Trump supporters who backed his promise to avoid new Middle East wars worry Iran’s attacks on shipping are pushing the U.S. toward escalation — and maybe even boots on the ground.
When the U.S. started firing Tomahawk missiles at Iran late last month, many of Donald Trump’s allies hoped it would be a quick, surgical operation, similar to last year’s strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities or the ouster of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro in January.
Though uneasy, they were reassured by the belief that Trump’s open-ended objectives gave him the flexibility to declare victory whenever he saw fit.
Now, more than two weeks into the campaign, some of those allies believe the president no longer controls how, or when, the war ends. They fear Iran’s attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which have rattled global crude markets and threaten broader economic distress, are boxing Trump into a situation where escalating the conflict — potentially even putting American boots on the ground — becomes the only way to credibly claim victory.
Trump and Hegseth should use AI about it.
“wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please”. -Machiavelli
It was so easy to steal America with Elon’s help. Surely stealing Iran and all of its oil will be much easier.
Time for our totally not completely manipulated stock market to inexplicably go up!
Watching the markets the last few weeks certainly supports the notion that the markets are decoupled from reality.
Ya pretty much since Covid. It’s hard to have a free market when all the capital is in the hands of a handful of people.
Way before that, actually. At the very least, since GFC of 2008. Traditional valuation models died long ago. My vague belief is that the only deciding factor for markets now is the amount of capital free for investing (and that multiplied massively through QE and covid handouts). So we have trillions of dollars sloshing around looking for a home. Be loud as Musk and it will flow your way, regardless of what you are actually producing. Hence the unhinged valuations of several top companies.
The sad thing is that even after this war decimates the US economy and leaves america as a complete laughingstock, the MAGats are going to happily vote for the next Trump.
Losing Vietnam didn’t teach them anything, and neither will this fiasco.
Decimated is only 1/10th. Trump likes to use it a lot, but doesn’t know what it means.
Decimated does come from the practice of killing one prisoner in ten.
And it has come to be synonymous with ‘devastated.’
I was using it in the sense of ‘severely maimed.’ Losing a hand or a foot won’t kill you but it is pretty bad.
The funny thing is that I first read the word in a spy thriller, where an agent realizes his boss has been replaced with a double when the phony misuses the word.
The orange blob has done enough dumb things to mock him for without using archaic definitions as gotchas.
happily vote for the next Trump
You mean Trump himself? There’s no chance in hell he wouldn’t try to run again if he hasn’t kicked the bucket by then.
It’s pretty unlikely he’ll make it until then and if he does die I’m not sure who will be his successor (definitely not charisma black hole JD) but if not then he’s too proud to give anyone else a chance.
MTG played it pretty smart.
She retired from Congress and isn’t running in November. I predict she will be omnipresent as a pundit and set herself up nicely for 2028 GOP Convention.
He has plenty of successors in waiting.
I don’t think MTG has a chance, she’s alienated too much of the republican party. Also, she’s a woman. They never do well, especially not in the republican party.
It’s the Paul Ryan gamble.
The equivalent of pulling your funds out of a market before a crash and hoping to buy back in low.
She’s hoping trump goes down and then she can fill the void
Yup, both the Paul Ryan and stock market metaphors are apt.
But taking the Paul Ryan comparison to its conclusion is probably also apt - he never had the chance to buy back in low, because he didn’t factor in that this particular market has no bottom. The only rational move with the GOP, ever, is to just cash out and leave forever.
and leave forever
I wish I thought Paul Ryan has left forever…
Ignorance is bliss and all
I still love the fact that Star Trek inadvertently gave Obama the presidency.
She’s dumb enough to lead the GOP.
He could run as VP…
They’re going to frame it as “See? The most powerful navy in the world is struggling, imagine how worse a threat Iran world be if Trump hadn’t intervened! He’s a tactical jenius!”
You might be right.
On the other hand, if enough families of upcoming casualties speak out, that might get through to the MAGA minds.
It’s only going to matter to them when it’s their kids or grand-kids coming home with a flag draped over them.
They already don’t give a damn about veterans as is
even after this war decimates the US economy
War has traditionally been a boon to the American economy, as the US workforce is heavily integrated into the Military Industrial Complex. The surge in state spending under the Trump administration, combined with the construction boom from AI, is what’s currently keeping us out of recession. And domestic oil exports only benefit when countries like Kuwait and Qatar can’t export fossil fuels.
Losing Vietnam didn’t teach them anything
It’s the Max Bialystock strategy. You win by losing. Another multi-decade long military engagement means multiple trillions of dollars invested in equipment, technology, and private contractors.
Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela, I guess Cuba is next, maybe we get to Nigeria or North Korea down the line… the wars never end and the profits never stop flowing.
The problem has been “the only other option” was neoliberal who won’t help us either, but are bad liars about it.
