Imagine being this arrogant
Either absolutely true or most arrogant shit I seen.
What’s the context?When you realize the amount you have to teach them before they can even understand your point…
I like to just plant a little seed in moments like this. Even if you just feign ignorance and ask a Socratic question or two… Get their little grey cells working in their sleep maybe. You never know
Might as well try it. The worst that’ll happen is an idiot will stop talking to you about idiot things.
It’s rare to find people who are actually interested in learning anything, most will just parrot something they’ve heard in passing or rely on gut feeling, and if your fact goes against their made up assumption then they will deny what you say rather than look it up and learn, because being seen to not know something hurts their feelings.
You gotta switch their gears from defense ive/debate mode before they’ll even consider what you have to say.
Even then you won’t see the positive change in the moment. It’ll come 2 years later while they’re drying their hair and it all clicks
As an autistic individual who already has enough trouble with social interaction, asking me to dance around the fragile emotional state of someone being willfully ignorant might as well be the same as asking me to sprout wings and fly.
Yeah if it’s not in your skill set no shame in leaving this labour to someone more suited to it
nice meme about everyone who interacts with you
Me when some dumb MF says I’m wrong, when they clearly lack the mental capacity to understand the issue at hand:
My best friend recently told me :
“Did you see the image of the original moon landing ? It looks so so fake”
I was shocked. An engineer with supposedly a scientific background was starting to take on conspiracy theories.
I just said that the moon landing was not fake and that it would have been impossible to fake something on this scale and that there was plenty of documentation about the Apollo mission online.
But I feel sad because it’s obvious his social network interactions online are pushing him toward very toxic content.
It kinda does look fake especially for then. But it also was unlike anything ever done before using technology basically at science fiction level for the 60s. It looks like fiction because it was so advanced for the time it was borderline science fiction. Still amazing evertime I think about it.
Also I do think its somewhat doctored. Nothing malicious you can achieve the same thing with a monitors built in settings, they just fucked with the contrast and some other shit to make it look not weird. Kinda like how Neptune is just kinda greyish blue and not a nice deep blue.
Conspiracy theories are fun to listen to, but you have to be careful not to believe them. I grew up on Bigfoot and UFO stories (being near Mendocino and having farm family does that to you) but, well aside from the family Bigfoot pranks we were very clear it was all make believe.
I wouldn’t put it past the US government to pull some shenanigans, and I certainly wouldn’t rule out the possibility that some aspect of it was a lie. That being said, I have yet to see any evidence that it was faked that isn’t simply a misunderstanding of the science.
That moment when you realize it’s not a debate, it’s a lifetime project 😭
We don’t always have the time and some ideas are too complex.
But this is what good teachers are good at. You need to relate to your student before you can teach them anything.
“Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn’t know the first thing about either.” -Marshall Macluhan.
People are not entertained by “you are wrong I am right.” Literally nobody is. There’s an art to teaching.
I have the stubbornness and autism required that even if I can’t achieve anything I revel at the challenge. You are going to learn about the bronze age and how the ancients were just people who were culturally alien, like the Siberian peoples of the French. They didn’t have super technology that we can’t replicate, we just have better methods and are lazy, cheap, or don’t want to invest into it.
I assume you’re talking about the “ancient alien” theorists. Are there actually some things that are “impossible” from our current knowledge of their tech tree? I always assumed it was just like “well I’m a lazy modern human and if I pushed these bricks up a ramp I would collapse” sort of thing.
I’m talking about ancient aliens, Graham Hancock, and general woo woo pseudo historian babble. Anyways most of the big mysteries at this point are a matter of specifics like we know how they did every step before and after step five but they didn’t write down step five type shit. Either that or it’s just weird artifacts that we just aren’t precisely sure what they are let alone what they were used for, for example those weird Roman dodecahedrons.
But yeah most of these folks are pointing to shit like stone henge and going “we have no clue how they built these” even though we do know how they were built, for context stone henge was built using sleds, dirt ramps, and lots of manpower. Problem is we have the broad strokes for these but are missing specifics like did they water down the path the sleds went on, did they reuse the dire for other things nearby, or how much manpower did they use. Experimental archeology only gets you so far when you’re working with what amounts to a multiple choice question with no mechanically wrong answers, we know the answer is 16 but the maths they used to get there are unknown.
The best thing you can do in these situations is to ask a critically reflective question for them to sit with. You can and never have been able to change someone’s mind just like that. What you can is be part of the web of critical thoughts that help them towards thinking critically about their idea.
Yea they’re looking for agreements to help lock in the idea. The algorithms don’t ever have anyone critically questioning them on their little podcasts.
So Be the critical question asker that they forgot to be before buying the idea.
Be Columbo. ‘Oh before I forget Just one last question…’
Loved Peter falk in that show.
It’s the socratic method.
Hits me every time. I may know I am right and the other person is wrong, but the amount of re-education needed for them to realize it - undoable for me
its not worth it to change the minds of those who activly don’t want to know any other thing.
But also, don’t think you have to do all the work yourself. I think we very often underestimate the importance of being the one that simply plants the seed. Of course the difficulty is that usually we can’t tell if said seed has actually been planted, so it feels like a waste of energy.
Sshush! You ate giving the tankies ideas!
Knowing how to plant the seed is crucial too.
The best way I’ve found is to just ask questions like you don’t understand the topic but are interested in learning more. Their logic is going to have holes, and you want to guide them into stumbling into one.
The hard part is asking probing questions without sounding like you’re trying to pull a “gotcha”.
Knowing how to plant the seed is crucial too.
I heard you just put your thingie in her woo-hoo bag and then you plip plap until you both yeehaw.
Thank you for using proper medical terms!
