Firefox is a sinking ship and Brave can suck my dick
From the Brave website:
Beyond this core engine, Brave has built in tons of custom features atop that open-source Chromium core:
- Built-in ad blocker
- YouTube ad blocker
- AI assistant
Yeah, no. I’ll stick with LibreWolf.
Not to mention that the CEO of Brave is a homophobic bigot. Good enough for me to boycott as a cis het male.
If you want a low-drama setup: Firefox + uBlock Origin + tweak Enhanced Tracking Protection to ‘Strict’. Brave is solid too, but I’ve had a few sites act weird with the defaults.
I’d rather have this clash of the titans than whatever the fuck Chrome does next.
I just found out they’re like that. It turns out both browsers showcase their respective features.
I think both are equally good for me, it just depends on how you use them. Although their engines are different, Gecho and Chromium.
Everybody sucks but you really should be cheering for Firefox in such a fight. Even now.
Yeah, it’s strange that they are getting so much hate for an upcoming AI feature… which will be easily able to be turned off.
Fuck that, Waterfox
Stupid argument. None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox. You should still cheer for Firefox
None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox
Right, let me rephrase “no Firefox fork worth using has any chance to maintain meaningful existence without upstream Firefox”
I’m sure many forks will go on surviving from scraps if Firefox disappeared tomorrow. But they wouldn’t get anything useful done.
Let me put this into perspective, Microsoft (a trillion dollar company that would benefit enormously from rolling their own browser engine) didn’t have the resources for maintaining a browser engine.
A for-profit company “not having resources” usually means that the product department decided it’s not worth investing. Doesn’t tell us anything about the actual effort required to maintain such a software.
You can do both
But you dont
I support the Firefox Ideal, but don’t support the new direction.
So [email protected] works best for me.
And Firefox do have telemetry for whose using the forks anyhow, so they know when they lose customers due to their terrible decisions
Firefox, the AICentric browser of the future! We are here to fuck you over just like everyone else!
Firefox one of the few browsers that lets you turn off the shitty ai features vs brave the browser that forses shit down your throat uses you to crptomine and is owned by a bigoted piece of shit!
Apparently Brave already does this by default.
GenAi Centric browser that uninstalls itself with an GenAi kill switch :p
(but for real: firefox is nice because its not chromium and allows nicer firefox based browsers)
My main criteria for a browser is not being Chrome or Chromium based.
This leaves my only options being Firefox and it’s forks.
Or Microsoft Edge which stifles laughter I’m not gonna do.
Currently on Firefox but might give Librewolf a try.
Edit: I’ve been told Edge is also Chromium based now, the Firefox ecosystem really is the last holdout huh?
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There’s always Netscape…
Firefox and maybe Ladybird (if it doesn’t turn into vaporware)
Edge has been Chromium based since 2020.
What was it based on before that? When windows 10 initially launched. I know old edge sucked, but what engine did it use?
EdgeHTML
They should open source it.
Uhhh, Internet explorer?
No, the initial versions of Edge used a new engine that was different from Internet Explorer’s Trident engine.
Edge is Chromium-based. It’s also not (functionally) half bad, because, well, it’s chromium based, but that obviously comes with all the other drawbacks
It’s moreso that it’s under Microsoft’s thumb. See all the tech companies are unreliable and out for you data but Microsoft also consistently fumbles on everything. They made Windows and Office then just stopped doing anything new and kept making their old products worse.
Xbox is practically dead, they bought Minecraft and you can feel the vultures circling overhead, even the AI bubble they’re just funding OpenAI and making slight adjustments for their own versions.
I’m planning on jumping ship to Linux when I make a new PC. Only thing Microsoft I even consider using nowadays is VScode.
You can jump to vscodium if you want code but without telemetry
without*
I use both librewolf and water fox and love them both
Waterfox has been great so far!
You have Safari and its forks.
Palemoon is another option.
Lol, nobody uses Safari, not even iOS users
Ah yes, iOS users, famously tech savvy.
Brand Tribalism only supports the brands, don’t fall for their bullshit.
iOS and Android and Microsoft and Linux users are all just as smart as each other.
I said tech savvy, not smart. This isn’t brand tribalism, it comes directly from what you are and aren’t able to do with the OS compared to alternatives.
You can install other browsers without being tech savvy, it was legally mandated that they allow it after them and Microsoft got sued for anti-competition laws by the EU
I wasn’t just referring to browsers, I was referring to the design philosophy as a whole and the type of users it draws.
Safari breaks everything though. Tons of sites out there flat out do not work properly with safari and at this point we all know that’s intentional.
Aren’t the developers of Brave a bunch of homophobic assholes?
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
Not to mention it already has AI built into it, while everyone is busy freaking out about Firefox even mentioning plans to roll out their own.
Have you worked in IT before? Find me a Dev who isn’t a psychopath with a bunch of skeletons in their closet.
But yeah Brave does suck, last I tried it.
About 9/10 of my coworkers are definitely not psychopaths. The last one though…
The sample size is about 150 pure devs if that matters.
They usually promote that last one to management too.
I’ve heard 1/10 people of every workforce are psychopaths, but I work with 9 other people and none of them are psychopaths. 🤷🏻♂️
Beating the odds, probably!
Explain to me how writing software makes you a bigot.
I didnt say bigot, but I’m sure some are!
I’ve worked in IT and the worst I ever came across was basically Ron Swanson with a temper. Hardly a psychopath.
