Democrats that said democracy is at risk…it is.
Yes, but if Trump refuses to leave office then he will need some serious guards. My understanding of the Constitution is that he becomes a domestic threat at that point and “fighting him” is technically legal … and required by anyone that took an oath to defend the Constitution.
Technically he’s barred from office per the 14th amendment.
Technically is great until it’s ignored.
The people who wrote the 14th amendmend fucked up. They did not specify how the disqualification clause is supposed to be invoked.
I mean, how are we suppose to invoke that?
States? If so, red states could just ban democrats by abusing the disqualification clause.
Conviction in courts? Well, trump never got convicted for treason/sedition. States convictionss of fraud isn’t disqualifying.
Simple Majority in congress? Well, again, a unified congress can just use it to disqualify the other party.
Supermajority? Well, that would never happen.
Supreme court? Well… look at the composition of the court
So… yea… somebody fucked up.
Blame the authors of the 14th amendment.
It is impossible to write an eternal constitution. Believing that is the biggest flaw of the American mindset.
——- Thomas Jefferson, 1931
I’m pretty sure the Founders were under the impression that we’d rewrite the Constitution periodically when we discovered loopholes or other new problems they didn’t foresee.
You mean like how every other country handles their constitution? That’s crazy talk.
You mean like all the amendments?
I do not, nor did they.
A whole lotta idiots think that our Constitution was divinely inspired by the character of Jesus from their storybooks and that it should never be changed. Of course, many of these very same idiots think this is a xtian nation.
Ideally the courts would rule on it and it would be up to congress with a supermajority to reverse it.
To be clear, a court did rule that he committed treason and was barred from running. SCOTUS did not say they were wrong, they only stated that they (the fucking courts) did not have the power to APPLY THE CONSTITUTION.
So yeah. It would be up to the courts to apply the constitution and SCOTUS would have the final word. I’m not sure why it would be any different from any other ammendment.
As dispicable as the court is, I agree with their decision.
If a Colorado court can decide to remove a candidate, then all the republicans need to do is get a majority in the courts of swing states and they would forever have the presidency.
Ideally, it should be completely overhauled SCOTUS with something like 15 seats, and every year, a seat expires, on staggered terms, with each justice serving 15 years.
Since a president can only serve a maximum of 8 years*, they could at most have 8 of 15 justices. Something as serious as disqualifying a candidate for federal office should require 2/3 of the SCOTUS’s total membership, so at least 10 of the 15 seats on SCOTUS.
A president serving 4 years could at best fill 4 of 15 seats, so even a corrupt president still leaves 11/15 uncorrupted judges.
Also congress has to approve the judges (ideally both houses, by simple majority)
And for intra-term vacancies, they should be filled by 2/3 supermajority, but if bipartisanship is impossible, they’ll just have to wait out the seat to expire.
Maybe I should design the political system. 🤔 I’ve been doing a lot of worldbuilding stuff for a novel I want to write.
If a Colorado court can decide to remove a candidate, then all the republicans need to do is get a majority in the courts of swing states and they would forever have the presidency.
It should be up SCOTUS to validate or invalidate Colorado’s findings. It would never be Colorado as the final word. That’s how the courts already work. Lower courts rule and higher courts can take further action if needed.
I’m all for SCOTUS reform though.
ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed for senate! Hmm, I think we’re gonna need you a new name, bud.
“I’m sure THIS will be the time he faces consequences for blatantly regarding both law and custom! Institutional inertia will protect us now for sure!” say a bunch of ignorant shitlibs for the 1,293,762nd time.
He’s already a domestic threat, he doesn’t care about the Constitution or laws
The constitution means whatever the guy with the biggest guns says it means.
I first took that oath 20 years ago. If orange idiot refuses to leave, I will be exercising my constitutional legal actions.
25 years ago here. I guess we get to see if youth and zeal can beat experience and underhanded tactics :)
“A Riot is the Language of the Unheard”
-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Never took an oath, but I’d stand beside you.
Don’t all Americans take that oath every day in school?
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God, I wish that kid didn’t miss.
