• AeronMelon@lemmy.world
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      I’m a simple man.

      I see people being nice, I respect them. I see people hurting others I say fuck ‘em.

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        You know what I mean? It doesn’t have to be harder than that. It used to be how we showed each other what is acceptable and what isn’t. That… doesn’t seem to “take” anymore.

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          You would think a group that suffered the most horrific treatment from the nazis would do the exact opposite, not improve on their playbook

          That “never forget” slogan seems to mean “shoot first so they can’t” lately.

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            They missed the part about “turn the other cheek”. Maybe that’s not in their religion, eh.

    • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world
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      I’m actually becoming deeply convinced that one of the biggest dangers to the Jewish community is Israel itself.

      As things currently stand, they have the power to make people hate Jewish people more than just about anything else in this world.

      Not because I’m conflating being Jewish with being Israeli or vice versa, but because that appears to be the message they want to the world to embrace. That is really synonymous with being Jewish.

      Look at how quickly right wingers run the world are to jump to calling you anti-Semitic if you don’t appreciate something israel does.

      • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zip
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        Yeah, but I think sometimes people forget that the “fuck israel” has to be derived from “free Palestine” and just get a little carried away feeling comfortable in having someone they’re allowed to meaninglessly hate and vilify as the badguy

        There’s a great quote that you must love the oppressed more than you hate the oppressor, and that framing made a big impact on me. So much of the discussion online about plaestine is centered on Israeli atrocities, moreso than Palestinian tragedy and loss.

        I get why, but the important thing is the liberation of the Palestinian people. Hatred for their oppressor is meant to come from hatred of their oppression.

        • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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          Mossad fucked with EVERYONE’S governments! From USA to Russia. You know, the pedo baby-eater who explicitly mentioned a plan to get rid of the poor.

          And Glishaine Maxwell had Mossad awsociation too. Now look what they are doing to Palestine.

          Hope you understand, that area needs to be fucking walled off, and anyone prevented from going in. Thanks to the religious nutbags, that entire area is a memetic hazard.

          Now I’m not going to say nuke Israel again, but that place needs to be gone one way or another. Idk, deport them to somewhere else, then salt the land and have border guards preventing the place from ever being settled again.

          • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zip
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            The place you’re saying to salt the earth is the stolen land of the Palestinians.

            Which, thats kinda exactly what I mean by loosing sight of liberation for the oppressed. You’re talking about whether to nuke the (stolen) homeland of a suffering group.

            You gotta remember that the point is justice, not retribution. And jutice often should include consequences. But that doesn’t make it the same thing as vindictive persecution.

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              You don’t understand, so long as there’s some bibble bullshit about endtimes happening in Israel, there will always be someone trying to end the world. That’s the specific issue here.

              Of course, it’s someone else’s problem how to solve this ethically 🎵

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          No I think Ill make my own choice on that, thanks. If I want to hate the oppressors AND the oppression thats my business. I want vengeance for the afronts to humanity. Its not just all fine if the oppression stops. Debts are now owed in a big way.

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            Justice should often include consequences (and does include consequences in cases of genocide), but if you set the goal as retribution you may lose sight of what justice would actually entail. They are not at all the same thing.

            And if we’re choosing between justice and retribution, one of those is a better choice that better honors the suffering of the oppressed than the other.

            I’m not saying only do one. I’m saying one of them must come from the other. One of them comes first.

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    This is another good example of saying “Fuck (country name)” they’re usually talking about the government of that country, and not necessarily the citizens. For example, Russia can fuck right off, but I’d expect that most Russian citizens are decent people who are merely drowning in propaganda. Lots of people are, all around the world.

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      Yes even US Americans are probably just decent people generally. I know it’s hard to imagine with some of these countries but we shouldn’t forget people aren’t their governments.

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            Dont do that. We all make choices and we are all responsible for our actions. Actions and choices have consequences when those choices harm others. Its the foundation of human society.

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              If you hold everyone 100% responsible for their actions, including supporting or condoning governments that mess up this world, contributing to global warming, consumption under capitalism, choices they did not foresee the outcome off, mistakes, etc., then there are no decent people in this world at all.