Maybe its a regional thing!
Literally my entire adult life 🤷♂️ choose better employers or employees
Yeah, most people in IT think they are good people too. Thats funny isn’t it?
Just sounds like a way for someone to rationalize being a piece of shit without any basis in reality.
Not excusing it, just noticing it.
Well I’m glad you aren’t excusing your own behavior, but I’m that case you should probably work on changing it.
You should probably not tell complete strangers how to live their lives.
I have indeed, and yes, a lot of devs are a bit shady, but this doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be called out…
> talks about monetizing your data
> monetizes your data
Brave still doing that fucking crypto shit in your browser?
Ah, so the classic “Every accusation a confession.”
Thought this was sort of a wild claim about Firefox out of left field. No wonder.
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
I had a coworker excitedly tell me that he had earned a total of $12 MXN ($0.67 USD) from Brave. 🤦♂️
Shit, we’re eating like kings tonight!
Its strictly opt in. Brave asks once then you never see it again.
BETTER IT NOT EXIST AT ALL
If I went to a restaurant, they placed a hot steaming stinky turd sandwich on my table and then went “oh, but you don’t have to have it”, I still wouldn’t fucking eat there.
Why should we be okay with the Turd Sandwich that is crypto being served by Brave being opt-in???
That’s not how restaurants work dude. It’s more akin to being asked if you want to hear today’s specials before you order.
Brave has crypto minded shit built in, and they “protect you” by running their own tracking network, so they can be the exclusive sellers of the data.
Fuck brave.
Saved your comment so I can quote it anytime I see somebody try to push Brave on someone else. It’s like the Jehovah’s Witnesses of browsers Istg.
crypto minded shit built in
It’s opt-in.
they can be the exclusive sellers of the data.
You just described every single internet service that you’re not actively paying for.
Fuck Brave.
I respect your opinion, even if it’s silly.
Do they still hijack links to add their own referral codes?
It’s opt-in.
Yeah, the part that makes you money is. Still have to manually disable all of the popups and icons begging you to use it.
You just described every single internet service that you’re not actively paying for.
Difference is those sites don’t necessarily advertise themselves as “privacy respecting”
Thanks, saved this link.
Lol
Lol
At some point they did this
Meanwhile I’m on LibreWolf enjoying both extra anti-tracking features and not being reliant on Chromium
Libre gang rise up!
I tried Librewolf for a while and I gotta admit that many websites were broken for various reasons. It made using the web a bit more difficult.
The only issue I had experienced is that timestamps on Twitch and YouTube chats are displaying time in GMT+0 instead of my timezone. Which is understandable as part of anti-fingerprinting. But that’s just anecdotal experience.
This unfortunately made some issues for me, as the service I was using to study Japanese had an SRS, so the reviews were based on times. I did find a timezone setting but I swear the website didn’t have one originally.
Anyway most of the time the timezone settings don’t matter but I wish I knew how to toggle just that when I need it.
Iirc the only way to disable timezone spoofing is to disable resist fingerprinting altogether, which you can do per website in about:config. Don’t remember exactly what the setting is called bit if you search for fingerprinting you should find it.
People are worried about their timezones being shared? Seems a bit excessive
I dont think its about the timezone being shared specifically. Its that your timezone can be a part of the puzzle used to track and identify you.
Ad companies dont need to know your name to know who you are. They just need to be able to track your online habits and they can build a digital signature that is you, and they can target that signature and know what to advertise without knowing who you are.
Yep, anti-fingerprinting is a bunch of smaller features, like not auto setting dark theme, not sharing your timezone, not sharing your specific browser version and so on.
My plan is usually, Librewolf for everything. Waterfox when I’m going to log in to the service anyways. Mullvad browser when my customized librewolf(not advised) breaks websites. Ungoogled Chromium when needed because of engine(e.g. testUfo).
I rented a movie the other day online that wanted real full fat Google chrome to be able to stream on Linux. I installed it in a sandbox, locked it down right, then promptly uninstalled it 3 hours later when the movie was over. Never again.
Fandango at home, for anyone wondering which service absolutely requires full fat Google chrome
At that point just get a dvd player…
I don’t want to own a copy of James Cameron’s Avatar The Way Of Water. I have a 4k BR Player and a libredrive for ripping and wouldve just purchased it if I cared to ever watch it again
Sometimes I only want to watch a movie once, my partner was dragging me to the new one and I hadn’t seen the second one so I needed context.
My problem with LibreWolf is when Firefox eventually dies, what happens to the codebase upstream?
The same question could be asked about Chromium, though. When Google completely enshittifies the engine, what happens to every browser based on it?
Shit everywhere.
maybe we’ll get lucky and they just stop adding bullshit and one of the forks just keeps fixing vulnerabilities and adding things required for the out of control standards that ditched even version numbers lol.
I rather use IE than brave
Someone here on Lemmy recently recommended Vivaldi to me.
Whoever you were, thanks. I like it. Good recommendation.
If you want eye candy then there’s zen browser to escape Chromium.
Good Call!
I ended up messing with that on my Mac about a year ago, and I don’t recall having any substantial complaints. I’ve recently been forced into using Windows 11 at least for a few months, maybe I’ll see how Zen does on this abomination.
Thanks.
Let’s go back to carrier pigeons.
“Aw fuck yeah, meme bird comes today with more memes!”
Hilarious
Now if someone would just replicate the other layers
