I’m gonna guess this sort of thing is more the rule than the exception. The goal isn’t to deport actual gang members, it’s to signal a tough-on-illegal-immigration policy without the challenge that comes with actually deporting people who aren’t trying to be found. So they just deport law abiding people who are easier to find because the reality doesn’t matter.
The illegal part seems to be optional in some cases, based on skin tone.
also dont want to scare off too many “illegal immigrants” that are being employed by red states that sustains thier economy too.
Can somebody shoot the ICE agents already? Your stupid guns are all show. No difference whether you have any at all…
I’ve personally heard a few people say that’s exactly their plan. It’s basically “I’m a citizen but I’m brown so I’m fucked either way. I might as well make em work for it since the end result for me will be the same regardless. If I’m gonna get taken down, I might as well make it worth it. Why wait to die in an El Salvadorian prison, when I can go out where it’ll at least make some headlines?”
Again, I have heard several people say things like this individually. I fully believe it’ll happen eventually, as soon as they try to stop the wrong person.
Most people left-of-center in the US are too afraid to touch a gun. Meanwhile the far-right collect guns like trophies.
Guns mean nothing if the “good guys” continue having their fantasy of non-violence.
Edit: And while there might be individuals left-of-center who do have guns, it doesn’t acomplish anything unless we have a lot of them also collectively take up arms to defend against tyranny, as in an organized militia.
There are currently more right-wing militias than any left-wing ones.
Most people left-of-center in the US are too afraid to touch a gun.
The number of left of center people in the gun license course I took last year indicate that that may be changing.
Even with increasing gun control in Canada many Canadians are wanting to get armed. Also many Canadians disagree with thr brazen and sweeping bans on so many rifles.
The problem is that the wrong people have guns in the US. Most of the left ignorantly believes that they can get by without, when half the country is armed and is practically begging their god emperor to say the word.
Well Trump essentially made it official yesterday that even if someone is imprisoned by mistake it will not be reversed
And if you are someone he doesn’t like, for your views, your skin color, your accent, your sexual orientation, your gender, your education, your occupation, your ethnicity, the way you look at him, or how you don’t fawn over him enough or fall behind with your protection payments, he’ll have you “accidentally” kidnapped and imprisoned for life or until the Salvadoran authorities decide you’re a waste of resources and kill you.
Bottom line: if you weren’t born here, you’re getting thrown out, and NOTHING will stop them, including a Green Card or Naturalization.
Eventually, it won’t even matter if you were born here, and are a full natural American-born citizen, from generations of American-born citizens. If they don’t like you, you’re gone.
They’re already admiting they are targeting US citizens.
This is why he’s selling those dipshit citizenship gold Visa’s. He gets your money and he’ll still just send you to El Salvador.
Of course, realize that being a natural born us citizen isn’t going to stop them at some point. When they have eliminated whomever they deem a problem, it won’t be missing accomplished, it will just be time to modify the parameters of who a problem person is
Both the American and El Salvadoran heads of state have stated that neither is able to return people sent from the US to CECOT.
In other words, this man will die in CECOT.
Trump has the “excuse” of having to depend on El Salvador for this but there’s no way Bukele has no control over their prison system. This is the same guy that had the weight to “sanitize” El Salvador of criminals, i’m sure there’s nothing within El Salvador’s borders this guy can’t control.
In other words, this man will die in CECOT.
This guy is likely already dead, which would also be the only somewhat logical explanation as to why Nayib can’t return him.
According to the original article, he was here legally waiting until their court date in 2027 to see a judge. He is not a US citizen, but he also is not an “illegal alien.”
No alleged history of crime. No crime in process when detained. Was following the immigration process.
If anyone wants to argue with you about others who have been detained and deported as being “criminals” or “illegals,” this should be evidence to the fact that it isn’t true and ICE doesn’t care. We’re in the slippery slope now.
He should have got the Gold card instead of the Green card, they are the only immigrants safe from deportation now and it’ll cost you $5m for that peace of mind.
There’s no slope. We’re at the ‘‘you didn’t stop this when it was stoppable’’
It’s going to be stopped when people stop whining on Internet forums and do something
Now? We’re damn near the bottom of the mountain at this point.
