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    Polls don’t mean shit. Vote. Write in your fucking grandma for all I care but vote, and bring your friends. Make a party of it. Or sign up for mail in ballot if you still can, and tell your friends, family, strangers in the grocery line, coworkers, scream into the black void. VOTE.

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    But confusingly, Trump has continued to send Vance out to campaign events all week, while the Republican presidential nominee has remained largely out of the public eye. Given Vance’s low appeal, it’s unclear how this strategy helps the campaign.

    Trump is going to blame Vance for the failure of his campaign, calling it now. He’ll have the usual shit about dems as well, but he’s going to scapegoat vance and throw him under the bus just like he’s done with literally everyone else before him.

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      After trying to have his last Veep hung, I’m not really sure why anybody would think it would go any different for them. I guess he found another thoroughbred narcissist to join him this time. “It couldn’t possibly happen to me.”

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        The thing that almost got Pence killed was having a tiny shred of respect for his responsibilities. That’s not a problem for someone who’s completely self-serving or all in for Trump.

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      I don’t quite understand this reasoning, though, since he would never acknowledge losing anyway and his freedom may rely on winning this election.

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        That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. <----- And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

        That’s why. He’ll jump to number six after he loses, saying the GOP didn’t support him enough and they deserved to lose.

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        his freedom may rely on winning this election

        If he were ever in danger of actual imprisonment, he could always move to Russia or Saudi Arabia.

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        If they get to a point where they know they cannot win the race, they will shift tactics and it will no longer be about the election, but about the peaceful transfer of power in January. Biden himself came out and said it yesterday, I think there is a real, genuine concern of Trump and his base “flipping the board” so to speak.

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        But Trumps only reason for president is to dismiss the federal charges against him.

        That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Trump wants another stab at the Prez because he wants to settle scores. This wouldn’t just be an attempt at a self-pardon. He fully intended to unleash his DOJ and law enforcement on the political opposition.

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        Trump has had more ramblings and incoherent moments than ever before recently. I think his team is hiding him so he can recover somehow because his dementia is just unraveling

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        With the Supreme Court and Judge Cannon in his pocket, he will never see the inside of a prison cell.

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    trump knows that winning by votes is off the table. he doesn’t care. votes and vice presidents don’t matter when your plan is to take over by force

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        his muppets in congress, state legislatures, and trailer parks will be doing everything for him. like before, the only thing trump will do is shout “election fraud” every 5 seconds

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          I don’t think it will work. Governors certify the votes, and every swing state except Georgia has a Dem governor. And the governor of Georgia hates Trump.

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          It’s getting really hard to claim fraud the more Republicans that are coming out against him. If he loses the popular vote by 10-20 percent, that is a real big percent to claim was fraud. But then again if he loses the popular vote by 10-20 percent and he gets the courts to overturn the election there are going to be some riots to get us to abolish the electoral college bullshit.

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            But then again if he loses the popular vote by 10-20 percent and he gets the courts to overturn the election there are going to be some riots to get us to abolish the electoral college bullshit.

            I would hope that the riots would be aiming to do more than that – namely, not letting them act with blatant tyranny to coronate a dictator in the first place.

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          Look, I hear what you’re saying. I’m disgusted by the way Trump faced almost no repercussions for January 6th with so much damning evidence against him.

          Last time he literally tried to have his own VP killed by a mob working under his direction while he sat and watched Fox News and refused to respond to the Capitol being attacked.

          Even if he tries that again, Biden will call out the National Guard immediately, and I imagine that they will be prepared for a repeat attack this coming January anyway.

          Things will not go down the same way again.

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          Granted.

          But where is their intelligence, counter-intelligence, surveillance, counter-surveillance, 5 eyes, the biggest military-industrial complex, organization, planning, infrastructure, communications, and the thousands of other advantages that the current President and -elect have at their fingertips?

          Not downplaying the threat or likelihood, but if it happens, there’s 0% possibility of them succeeding at anything short of mass suicide.

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          Who gives a shit? He’s not an elected official. And even when he was president and attempted the coup, they weren’t successful because of how fucking stupid they are. We have the military on our side this time.

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    Looks like people are ok with an old racist rapist with dementia, but fucking a couch is where the line is drawn.