So do I, but this problem is much bigger than one man. He could not do what he’s doing without support from many rich donors and his party (which in turn relies on the support of the 30% of the country that reliably votes for them). Trump and many of his voters may be idiots but most of those other people are not, at least not in the intellectual sense of the word. They are making a calculated choice to enable fascism because they think it’s better for them personally than democracy. That belief and it’s associated threat to our country isn’t going away when Trump dies. In fact, it might get much worse if they can find someone who can advance that agenda without being a bumbling fool most of the time.
Thankfully the French created a device that is perfect for solving such issues, we just require the societal will to do so.
Hitler survived 30+ attempts, just sayin’… 🤷♂️
People who run this simulation really be giving the villains plot armor 😭
I’m told we really shouldn’t wish death on anybody… so I really wish he had gotten a bullet in his brain and been a vegetable hooked up to life support machines for many, many years.
I don’t support the death penalty because those individuals are no threat to society, many of them are innocent, and the government shouldn’t have that kind of power when it’s unnecessary.
None of that applies. Also, I don’t wish him dead. I just want him gone. The method of his removal is just a secondary concern.
I want him utterly embarrassed with no chance of being martyred, booted out in shame and even the most fanatic republican would turn him down a crust of bread. But for now a accept beer and whiskey/whisky.
This! If Trump leaves office in anything but shame and universal disapprobation, a new Trump with a different name but the same tactics will emerge. Americans need to learn the lesson for this madness to end.
I wanna see them end up broke and in some crackhouse living pathetically with a team of SS agents standing guard just to make sure they don’t become martyrs (or defect to russia), and people just walk by their shitty houses and yells curse words at them, the entire social media shit on them for fucking up the economy, and they just live out their old miserable life in shame with 90% of the country hating them.
That’s the only way to end maga, forever.
I would love to see him pile into a spaceship with Musk to Mars. They can rule Mars.
Lol, evil people are famous for being able to work together 🤣
We can throw them on an island that’s perfectly habitable, and they’d starve themselves because they never worked a day in their life.
I won’t shred a tear, its a natural causes… 🤷♂️
He still would have been elected in that case, and all the project 2025 executive orders would be identical.
If Trump was elected in the 80s, he wouldn’t be alive long enough to change the name plate of the oval office desk. We’re living through such a wild time in history.
I don’t think they’re going to let a little thing like the laws get in the way of a good time.
How about a national militia of tesla burners?
I remember the Russian military recruitment offices burning these past years, and their railroads getting sabotaged.
The western press proudly stated “this is what happens when you don’t allow people to protest, they turn to sabotage”.
But I guess this administration missed the memo.
Lol, lmao even. There is, and will be, no “national militia.” What’s going to happen is that the American people will sit in their couches, maybe cry, and say “why is this happening to us, somebody save us.” Anything that doesn’t take effort.
We are quite factually already NOT doing that. Get involved with a movement before you post doomer shit like this. Remember, every war we ever lost has been against fighters that blend in with the population. Its why we lost Vietnam, why we lost in Bush’s little scandal, and why they’ll lose when Trump tries to do this. Our biggest hurdle isnt getting people off their asses.
“yeah this thread is discussing how the American people are actively burning teslas and dealerships and all that but ameriturds totally won’t do anything”
I’m watching news every day about how the Turd Reich is cracking down on anything that opposes them, but yeah the people totally aren’t doing a thing.
Like he’ll be alive in 4 years.
Just remember, if his new administration has proven anything, it is that the difference between legal and illegal in the American political system is mostly down to everyone being willing to go along with that law. There is very little actual teeth behind a lot of it at the high up federal level.
So it might be unconstitutional for him to run again, but who is actually going stop him? He has more guns and more sycophants than the court system.
Only applies to rich people and cops. For the rest of us, we have to follow the law.
Yesterday, former President Donald Trump told a group of supporters that they won’t have to vote again if they elect him to the presidency. “You won’t have to do it anymore,” Trump said at the Turning Point Believers’ Summit in Florida. “It’ll be fixed; it’ll be fine; you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.” - The Atlantic, July '24
‘When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.’ - Maya Angelou
It’ll be fixed
Dude straight up just says it and nobody gives a fuck.