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              I think it’s pretty obvious for us here outside the US too. It is like bad body odour, it is harder to notice when you’re inside it and used to it.

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              Eh, the rest of the western world aren’t really any better in this regard, as much as they try to pretend that they are

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            No. I’ve had several people admit to me that the hatred is the point.

            Anyine who still supports this regime is supporting them because of the hatred.

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        Yeah, Americans can be insufferable but I try to consider that they’re indoctrinated from birth and people be people. Birthplace doesn’t dictate the person

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      I take that approach for almost countries, but I have a hard time with Israel because their polls continue to show 80%+ support for the genocide. That’s a huge portion of the population to be irredeemable.

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      Tbh, Israelis as a whole invite a lot of hate upon themselves by wholeheartedly supporting outright genocide. Public polling there shows a disturbingly large number of even young, secular Israelis advocate for killing everyone in Gaza, including women and children:

      https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis

      https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

      That doesn’t mean every Israeli or every Jewish person is culpable or suspect, ofc. But I think it’s even more justifiable to distrust the country as a whole as it is to distrust the US electorate after re-electing Trump. Netanyahu is corrupt and bloodthirsty, but his policies still enjoy broad support from voters there.

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      82% of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of All Palestinians, which is a textbook crime against humanity.

      56% support removing every arab/Palestinian CITIZEN of Israel from israel permanently, and revoking their Israeli citizenship based on their race.

      47% agreed with the idea of killing every single Palestinian like the biblical wars in their book.

      https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

      So theres no need to bend over backward to protect the Israeli public. No one assigned these views to them, this is what the vast majority of them choose to believe. many people on this thread try so hard to separate them from their government and assign all the crimes to the government. Except for a tiny majority, this murder and ethnic cleansing is exactly what they say they want and what they support. The problem is not just their governments, its the vast majority of the people too.

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      I fully mean fuck the state and the people of Israel. May their country be destroyed and the lands returned to the Palestinians. Israelis can go flee to the US or something for all I care.

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      I mean at this point half the internet is The Israel Hating Website. The days when anti-Zionism was restricted to leftists and Muslims are long gone.

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      its the entire planet who holds this opinion, not just this website. humanity just hate crimes against humanity, it turns out. Is that surprising to you? It gives me hope that humanity is decent.

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    I am just gonna say it too:
    Fuck society
    Fuck humans
    Fuck this Saturday (*depending on timezone)

    Can’t we just fucking live in a sort of harmony? PLEASE.

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    Zionism is equivalent to Nazism.

    Zionism at its heart is a form of violent Fascism, as well as a form of Settler-Colonialism that maintains it’s prominence and territorial expansion by commiting genocide.

    Zionism should be met with the same vigorous resistance and removal from society as Nazism.

    Zionism PREDATES Nazism. Modern political Zionism started in 1897, the Nazi movement didn’t begin until the 1920s.

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      And because SO many people can’t seem to wrap their heads around this concept and keep shouting their ignorance at us I feel the need to constantly yell back at them:

      Anti-Zionism is NOT being anti-Semitic or hating Jews or hating the PEOPLE.

      Anti-Nazism is NOT being anti-German or hating Germans or hating the PEOPLE.

      Anti-Fascism is NOT being anti people or races or religions or literally ANYTHING except the politics/philosophy/actions/behaviors/hate/control/abuse that is fascism.

      We are literally ONLY protesting the genocides, the murder of innocent people, the bombing of civilian areas, the abuse and horric conditions, the hate, the racism, the fear mongering, the lies, the gaslighting, the violence. WE ONLY WANT PEACE FFS!!! STOP CALLING US RACIST FOR WANTING CEASEFIRES!!!

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    I believe this is the wrong template, as the meme is supposed to imply that the person is stating a weak, irrelevant opinion. However, this statement is clearly superior and strong.

    That said, communication is fluid as it relies on people essentially “voting” and “agreeing” on the meaning by participating and engaging in it. Therefore I become the person as originally intended in the meme by potentially communicating something irrelavant.

    Ah, the self-own. Myself, how I have burned thee