We got a fair DNC again, we can get a FDR style Dem who actually helps people, meaning Dem turnout doesn’t get depressed and the next shitty Republican doesn’t get an open court layup.
That’s all it takes to break that cycle. It’s why neoliberals were always willing to lose a general in the primary if it meant stopping a progressive.
They never had the same goal as Dem voters, but Dem voters got the DNC back from neoliberals over a year ago.
I appreciate your optimism, but I am skeptical that anything is really changing for the DNC.
Martin ran Minnesota for a decade and the results are very easy to look into.
We’re a year into the largest reinvesture from DNC to state parties. Which is important because:
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The victory fund stealing that money is why we lost the House
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The money going back is why we keep winning special election.
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The victory fund and the legitimate threat that money would be withheld was the threat that kept neoliberala in congressional leadership.
And Martin has publicly said he wants a charismatic progressive presidential candidate, his example was Mamdani. And he said that right after his primary before he was a sure thing.
There’s more going on, I’ll never be blindly optimistic about anything.
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We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field,
hahahahahahah
“Thanks to a detailed planning process, the entire administration is and was prepared
hahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahahaha
President Trump knew full well
HAHAHAHahahaaaahahahaaaa… oh man…
any disruptions to energy are temporary and will result in a massive benefit to our country and the global economy
hahahahahhahaAHHAHAHAHAHaaahhhahaha
Iran is slipping beyond the President’s control
I’ve become more critical of the way I’m reading headlines lately and this one stuck out to me. The implication is that a sitting leader of one sovereign nation should have control of another sovereign nation or that the latter nation should be “subservient” to them. It’s really interesting how the build the intended power dynamic with that one sentence.
Definitely nothing to do with the editorial bias of Politico’s owners…
I read it differently. That sentence makes it sound like the “President” is actually a competent leader whose plans are falling apart, rather than the dangerously stupid puppet that he is. All media outlets keep sane-washing him like he has plans to begin with, is capable of strategic thought, and is somehow actually trying to do any kind of good for anyone but himself and his handlers.
America is rat-fucked until the people can establish at least one media outlet that isn’t indifferent to all the evil being perpetrated against them.
If anyone in any responsible position, listened to that 45 minute CNN interview where he repeatedly contradicted himself would give him some Seroquel and send Grandpa back to the Rainbow room for his evening mush.
I read it as control of the situation, particularly his self perceived control of the war. Weird for a headline to play to that. Your critique is valid, the headline is poorly written.
Yeah, pretty sure it’s meant to mean [The war in] Iran…
I particularly liked the underlying assumption throughout the article that Trump absolutely has to have Iran capitulate and therefore the only thing they can do is to continue to escalate. That “declare victory and leave” isn’t something they’ve even considered.
The problem with the ‘declare victory and leave’ is that the enemy gets a vote. Even if shitler pulled forces back, Iran ain’t got no reason to stop shooting tankers now.
Also… Do we just have two carrier groups trapped in the Gulf now? Guess our navy is just gonna have to ‘man up’ like he told the tankers to? That could get real spicy REAL quick.
Serving on the USS Ford has to be like being in prison.
I don’t believe they’re actually in the Gulf, for that exact reason.
Also, fun fact! We decommissioned our minesweeper fleet in the Gulf, the last of them were shipped out from Bahrain in January. You know, just weeks before we started a damn naval war. All we got now is some equipment bolted onto repurposed LCS…
6 months before that Patel and Hegseth fied a ton of Mideast counterterroism experts.
implication is that a sitting leader of one sovereign nation should have control of another sovereign nation
This is normal US media implication since 1940s. Supreme right. The control reference in article seems to be that there may have been some minor miscalculations about whether “allies” would be made to die to impose US authority on Iran, and to obtain certain glory, we’ll just start a mandatory draft, and shoot any protestors. It’s the only way, and we are not allowed any other ideas.
Hold the cards? That orange shitgibbon has a handful of Uno cards while everyone else is playing poker-- he’s not even playing the same game. He needs to be put in a home for criminals with dementia then sealed in.
Anyone saying he plays 3D chess needs to understand that’s a stupid thing to do when the game is checkers.
He is not playing chess… he is eating the pieces.
HE NEVER HAD ANY CONTROL TO BEGIN WITH! Trump has about as much control of Iran as he does with his bowels.
Special Military Operation 2: Desert Boogaloo
slipping beyond the president’s control.
Much like his ability to not shit his pants.
Strait of Hormuz => Strait of Hormlose
This is SILLY because Trump OBVIOUSLY took us to War with FULL Knowledge of Who and What he was Up against! Trump would NEVER Risk American Lives so Silly like That! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
Time to pivot to Cuba!
I’m actually shocked that he hasn’t already declared victory and pulled all ships from the area.
I’m actually shocked that he hasn’t already declared victory
He did do that part