I really fear that this is just the beginning of much worse things to come.
Looks like if you re approached by ICE, you need to assume it’s a kidnapping.
Indeed, do not cooperate and fight back. They are NOT a legal authority. If they have a uniformed officer with them (state or city), demand the officer arrest you instead. It MAY be worth it to cause a scuffle and get arrested for assault, which could be dropped as self defense. I’m not a lawyer though, just my opinion. You have to fight these assholes. Get the low level pukes into court and tied up fighting charges. Make them scared to do their master’s bidding.
And being sent to El Salvador is a death sentence. I would act in self-defense appropriately.
Glad to hear it. State law is not your friend, and now, it’s your enemy. If you’re targeted, the vest that says POLICE (or ICE) means nothing. They are just people in a fancy outfit. They’re still there to intrude and fuck up your life.
Laying down doesn’t save these people any more.Laying down doesn’t save them anymore? Never has.
Because it 100% is a kidnapping. This is so freaking dangerous and entrapping.
And compliance will not save you
At this point, you’re fucked, might as well arm yourself. Rather go out like that then be tortured in a foreign prison.
This, or republican representatives growing a spine/conscience, are the only ways this stops.
The first of those is a non-starter, so what I’m saying is, this is the ONLY way this stops.
I’m Canadian who hates guns, and my wife is Bolivian. We live in rural Saskatchewan, but in light of “51st state” talk we have have purchased firearms and hit the gun range a few times in the last couple months. Do we think the two of us can stop the US military, should it come to that? Of course not. Have we had the conversation about what we would do and what we’re willing to sacrifice together for our country? Goddamn right we have. We have a pretty good life and are fairly well off- but we’re both absolutely fine going out together and taking out as many MAGA shitheads out as we can, if needed. If we had young kids the calculus would maybe be a bit different- but we don’t, and it isn’t.
All this to say, if we lived in the US, we would absolutely be armed to the teeth.
I know I mentioned reacting with violence, but I’m at a crossroads. I’m in a red state. Do we put our heads down and wait for an organized resistance? Do we go blasting? Thing with violence is, it affects more than the intended people. If I were to actually fight against the forces that be, they would also go after my family. Everyone around me seems to think guns and blasting away…but violence definitely has a consequence.
I’m also drunk rn and don’t know what else can calm my nerves for this timeline. The only thing that brings me hope is being a community organizer and seeing the hope in peoples faces. I’m doing the most I can in a non-violent way. I’m scared when I have to make that decision to change the course.
If I were to actually fight against the forces that be, they would also go after my family.
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn’t fight back their families are safe?
Do you believe that because the disappeared people didn’t fight back their families are safer?
What don’t understand is- if the US “left” is so committed to non-violence, why have we not seen a tech-rebellion? Why is there no cyber-“terrorism” or white hat hackers fighting this shit? Democrats have spent the last four decades loudly and proudly insisting that they’re smarter than the ignorant conservatives- so why aren’t they hard at work at outsmarting them?
Without that last resort, violence is going to have to be what it comes down to.
Totally understand, but violence dose have consequences to those you love. That’s why I’m at a crossroads.
Not a cartoon anymore.
Never was.
He’s higher on that chart than Griffin though… Need to move Not Okay just below the top square.
He’s higher on that chart than Griffin though… Need to move Not Okay just below the top square.
He’s higher on that chart than Griffin though… Need to move Not Okay just below the top square.
No gang ties, no criminal history, not even from that country.
We are the baddies.
It’s a shame, there was a scene cut where Captain America walks by a building showing graffiti art of his helmet with the word ‘fascist’ in red on it, causing him to sigh and toss it off. I don’t think he wore it again until Endgame, where they incorporated it into the time travel suit.
Wish that scene should’ve been kept in, and had a bit more focus on Steve Rodgers questioning if he truly was working for organizations that believed what he did. A crisis of faith moment for him instead of a quick 3-second pass with a joke from Hawkeye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7g7stCb4qY&ab_channel=cutiesmolbaby
We always have been the baddies
I think there are a lot of people who honestly mean well. Have been in the past, and likely still are. But what we have right now, to take a cue from Komodo up above with his Captain American post, this is like real-world Captain America: Winter Soldier, where it looks like overnight we’ve suddenly become a fascist nation. Sad reality though is, like that movie, things have been going on for decades that led us to this point.
