BUTTERY MALES!!!
THIS IS WORSE BECAUSE A DEMONCRAT DID IT!!!
The GOPs favorite strip club
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Don’t misgender him…
BUTT TIZZY MALES!!!
Jesus fucking Christ is everyone a complete idi- . . . oh.
Yes. Yes everyone is a complete idiot.
Shit.
BUTWHATABOUTHILLARYBLARARARAGGGHHH
WHARBGARBL
SWLABR
HAMBURGLER!!
Geeeez, those males are soaked in margarine
I can’t believe its not
Oleo
Hilary is laughing her ass off right now.
No, Hilary is facepalming with a “Jesus tapdancing Christ” right now
I think her response was literally “Jesus Christ are you serious?” About the signal thing, if they do nothing here she can sue for malicious prosecution and probably succeed under ftca.
Hilary is enjoying her impunity just like these other politicians will.
Seems like they’re going to have Waltz take the fall for all of this. He must have had Jeffrey Goldberg in his contacts list to add him on the Signal chat, and Trump probably thinks he’s been in contact with Goldberg and therefore not 100% loyal to Trump. Getting rid of Mike Waltz over using Gmail improperly would isolate the impact to just him, rather than everyone on the Signal chat.
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Elon Musk is the one running things.
I feel it’s more of a mix. Elon is in charge of breaking the government with reckless abandon, Stephen is in charge of weaponizing what’s left of the government against minorities.
You know, the previous dictator trump and friends are emulating with Temu-quality hardware would have executed his subordinate for something like this to not appear weak.
I wonder what happens next.
Here’s the archive link for the original WP article on this for anyone who wants to read the full article.
Copy and pasting from a similar thread - tldr is that lapses in infosec are fucked because it’s a direct attack on YOUR security; and any official info running through other-than-official channels is fucked because that’s an attack on your rights as a citizen by circumventing FOIA or accountability. When that happens, you should be pissed off regardless of which side of the aisle the culprit resides on.
Anyway…
I keep seeing Hillary’s server brought up to highlight the red team’s hypocrisy, but there’s some introspection to be had for us as well on that topic.
Hillary’s email server was one of many stepping stones on the path of increasingly fucked infosec. Now, the vast majority of neanderthals foaming at the mouth over her emails only gave a damn about it because of the (D) next to her name, but those idiots getting angry at it for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean it wasn’t a big deal.
My perspective on all that when the story was first breaking: I was fairly new e-nothing junior enlisted medic in the USAF. The closest thing to classified info I ever dealt with was ‘confidential’ medical shit covered by HIPAA, and like people’s social security numbers. That’s it. But even with zero-access to military secrets, at the absolute rock-bottom of the chain of command, I still had to take lengthy infosec courses every year (or every quarter? idr) to ensure I knew how to identify and properly handle classified information. Fuckups in infosec are NOT tolerated: like if I took a single page of classified info home without authorization, that’d be a court martial / potential jail time / stripped of rank / dishonorable discharge level offense. Then we have a fucking Secretary of State - someone who handles classified info all the time and should be a subject matter expert on the do’s and don’ts of it - running her own shady-ass server away from the prying eyes of FOIA, claiming to not recognize classified indicators?? Then before anything could be done about it, we got the whole bleach-bit and hammer-to-harddrives scene, so some nice destruction of evidence as the cherry on top.
100% we should have crucified her.
Just like we should have crucified the dipshits before her using private email platforms like gmail or some shit to send or receive official / classified communication. Every one of those fuckers knew better.
Then Trump happens and makes everything prior, Hillary and all, look like fucking j-walking compared to the scale and blatancy of his crimes. ‘Crucified’ doesn’t even begin to describe what needs to happen to that fucking traitor.
…but the dismissiveness regarding the email server does kinda strike a nerve for me - she fucked up BAD, and we dropped the ball by not holding her accountable, as that left the door open for dipshits like Trump to continue the trend of worse and worse infosec.
Again, it’s peanuts compared to Trump - I hate writing shit like this for even the flicker of a possibility of drawing a false equivalence. There is no equivalence here. But I really wish we’d collectively change our tone about handwaving the ‘buttery males!’ shit because it is hypocritical to do that and then get pissy about the red team’s conceptually-similar-albeit-orders-of-magnitude-more-severe fuckups.
At the end of the day, we should expect our leaders to do their job and do it correctly. If they don’t, then get angry - it’s your security they’re playing with. None of them get the benefit of the doubt, regardless of which color their campaign stickers are.
A weather report can be classified. Something that’s been published in the NY Times might be classified.
Something the Secretary of State writes themselves might be classified. Even saying “I was talking to Prime Minster whoever last week” could be classified even when there’s a photo of the Sec State standing next that Prime Minister on the front page of that country’s biggest newspaper.
There is no risk if someone stamps something innocuous as classified, but there’s hell to pay if something that’s sensitive doesn’t get stamped classified. So a lot of shit is labelled classified when it doesn’t need to be.
