• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    I may be stateside but i’m still amazed that a party that’s supposed to be truly left-leaning is putting out alt-right policies in the U.K.

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      It bugs me sometimes that Labour gets to claim it’s centre-left when it so consistently is fascist.

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          am i? they implement draconian mass surveilance measures, reinforce racism, and tolerate a shocking degree of transphobia. when i look at the things the labour party has done in my life, i see a littany right-wing populist actions that undermine left-wing populist movements. if we use the definition of fascism that fascism is right-wing populism undercutting left-wing populism, i find it hard to see Labour as something other than the slick clean wide smiling acceptable version of Britain’s Ur-Fascism spearheaded by the Conservative and Union Party

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            Yes, you are. If you go purely on definitions and comparisons to actual fascism, you’re wide off the mark. But sure, “vibes” is where we are these days with reasoning.

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    2 months ago

    Labour had a historical chance after the Tories have fucked it up so much, and they’re just doing shit all the time

    Hopefully the Green party can save UK

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      The Greens are anti nuclear nimbys, they would plunge the UK into even further trouble especially with their lala land economics. Their immigration policy is also troubling as in the world we currently live in near open borders would collapse the welfare system the UK currently has & also furthers brain drain from poorer countries.

      (I am not against immigration in principle but their stated policy on the matter is absolutely nuts, Marx wrote about how we should invest in the global south and help them up to better living standards, not decemate their domestic talent pool.)

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        Tounchosukd check out https://greensfornuclear.energy/

        They propose changing green party policy on energy to be more practical than idealist.

        When the green party is a minor party, being idealistic is more important. It helps to guide the policy of bigger parties to prevent losing votes to them. When they are bigger or wish to be involved in government, practical reasonable policy is more important.

        Regarding immigration, open borders can be the final ideal and that can be in a phased way. There is no problem with higher immigration if there are the resources to deal with it. In fact its a benefit for the host country and the immigrant, usually. Most economic migrants come seeking work not handouts. Most economic migrants work the jobs that locals don’t want to work. It does have a downward effect on wages, though.

        Like everything, gradual change to ideal policy is usually the best way forwards.

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          Thats nice but until their MPs stop trying to block vital infrastructure & continue to complain about nuclear projects ill never vote for them. Their current policy and actions are something that mean I will never vote for them unless its explicitly changed, which a campaign group doesnt satisfy.

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            2 months ago

            That’s fair but when tories are awful for generations, Labor are centre right at this point and lib Dems are useless and trust evaporates instantly, it limits your options.

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                That’s cloae enough to green and policies for the people, not the powerful for me. Only issue I have isbthatbforba party that wanted independence, thrybseemed to have no actual plan after the referendum. What would happen to pensions, government services, national insurance contributions etc. Now they won’t get a vote for years again and that’s after brecit, which was a reason to stay. There’s idealism and there’s competency!

    • 1D10@lemmy.world
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      The thing is they really don’t have grounds to ban “step” porn, but this will make their supporters think “he is going after them gross porn people” while downloading a VPN. It might have a chilling effect on porn producers, for a few minutes, but unless your porn had an actor explicitly state “I’m under 18” you are probably ok. I know this is UK based but the whole point of the law " act cool for my voters" is pretty universal.

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      If you read further you see this, though:

      “Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent”

      So it’s not just if they pretend to be under 18. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think they know either. I think they’re trying to score cheap political points.

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    When banging your step mum is legal but watching a fictional video of someone else banging their step mum is illegal 🤪 welcome to the UK ladies and gentlemen.

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      It’s legal if you submit your ID to the government and have it recorded in the masterbaitorbase that you whacked off to that video. What, don’t make it weird… /s

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      Well, it’s not really different to supporting a genocidal fascist dictatorship and declaring everyone who supports their victims “terrorists”…

      The world is an idiocracy and the majority of humanity are mentally ill. The world would not be as fucking stupid and insane as it is if the average person was logical.

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        …if the people weren’t intentionally under-educated and manipulated en masse for generations to prefer illogical, irrational, and self-destructive patterns by their respective “government”.

        FTFY.

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      To be fair, the headline is overblown since they are banning step-incest porn where one of the individuals is pretending to be underage.

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        Which begs the question of “what do they mean by pretending to be underage?” I seriously doubt any of the actors are going to claim to be underage in the video as that would get their videos removed from any mainstream platform. Another user suggested that this is based on body type meaning petite actresses are going to be the ones targeted as being “illegal” just for existing as they are despite being of age.

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          Yeah, it looks very vague and possible targeting videos that don’t exist, have no effect and still give Starmer a political win?

          Starmer could use it but his reverse hand of midas is going to turn it to shit no matter who.

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          if a 90 year old lady puts on a twintail wig and wears a skirt she’s going STRAIGHT to jail for 5 years, god bless the queen king

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    Banning porn where the actors pretend that what they’re doing is almost illegal is wild. What’s next, prison time if they say that one of the participants is just over the age of consent?

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      A key clause not included in the headline and only briefly mentioned in the article is that this doesn’t ban all step-porn. It only bans the step-porn if one of the actors pretends to be under 18.

      From gov.uk:

      The first of these vital measures will ban anyone from possessing or publishing harmful pornography that shows incest between family members, and sex between step or foster relations where one person is pretending to be under 18.

      A further amendment will criminalise the publication and possession of pornography where an adult is roleplaying as a child.

      (edited to update link)

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        Isn’t an adult pretending to be a child in porn already illegal? That seems like something that would always have been illegal.

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    As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.

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    abhorrent step incest porn, sure ban it, but what about good or hot step incest porn? We all know what that is when we see it, right?

    And if they want to add a prison scene to the end of thos step incest porn films those pornos then fine. Sounds pervy to me, but I dont judge what other people do in their bedrooms alone that doesnt hurt anyone because thats none of my fucking business, or anyone elses. People (and governments) should just leave other people alone unless it directly affects others.

    Starmer seems like a moron with this move.

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    2 months ago

    Sounds like someone got caught watching step sister porn, and is now throwing the weight of government behind his shame.

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    I don’t really get this. If the characters in the production are adults and not blood related how is it different than roommate porn?

    • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      the UK loves to control adults. they banned face sitting porn. there was a law where you a had to ask your ISP to allow you to see adult content (with the default being off). but I’m not sure how/if it was enforced because I lived there when they made their law and had no issues.

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      where one person pretends to be under-18

      The performers may be adults, but it seems the key thing is an assertion that one or more of the characters are underage.

      Which seems easy enough, two 18 year old step siblings. In fact, I don’t know how often they ever explicitly state an age for a character nor anything that would definitively make them underage otherwise.

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        yeah im not big on fiction being censored. granted though in the modern age with computer graphics and ai it sorta gets wierd since its possible one could not tell. still with obvious classical style art it should not matter or with scripts or whatever. I mean there are a few well know porn actresses that are small and lithe and their schtick is generally a pretend to be underage. You 100% know they are adults becuase of their fame.