I’m not optimistic about our near future. Shit looks grim. But, I’m optimistic that we can eventually fight our way out of it, and hopefully correct things after whatever needs to be done, is done. Got to have some hope, otherwise there’s no point in holding on at all.
I feel you, by “baddies” I’m more referring to the powers that be in America. You and I are just victims to their bullshit that they subject us all to so they can play their little capitalist games. Yeah the future looks frightening for sure and this really sucks but hopefully it’ll at least be a catalyst to a better future. Like Samwise said, the good in this world is worth fighting for and that’s exactly what I’m going to do. What we’re heading into won’t be sustainable and hopefully people wake up and it does seem to be happening a lot more lately. While it looks grim, we will be supported by like minded people so we’re not alone and we’re growing every day
Yeah and the origin of the “are we the baddies?” skit was about guys fighting for the bad guys (that Mitchell and Webb show). Most of us (especially on Lemmy, .ml/hexbear excluded) are anti-fascist, but stuck in a place with very little power to make it stop. We can protest and lots of us will throw wrenches in the works when possible. But many will be seriously hurt when they act, and have families and dependents to provide for.
We’re working to survive and hopefully emigrate and join a resistance in Canada or Europe or Asia, that can fight the fascists externally.
I love Mitchell and Webb. Peep Show is one of my favorite shows ever. Yeah I would absolutely be down for emigrating especially if a third of the country is down with this shit and another third doesn’t seem to care either way. Hope all this shit works out for the better
Lol, the “fairness meter” says unfair left leaning. The article is literally just stating what occurred. ❄️
Reality has always had a heavy leftist bias.
Facts have a liberal bias.
If you didn’t vote it doesn’t show the result.
So it just defaults to unfair left?
Not really. There is no default value and the UI renders the initial needle state as being off the chart.
Click the unfair left and see what happens (it does not automatically submit your vote).
Yeah it’s not the greatest UI. It’s in its “resting” state like in a car, but it makes it look like it’s so far left it’s off the charts. They should just not have the needle until you vote.
Got it. Thanks for the info! That is a little misleading how they have it.
What’s the “fairness meter”?
it’s a meter that says it’s only fair if you criticize the party that wants you to have some healthcare and the party that wants to blackbag random people to send them to torture prisons equally.
Welcome to the Fourth Reich
Forcibly remove first, ask questions later is going to soon end up kidnapping random people out of the country…
Conservative excuses and goalposts will adapt as we go along:
- but look, he was supposed to be deported anyway (Abrego Garcia)
- doesn’t matter that he has a valid asylum case, he came here illegally so he should be kicked out (Gutiérrez)
- If you don’t want to support America, you shouldn’t have a green card (Mahdawi)
- he looks like he came from out of the country and he helps illegal migrants anyway, too bad he’s a US citizen
- these were people spewing violent rhetoric about Trump and America, take them out of the country if they don’t want to be here
- hey wait, this is a mistake!? (future kidnapped Conservative)
(Formerly American) Conservatives in CECOT: You can’t detain me, I have a rights!
Trump administration: Do you feel like you have rights?
“Soon end up” … my dude, it 100% already is. This article is exactly that. A random kidnapping and booting.
It’s already resulting in them kidnapping random people out of the country.
If anybody is wondering what conservatives think, they haven’t yet gotten their instructions for this particular case yet
They’re all cumming their brains out to this shit
Wilmer Gutiérrez last spoke to his son on March 16 during a brief call allowed by police. He had spent days searching for information, visiting police stations and courthouses, only to be told there was no record of his son.
Are American law enforcement just reading Nazi history and emulating it at this point?
“Oh yeah, they did this in 1942 so we should do that too!! … Kristallnacht? … oh yeah, we gotta do that one too! … and book burnings and maybe a giant parade or a mass rally with flags and shit”
More like the Cheka in the Soviet Union that just kidnapped anyone they found on the street to meet a quota.
Insane.
MAGA