Not all classified information is about a military operation that’s set to kick off in a few hours.
Hillary Clinton was very thoroughly investigated and the classified information was a big nothing-burger. Or do you honestly believe the Trump administration gave her a pass because they’re benevolent?
running her own shady-ass server away from the prying eyes of FOIA
It’s illegal to use government property for campaign purposes. Obviously Clinton was working towards a presidential campaign (she was working towards it her entire life) so the laws necessitated her to have emails related to that not be on a government server (government property).
Sorry, Hilary’s emails wasn’t anything. You were just told that over and over again until it started to sound like there might be something to it. But it was nothing.
A weather report can be classified. Something that’s been published in the NY Times might be classified … could … could … could … could … could …
Not all classified information is about a military operation that’s set to kick off in a few hours.
…and? Not all classified info is benign shit either. I didn’t personally assess the contents of Hillary’s server, or Bush’s server, or all the idiots using private email, but I’m not going to give any of them the benefit of the doubt and assume their specific infractions are harmless. Fuck that. They know the rules, they need to follow them.
Hillary Clinton was very thoroughly investigated and the classified information was a big nothing-burger. Or do you honestly believe the Trump administration gave her a pass because they’re benevolent?
Nothing ever happens to any of these dipshits. Every fucking administration gives the one before it a pass for this shit, and that’s what makes me so mad about it this. It needs to stop.
It’s illegal to use government property for campaign purposes. Obviously Clinton was working towards a presidential campaign (she was working towards it her entire life) so the laws necessitated her to have emails related to that not be on a government server (government property).
It’s also illegal to store classified info on the non-government machine you’re using to run a campaign. Classification aside, is it really too much to expect her to know the difference between work related vs private communication? Most people have a pretty solid hold on that about 5 minutes after accepting their first job that requires them to use a company/agency email…
Sorry, Hilary’s emails wasn’t anything. You were just told that over and over again until it started to sound like there might be something to it. But it was nothing.
No, I was active duty when the situation was first breaking, and joined the DoD in a collective facepalm and angry “this shit again?!” cuz if any of us did it, we’d be court martialed.
You may not want it to be anything, and you might try to rationalize that by assuming a best case scenario or contrasting it against fuckers like Trump who are orders of magnitude worse, but that doesn’t give Hillary or anyone before or after her a pass.
That’s all bipartisan system and predetermined positions. Can’t attack your own camp because at the pres race you’d hurt already choosen pres candidate and would be seen as your own camp’s traitor to target so-called allies. Even after she is irrelevant, for it gives a signal you can do this to everyone else, and gives free fuel to the opponent’s platform. Playing favorites in cases of infosec breachea seems wild, but here we are.
Since it was dropped in the heat of the race, I can get why it was downplayed as a rep-based attack on Hilary, but she’s still okay after all of that, and I fear, she is still pickable for the next pres race instead of any other better candidate.
In the heat of the race, absolutely. As shitty as it is, that’s strategy. Leading up to the 2024 election I was PISSED at the Biden campaign over its ongoing support for genocide; but I kept that shit to myself. It would have done no good to whine about ‘genocide joe’ if all that could accomplish is ‘10x worse genocide don’. Was ready to vote for Biden, then they switched to Harris, and same complaint, same silence, and same vote plan - she got my vote. …not that that did any good.
Same with Hillary. I didn’t like her either, but in a race of her vs Trump it’s no contest - she looks like a literal angel next to the orange traitor. So I kept the criticism to myself in hopes of walking out of it with the lesser evil.
Both times, we got the greater evil. Cuz collectively we’re some combination of apathetic, stupid, or evil.
I’m sure this will be prosecuted just as heavily as Hillary was.
Hillary wasn’t prosecuted, though she probably should have been. But, she was grilled by government committees for many hours.
So we know what to expect.
I mean, they investigated it so thoroughly and decided it wasn’t criminal
Deciding not to prosecute isn’t necessarily the same as deciding it wasn’t criminal.
Fair enough, but I stand by the point I was making
Do you think they would have prosecuted if it had been a low level employee doing the same thing? Running their own private email server, doing government business on that server?
I think they would have, that’s why I think it’s important to note that they chose not to prosecute her despite it being something that would have been prosecuted for other less powerful people.
Was it as big a deal as the GOP made of it? No. But, it’s still a rule that everybody else has to follow or they get charged.
Wait… So you admit that she was grilled by people who had every intention of destroying her career, and that those people never brought criminal charges… But they should have?
Do you know more than the people who spent way too much time investigating it? Why should she have been prosecuted?
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This is okay because it’s not a personal server.
This is ok because it’s us and not them.
Self-hosted?
GOP: National security is our utmost priority!
Meanwhile:
yet none of their voter base will care…
Lock him up!
I’m sure this time he has learned his lesson.
Worst part is there’s going to be someone even more incompetent after him and no one will even remember this guy in a few weeks
Buttery maaaaales
Butties emails