Of course. I am, after all, Jesus; I know the best medical terms – tremendous terms.
According to everybody: “We’ve never known anyone with better medical terms, just amazing stuff”
They come up to me – great people, smart people – and they come up and they tell me: "Mr. Technician, sir, we’re so impressed with your terminology. Everybody’s talking about it. China’s talking – " they don’t have very good doctors over there, folks, so they come to me for advice.
Plap plip but otherwise perfect.
Oh god, is plip plap the gay one?? I promised my mom in high school that I wasn’t gay; if she finds out, she’ll never let me live it down.
I’ve never got this far with a boy
The hard part is asking probing questions without sounding like you’re trying to pull a “gotcha”.
I was going to say, actually listen, avoid being the annoying person Just Asking Questions
Okay Socrates.
I’ve tried planting the seed a few times with people who voluntarily wiretap their own house with an Alexa. Each time they’ve picked it up and ran further with it, like “Oh I know! If I mention seat belt covers, suddenly amazon is recommending a bunch of seat belt covers in my home page!” No thoughts at all of doing anything with this conclusion.
I’ve also witnessed planting the seed working in plenty of other scenarios, just thought this particular fumble was common and particularly funny.
The seed they need isn’t just that they’re being spied on, but that it’s personally bad for them when compared to not having the device. Alternatives that may be more expensive, but are safer and within their capacity are also valuable.
This is especially a thing with ring cameras. One thing I do is be very upfront about how despite being a victim of the sort of rare crime that inspires people get them out of fear, I didn’t respond by buying one or a gun, I then explain why and what alternative I’m going with instead. The cops showed me clearly why they can’t be trusted to use camera footage responsibly on behalf of victims when they were loudly demanding answers about my weed bowl but couldn’t be bothered to look at the footprints under the window with a cut screen, instead insisting we’d left the door the invader left through unlocked.
Yeah, it’s really hard to get lay people to understand infosec issues. I had to create a separate VLAN for my wife because she couldn’t tolerate being behind a VPN or pihole because she wants to click on sponsored ads on Google.
And don’t get me started on how she feels about the fact that I password protect all. She knows my password, but still thinks I’m hiding something.
But I work in InfoSec, so of course I’m hiding everything. Just not from her.
Yeah, too many people think anyone who cares about data security needs to get their hard drives checked.
Fundamentally, just completely antithetical to the principles of constitutional democracy, basic freedoms and human rights.
“Everyone else lets me walk over their rights, so if you maintain your own then you must have something to hide, and I will use that as justification to transgress them!” It’s so fucked up…
I know you’re just talking about your wife, but the same thing applies to corporations, adware, data brokers, and governments.
I like to ask the “I have nothing to hide” people if I can go paw through their underwear drawer.
I mean, most everyone wears it, so it’s not like it’s something to hide, right?
Unfortunately, it would go right over their heads and they would just call you a creep, reinforcing their belief that you should be under constant surveillance…
And they’d probably go and put a ring camera in their bedroom… you know, for… privacy…
Yes. I use this on people, and some of them react positively, but even those dont care all that much. They understand the reasoning but the answer is still “I dont care”.
People actually click those? That’s horrifying.
Yeah, I agree
Infosec seems like a depressing job to be in atm.
So I have this really creepy picture someone painted of Jesus. It’s eyes follow you wherever you go I wish I knew how to do that anyways my neighbors are very funny. They put that picture of Jesus on their wiretap.
I went to Lowe’s a couple of months ago and that night on Amazon I got recommendations for drill bits and cabinet door pulls. The weird thing was that I did buy some drill bits at Lowe’s but I just looked at cabinet pulls there. I’m guessing my phone was linked to in-store footage and AI noted where in the store I stopped to look at stuff. As a kid I used to look forward to living in the future, now I kinda regret it.
There might be some kind of RFID in the shelves that senses your phone’s proximity and how long it lingers…
Might be Bluetooth beacon tracking: https://www.mokosmart.com/bluetooth-proximity-marketing-ble-beacons/
Seems like these should typically be used by store apps, but who knows when other apps have like 37,876 trusted partners they share data with.
So well intentioned sealioning? Still gives me the icky.
Basically the Socratic method
Yeah, too many people rag on Socrates without really understanding him.
Me: This is a seed.
Them: “No, fuck you.”
Me: This continues to be a seed.
Gotta coddle their ego because man, are the stupid of this world confident!
You know, I appreciate that perspective because I do believe it’s important overall if we’re ever going to recover as a society, but I’m also concerned that perhaps as a society we’re just too far gone. Some people will never get it, and you have to be prepared for that, but I do think it’s a good thing to leave that door open for people who eventually come around. If that door isn’t open, they’ll just go back to their same old echo chambers.
At the same time, be aware that there’s a certain combination of narcissism and dunning-kruger which will lead some people to believe you’re validating them by listening and asking questions, and they may double down or even go on to be even more confidently outlandish, because someone who seemed smart decided to listen to them and ask them questions, so clearly they must be even more smarter!
Like, you know that technique they teach you in basic interpersonal communication and conflict resolution classes? The one where you’re supposed to listen to a person and repeat back what they said before laying out why you disagree with it?
Yeah, that doesn’t work when as soon as you finish summarizing their point to them they go “Yeah, exactly, I’m glad you agree,” and then change the topic into something even more batshit crazy…
Maybe an important point in all this is you don’t have to hide your intentions or even agree. While the idea is to get them to think safely without putting up a defensive perimeter, you can still be genuine about your point of view. How that happens might be circumstantial, but, for example, you can probably always safely say something like, “I’m not saying I agree, but I was curious about your point of view.” Of course, every discussion (and how we navigate it) is going to be different.
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Oh, is that how you look at it? That’s… interesting.
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