Conservative don’t like bypassing term limit. Conservative subreddit are already not happy. So yep it’s matter of time some maga nut bag will revolt against him.
Conservatives WILL like it when their media tells them how to justify/spin it.
Yeah. Outrage now doesn’t mean outrage when it matters. Things will look very different in 4 years and conservatives always seem willing to fall in line.
I hope the republicans have better aim this time.
Dont go saying stuff like this on reddit or else the sensitive ass chud admins will ban you
I don’t say anything on reddit.
Good.
Out of solidarity can someone take a shot at Spez as well?
Go for it lol. I’ve been taking pot shots at the reddit admin regime since I showed up
Am I OOTL on this?
The guy who almost Luigi’d him was a Republican.
Last I checked werent the mods going full gestapo and banning anyone who questioned trump ? That sub really is a shithole.
One already tried to shoot him.
It all depends on how they spin it
The comments seem to be missing the fact that elections are state run, so if he is allowed to run a third time, it won’t be him that broke the law it will be the states and their reps.
Ye olde civil war time
I assume Schumer will agree to this because we wouldn’t want deny the American people a choice. I wish the democrats lived in reality.
“Maybe someday they’ll let a Democrat be president for three terms!”
Obviously there is a constitutional amendment now, but you know that has happened, right?
Both sides, am I right?
Not both sides. One side and their controlled opposition.
It’s an article about Trump being a turd. Do we have to get mad about something a Democrat might do, but hasn’t done?
No, but don’t try to paint people’s legitimate frustration with the party as both sides rhetoric.
You’re right, out of either party it’s definitely the Democrats that should be known for not doing anything.
Clever rhetoric, but that was a reference to the comment assuming Schumer would say something he almost certainly won’t say.
He said something very close to it just recently in regards to shutting down criticism of any kind towards Israel, so I don’t think it’s unfair to say it’s something he thinks, even if he’s probably too smart to use those exact words.
EDIT: To be clear, I’m not talking about the being president three times, I’m specifically talking about the denying American people a choice, although in this thread the two are intertwined.
Twenty-Second Amendment
Section 1
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
Supreme court:
Amendment schmamendment.
To make this explicit, the law is what Trump and his merry band of miscreants say it is, unless we’re willing to step up as a country and say ‘No it isn’t’ and back those words up with action, if needed. All the words in the Constitution are is ink on a piece of paper, unless we’re willing to stand and fight for them.
Elected to the office of the President
If you are looking for a loophole, I think there is an argument to be made that if he is elected to the office of the vice president and the president steps down, that would allow a “3rd term”.
I would love to be wrong, but I wouldn’t be shocked if that is the play.
Edit: dhork points out the 12th amendment should block this.
The 12th amendment states
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States
That seems pretty definitive. The only attack to it I can see (and it’s total bullshit) is that the Originalists on this court may insist on interpreting this amendment based on the state of the Constitution when it was ratified in 1804, and the term limits weren’t passed until 1952.
The way around that is making him speaker of the house and having both the president and vice president resign. Speaker doesn’t have any real requirements on it.
The Constitution leaves what happens if the Presidency and VP are both vacant at the same time up to Congress, and Congress has passed various Presidential Succession Acts, the most recent being 1947. The language in that Act specifically exempts anyone who would otherwise be ineligible from becoming President.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act
And this has been enforced in the past; Cabinet Secretaries who were not natural-born citizens have not been included in the succession list. I remember specifically that when Madeline Albright was Clinton’s Secretary of State, she was not on the list because she was born in Prague.
I vaguely remember Trump briefly trying to be speaker of the house at some point, or at least talking about it.
From what I remember MTG nominated him during the McCarthy drama but it was just to add to the drama.
It’s been floated around for a bunch of politicians. They were talking about making Hillary speaker while impeaching Trump and Pence too.
TIL! Thanks!
The loop hole would be that suddenly declare that he wasn’t officially elected because he cheated his way there /s
This is just 1 amendment, though. They break 3 every time they disappear a US resident for dissidence.
But if they are biologically DNA transformed from one gender to another, then they can? Or if trumpfus is born again in the Buddhist sense but in Christianity while doing a ruzzian adult film star? Then he can?