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        Putting an e on the end of potato basically ended his political career and now Trump supporters shout “covfefe” because they think it’s somehow smart. I think about that a lot.

        Or the fact that people largely see the photo that Dukakis took in a tank as the moment HW Bush won the 88 election - compared to Trump’s photo op in a Fire Truck…

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          Or when Howard Dean “ruined” his political career by whooping at a rally because it “wasn’t presidential.”

          Our expectations are so low right now that putting together two cogent sentences could literally mean that you win the election.

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        The 90s: “How could we ever put someone in charge who’s so stupid he can’t even spell potato?”

        George W. Bush: “Watch this drive”

        Donald J. Trump: “unintelligible gibberish”

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        I would argue they were just better at hiding the same type of shit these modern politicians are thinking and saying. Now it’s just acceptable. Then you had Howard Dean dooming himself for a cowboy scream.

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      Worst is subjective. I’d argue that Cheney’s support of blood for oil and Halliburton rebuild scheme was far worse than anything Quayle did.

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          Agreed. Despite Vance’s inability to please a crowd, he’s more on the “Cheney dangerous” side of the spectrum than “Quayle dumb.”

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      Simpler times. He gave us these nuggets of wisdom:

      • “You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one’s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is”
      • “The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. … No, not our nation’s, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century, but in this century’s history”
      • “I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future”
      • “I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy, but that could change”
      • “potatoe” (when trying to “correct” a 12-yr old’s spelling of “potato”)
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        Everyone loves a redemption arc. But how sad is it that the ‘potatoe’ guy was the voice of reason who helped save American democracy in it’s darkest hour (so far!). We really are living through Idiocracy!

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    Let’s be real, JD Vance was picked by the party to be the adult in the room who can actually get Project 2025 passed under Trump since Trump doesn’t care about Project 2025 and just wants what’s best for himself at that moment and to be a petty little bitch

    Also worth noting that Vance has no personality. When asked in Eau Claire, WI “why should a voter want to have a beer with you” he responded “uh I uh haha um I actually like beer haha” (he also tried to sidestep a question about Tim Walz by saying “we aren’t talking about Minneapolis policy, were talking about Wisconsin” while literally standing 1 hour’s drive from Minneapolis

    And when asked “what makes you smile” instead of any sane answer he answered “insane questions from biased reporters like you!” Then followed it with waffling about how he loves his job so much while forcing the fakest smile you’ve ever seen

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      Fuck that’s such an easy layup of a question too. You just respond, “because I’m buying”. No positions to attack, potentially makes you look human, and maybe costs you a beer.

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      IMHO they want Vance for one reason: Trump thinks he can control him, but Vance’s actual master, Theil, will have Vance 25th amendment the orange asshat on day one - giving Theil the whitehouse.

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        The Vice President can’t do that without “a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” on their side. That can’t happen without either the aid of people that Trump would have to select (and he’s notorious for picking toadies) or Congress passing a bill to create a body to evict him.

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          has any of the last 8 fucking years been realistic?

          if I told you the president would respond to a hurricain in puerto rico by tossing paper towels at a crowd, would that have been realistic?

          what about a president calling dead veterans suckers?

          or how about a president sitting silently while a mob he stoked stormed the capital calling for the hanging of his own veep?

          does anything in this entire shitshow of a timeline strike you as realistic?

          I REST MY CASE

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      Also the Ohio thing makes sense when you look at the Senate map. There are exactly two remotely competitive races, Montana and Ohio. Ohio is leaning blue and Montana is leaning red. Picking JD boosts Ohio and Trump is campaigning in Montana right now. Those choices were both made when Biden was still in so seemingly the idea was to secure the Senate and grab an extra seat or two so it’s not razor tight and vulnerable to RINOs.

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    Good. Don’t care. Behave like the polls show Harris two points behind. Get everyone you know to commit to voting. Offer to drive them to vote. Get them to bring their friends.

    I’m genuinely thrilled to see Harris getting people energized and moving the needle, but complacency is our enemy.

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    Donald is sending this hated guy around to campaign solely because Donald is a low-energy geriatric suffering from dementia. He is far too old to be president.

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      Wish people actually believed this, rather than just tossing it out as a barb. Wouldn’t mind seeing a statutory requirement for Presidents to be under the age of 75. But it would never see the light of day in our gerontocracy.

