• solidheron@sh.itjust.works
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    I guess they meant you can travel locally or don’t be afraid of going into debt? But that would still mean it’s a matter of money

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    ITT: but first class tickets and 5 star hotels cost money!!!

    Basically no one understands the message.

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        Walking, biking and couchsurfing is free. In most countries camping is free too.

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        You can travel by hitchhiking (free), walking (free), cycling (one bike costs) or even by volunteering on a ship (you might even earn money). You can sleep in a tent or couchsurfing or on said ship.

        Everybody immediately goes to restaurants, transcontinental flights and hotels, of course you need money for that, but that’s exactly not the point.

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    He’s not wrong. It’ll be a really shitty journey as it’s just voluntary homelessness, but you can choose to live as a hobo if you’re brave enough. And if you’re brave enough you can cross borders without permission. Not a good idea at all, lots of walking, hunger, sleeping outside, and hiding from authorities, but hey, you can.

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      Hobo sort of implies a migrant worker. Tramp is someone that travels about, but isn’t interested in working. Both used to be associated with freighthopping trains. Do people stowaway on trains anymore?

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      That’s great and all but please take a few step to the left, you are blocking the sunlight

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        It’s not a choice I’d personally make, but it’s often associated with mental illness or a deep feeling of the need to be free (especially in young people). For the former it’s associated with PTSD and feeling like if you no longer fit into normal life. For the latter it’s kinda like backpacking across Europe, but across whatever continent you’re on, often staying at punk houses and squats along the way.

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        “Homeless” can mean different things. It could mean “can’t afford a home, can’t keep a job” like the typical assumption, or it could mean “between homes but capable of getting another” or it could mean “has plenty of money but no home base, just sleeps in hotels or camps and can afford food and clothes when needed”.

        It’s not a lifestyle I’d want right now, but it doesn’t automatically mean one can’t thrive. Humans were nomadic for millennia before agriculture gave us a reason and the ability to just stay in one spot.

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        They weren’t being literal with the homelessness. And anyway, that statement is still a bit close-minded, while it obviously wouldn’t be a comfortable experience, it is possible and not everything needs to be the smartest decision ever. Sometimes challenging yourself to do something extreme with lots of risk keeps you more alive than comfort could.

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        The line that separates courage and stupidity is always very thin, be it warfare or… Checks notes… TRAVEL

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        Depends on your definition of homelessness. Living in a shitty, broken down van probably counts. But what about living in a $200k Mercedes Sprinter van converted to a camper, with a stable job that lets you work remote? What about a retired couple living in a 40’ RV, after spending their working lives dreaming about traveling around the country?

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          You’re not homeless if you have a 200k sprinter, also it’s not in the spirit of this post which claims that travel isn’t a matter of money.

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        Lots of people walk or bike around the world.

        What’s more valuable to you? Having an experience that sounds outlandishly amazing? Or paying rent? We might not all agree.

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        It’s not travel in your (and to be honest, most people in the comments) preferred version. The OP never mentioned luxuries, or even comfort. The point is that if what you really want to travel, you most probably can, independent of your financial situation.

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            My point is: it’s not technically correct, it’s just plain correct. Plenty of people I know go for cycling tours of Europe, packing food and sleeping in tents. Some do two weeks hiking.

            Travel is not only flying to the other end of the world and eating fancy food cooked for you by hired chefs… you can travel basically free if you adjust your expectations.

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    In the USA all we have to do is tell ICE that we are not a citizen and bam, all-expenses-paid vacation at some random spot in the world.

    Tip to the wise: to facilitate re-entry when you are done, simply ensure that your passport is stored securely in your <ahem> “travel wallet”.

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      One of the greatest propaganda pieces, that is usually not perceived as such intentionally, is that anything having to do with penalties from justice systems is free. Penal justice usually do have statutes of free services, judge time and free legal counseling, but most other tribunals and also a lot of the penalties involved incur financial costs and debt into the convicted. House arrest, you either pay for the ankle tracker or a fine for the officer’s hourly pay; mandatory anger management, mental health counseling, etc, you are footing the bill; civil damages, win or lose, attorney times have to be paid; deportation, the receiving country is billed for the plane ticket, room and food during travel, which usually they pass down to you; in the US, convicts have to work in order to access anything that is not basic care (food, water and electricity), usually for slavery wages. And a long list of etceteras.

      The cliché of getting yourself arrested for a misdemeanor being cheaper than paying rent and food sounds quirky fun, until the reality of fines and fees of the associated process come through. Justice systems are mostly poverty manufacturing systems.

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        It’s a difficult balance. Imagine you have a child that you bring with you on the plane and it being too young, cries throughout the entire flight. One action, one decision - and not by the child, obviously - impacts everyone around you.

        Politicians tap into that innate sense of “hey, that’s not fair!” to deliver whatever gives themselves the highest gains. Some want to uphold the status quo, others want to improve it, still others want to tear it all down and start fresh.

        Ironically what I hear most often from tankies is that they agree with how Donald Trump is doing things (since I started us talking about specifically the USA in my original comment), and want him to dial the actions up even further.

        So… it gets highly complex, real quickly.

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      Brave of you to assume they wouldn’t accuse you of forging the passport with some twisted logic to keep you out of the country