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        “People” meaning voters? Because I’m pretty sure the people tossing the barb believe it. I certainly do. It’s not the worst thing about Trump by far, but it’s a problem nonetheless.

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          Because I’m pretty sure the people tossing the barb believe it.

          “Age doesn’t matter because Trump is worse” was the refrain on this sub for months.

          It’s not the worst thing about Trump by far

          That’s the problem with any kind of generic critique. If you’re always carving out an exception because it’s a two party system where one party always sucks, then “He’s too old” has no substance. You’re going to vote for whatever the only acceptable party feeds you, whether its a spry young cop-loving prosecutor from California or an 80 year old Senatorial mummy from Delaware.

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            Age isn’t relevant when you’re choosing between two people who are the same age. That’s no longer the case, so age is now a distinguishing factor.

            Anyway, my gripe with the age talk wasn’t that age doesn’t matter; it was that Biden was being hammered on it as if Trump is somehow better in that regard.

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              Anyway, my gripe with the age talk wasn’t that age doesn’t matter; it was that Biden was being hammered on it as if Trump is somehow better in that regard.

              Pretty much this. People kept harping about Biden’s issues with speaking due to his age while somehow completely ignoring that Trump makes no sense in his blathering rambling at any point and hasn’t made any sense in years, but I wonder how much of that was manufactured by MAGA hats because age is literally the only sane argument they had against Biden. Reading transcripts of Trump’s bull shit was mind-numbing and he’s pushing 80 too.

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              Age isn’t relevant when you’re choosing between two people who are the same age.

              Are you suggesting that you’d support a Trump campaign if he’d been 20 years younger?

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                Hell no, and I already said it’s not the most important factor. But in a sane world where both candidates are decent people, age could very well be a deciding factor for me.

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                  But in a sane world where both candidates are decent people

                  The partisan divide is predicated on assuming your rivals aren’t good people. That’s why everyone loves calling each other Tankies and Communists/Fascists and foreign shills.

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    I got so much concern trolling for saying Biden was bad and should step down. People accused me of wanting fascism. They insisted I was naive and we should be standing behind Biden.

    I just want to say to those people: you were wrong. Dumping Biden has wildly hurt Trump’s chances, and you were the ones arguing against it.

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      I was definitely one of those people that thought we should stick with Biden because his name was known, and that we were too close to the election to get a new candidate enough exposure to be competitive. It wasn’t that I thought Biden was the best choice for president, just that I thought the timing was too tight.

      I’m so happy to be wrong about this. The enthusiasm for Harris is fantastic, and she’s doing great with the spotlight on her. The candidate switch has stolen the media attention from Trump and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t know how to handle it. Younger people are more interested in voting, minorities are more interested in voting, women are more interested in voting - it’s fucking great.

      I was wrong. And I couldn’t be happier about it.

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        I’m with you. I wasn’t sure we should stick with Biden, but I wasn’t sure we shouldn’t, either. Being an incumbent does count for something, and I’d never heard people being that excited about Harris. To be it was whatever gave us the best chance of keeping Trump from winning.

        But I couldn’t be happier with how it’s turning out, and I very much hope we can keep the momentum going.

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        I also thought it was too late to replace Biden and they should have done it at least six months earlier. But now I think the timing is pretty much perfect.

        Republicans focused all their efforts on bashing Biden instead of getting people excited for their own policies. Now that whole campaign has just imploded on itself and there’s not enough time to come up with and enact something new. Plus, Harris and Walz have all the attention now, they dominate the news.

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          I think there would be enough time if the Republicans brought in the cavalry, i e. experienced spinners of truth and benders, if not breakers, of rules like Karl Rove. But even for these people with absolutely no regard for political mores the maga movement is too extreme to stomach. Too many of the GOP brain trust have been alienated, which is a stroke of luck for the Dems.

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        I mean, sometimes it is (like when the thing they disagree with is “2+2=4”, or “global warming exists,” or some other objective statement of fact that isn’t really up for debate). But this is not one of those cases.

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      I am happy to admit I was wrong, I really thought Biden was the best shot this late in the race. I grossly underestimated how strong and positive the response would be for Harris, given her performance during her previous presidential run. It feels fantastic to be wrong.

      With that said, I think it’s a bad faith argument to lump all concern together as concern trolling. If enthusiasm had been weak, the shoe could have just as easily been on the other foot, with countless armchair politicians lamenting those ‘fascist agitators’ who convinced Biden to drop out, thereby handing Donnie Dipshit the presidency.

      Hindsight is 20/20, I’m just glad we’re still in this.

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        With that said, I think it’s a bad faith argument to lump all concern together as concern trolling. If enthusiasm had been weak, the shoe could have just as easily been on the other foot, with countless armchair politicians lamenting those ‘fascist agitators’ who convinced Biden to drop out, thereby handing Donnie Dipshit the presidency.

        Hindsight is 20/20, I’m just glad we’re still in this.

        I don’t think you are listening, people were saying this over and over again BEFORE Biden stepped down, we didn’t need hindsight, YOU did because you refused to listen.

        I love that y’all admit you were wrong superficially but then insult people who have been making strong arguments for quite a long time that Biden should step down and not run again with statements like “well, who could have known!” with a happy shrug.

        We did and people like you almost cost us the election. Do you understand how dangerous a role people like you played in shutting down criticism of Biden and attacking concerned Democrats like they were all Russia trollbots or something?

        You speak of the danger of divisiveness, of having democrats split up and fractured… hopefully you do realize that is PRECISELY what democrats shouting down concerns about Biden were doing? Can you at least see that in 20/20 hindsight?

        What have you learned that will lead you into NOT making the same potentially catastrophic miscalculation next time around?

        …because you realize y’all look like clowns in the wake of Harris raising 200 million and 170,000 volunteers in a week right?

        Honestly, you need to stop commenting on politics until you dismantle your world view and understanding of how US politics works please, you don’t understand very basic shit here. I don’t know what more proof you need than the last month or so of politics.

        Don’t give me this “Wow, happy surprise! Who woulda thought things could go so well!” nonsense, it is insulting and minimizing to those of us who have actually been paying attention and understood the political forces at play.

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      I was on that side a bit and the thinking was if we aren’t united behind Biden, tRUmp will divide and conquer the rest. I think we were just trying to show solidarity. we all knew he was weekend at Bernie-ING but didn’t think/know how positive it would be on this side of that decision. so for that, sorry.

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      I’ve been saying Biden shouldn’t run again since 2020 but I think it’s a bit premature to say we were right just yet. Things are going well so far but there’s still time for things to go wrong.

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      Absolutely. These libs were out in force calling us Russian bots.

      They’re the same libs who are now shushing us for calling out Kamala on being a genocide supporter.

      “If you want Donald Trump to win then keep saying that. Otherwise I’m speaking!” 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 yaaaasss queen!!!

      It’s sickening.

      The fact is that if Kamala were actually stand up to her fascist Israeli masters instead of being a meek little pawn she would only gain more respect and more people energised to vote for her.

      Chasing the Donald Trump genocide-voting crowd isn’t doing her any favors. Fuck those people. Actually stand for something and show you have a shred of humanity and real humans will be engaged.

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      I am so happy to be proven wrong. A pit of fear opened in my stomach when I read he dropped out.

      48 hours later I was coconut pilled and ready to volunteer for Harris.

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    Won’t anyone comfort j.d. vance through this difficult time? Anyone? Any…thing?

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      The thing about this meme is that it’s stuck so it works. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. You can just call him a couch fucker and it renders anything he says irrelevant.

      If you meet anyone who wants to talk about voting for the guy you just need to call them a couch fucker too and you’re done.

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    Don’t believe polls, they don’t mean anything. Go out and vote. It’s not over till it’s over. Otherwise we risk things going tits up again.

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      I think knowing that I will be undermining JD Vance (and Trump, of course) will be a gigantic motivator for me.

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      Yes, the good guys need to win overwhelmingly to overcome the bad guys cheating.

      It’s not fair, but that’s the system we have right now.

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    Doom is overstating things, especially with the fucking electoral college in the US and election shenanigans afoot in Georgia. Don’t lose focus!

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    Well, he’s an election denying Maga billionaires’ toady, that lacks any charisma, trashes where he came from and then hitches himself to someone he previously denounced in an effort to gain political power. Oh and he wants to completely ban abortion. He’s an unlikable political opportunist. It’s no wonder that the publics opinion of him will continue to drop.