JD Vance accused Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) of having “definitely committed immigration fraud” and said that he’d recently spoken with White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller about how best to “go after her.”

Speaking on a podcast hosted by MAGA influencer Benny Johnson on Friday, Vance was asked about claims that Omar had defrauded the United States by marrying her brother to secure his legal residency.

The unsubstantiated claim has circulated in MAGA circles for years but has been denied by Omar multiple times. The congresswoman was born in Somalia but moved to Minneapolis with her family in 1997, fleeing the civil war.

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    I will donate my entire paycheck in exchange for a chance to punch Stephen Miller in the face.

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    Of course. This is a fascist country. That’s what fascists do.

    We are one “terrorist” attack away from seeing who Republicans really are. The gallows will be a feature in your town.

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      Ilhan has been targeted by the entire Washington establishment since she took office.

      The US government cannot stomach a Somali community engaging in any form of self governance anywhere on earth

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    FINALLY they’re going AFTER the Illegal Immigrants STEALING American Jobs Businesses and Governments! BYE BYE South African Elon Musk! VOTED in Ilhan Omar?

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    Remember, Elon Musk was in America on a student visa but working for his brother’s company instead of attending school. That’s visa fraud, which you’re required to disclose on any subsequent visa or citizenship applications. He didn’t, so he’s also guilty of immigration fraud.

    Anyone who runs on seizing his assets and locking that illegal immigrant in a detention facility gets my vote

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      This. They will find any tiny problem if you’re against them… it will get worse when they decide people born from immigrant families are not American anymore. So they can go back generations

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      so he’s also actually guilty

      I know it’s such an insignificant word change, but it stabs at something I have to keep reminding myself: a single word can be the difference between correcting someone’s understanding of reality vs accidentally reinforcing a “both sides” argument.

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      I read the book, it’s the later.

      Mouth-breathers kept telling me, you don’t understand us, he gets us, that book explains it all.

      There’s no fucking way, so i read it. It doesn’t. It spins a mostly untrue (to him) tale that is honestly normal in the non rich people raised in Appalachia. I had family in the hills.

      The mine/mill/factory was either sold to China and shut down, or just shut down for non profitability, leaving everyone working in the service industry with no money flowing into the areas. People get poor, drugs happen, service industry crumbles.

      He told them that book would explain their story, so they just went OK, that’s why we’re racist, sexist, hate the poor.

      They just eat up everything he says.

      I’m as worried (if not more worried) about him replaceing T as I am T getting a third term.

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        If Vance becomes president, Peter Theil becomes president. He holds Vance’s leash.

        Theil absolutely has a plan to steal the presidency. Unfortunately for him, so do many other people, including Musk, Rubio, Don Jr, Bondi, Hegseth, etc. They ALL think they are the worthy MAGA successors, but they’re wrong.

        MAGA is a classic Cult of Personality. Once Trump assumes room temperature, the back-stabbing will destroy MAGA.

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      Both things are correct. It’s a standard character trait that all MAGAs think we are as stupid as they are. They are too stupid to be aware of that fact. They’re like untrained pets, who have grown so large, they now rule the house, and have become dangerous.

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      Are you saying he is stupid, because his claim is not true?

      But if he thinks he has corrupted the system enough that it works, he is evil not stupid.

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    Why don’t you start with that South African illegal immigrant who overstayed his visa illegally? Remember what his name was? Elon Musk? Ring a bell?

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    I’d have more respect for Vance if he truly believed the shit he peddled and wasn’t simply a cynical liar.

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    Things JD Vance Hates:

    • Brown people
    • Women
    • Muslims
    • Anti-fascists

    Ilhan Omar is everything he hates and she is one of the few people in power in the government who actually stands up against tyranny. No surprises here.

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      Things JD Vance Hates:

      • Brown people

      Which is extra weird considering this is his wife:

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        She’s probably a self hating Asian who would rather have a racist partner as long as he’s white than be with an Asian man. It’s like short women who only want a tall partner because they feel insecure and need to compensate. But here it’s a woman who feels that her non-whiteness is inferior and thus she needs to compensate by marrying a white man. And with that inferiority complex she attracts racist men.

        There are way too many racist white man with an Asian wife for it to be a coincidence.

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          It’s like short women who only want a tall partner because they feel insecure and need to compensate.

          My ex is short, five feet tall. First she married me, I’m 6’1". The guy she married after me is 6’5". She’s not an insecure person at all, just prefers her men to be large, for, umm, reasons. I’m guessing husband 2 is larger in many ways than I am, given that he wears size 15 shoes and can easily palm a basketball. Regardless, they’re obviously happy with each other, as I am with my current wife, who’s of average height.

          Size differences between partners can also be driven by insecurity in the larger one. That’s not true in my case, since I’ve enjoyed partners of widely differing heights, a couple of them even taller than me. But I’ve seen plenty of that with (for example) weebs. And of course there’s the myth that Asian women (south or east) are docile and servile. That has not been my experience at all. But I prefer women with strong personalities, so it might be a self-selected sample.

          But here it’s a woman who feels that her non-whiteness is inferior

          There’s plenty of tone-consiousness embedded in Indian culture, and there’s also the colonial cringe in many cases: the notion that those who resemble the former imperial masters are of higher status than the locals.

          I suspect in the Vance case that he presented himself in one way before they got married, then did a sociopathic pivot afterward. And for whatever reason, Usha has kept quiet about it. It’s very hard to tell what goes on inside other people’s relationships.

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          1. I’ve literally never heard of that take on short women. Not saying you’re wrong, but that’s new to me.

          2. Her family is from India. They have a caste system and you bet your ass she’s from the top of that. She’s from a long line up “upper class” people who look down on the poor and disenfranchised. She just happens to be a little brown.

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            This is such a poor understanding / oversimplification of Indian culture and history.

            First it’s important to point out that much of America was an apartheid state predicated on a race based caste system for most of its history. You know which race was high caste and which was low. If not, ask your grandparents (or parents for that matter).

            Can anyone today look at those of the race that was high caste and assume that they continue to look down on the historically low caste? No, it’s not that simple.

            Usha came from a family of scholars who were well regarded as philanthropists and educators in their village.

            Assuming you know anything about how she thinks of others based on her caste is actually incredibly regressive. Its equivalent to assuming every white person must is a racist.

            I think she made a terrible choice in JD. But let’s not assume to know the woman based on archaic presumptions. We can do better than that.

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              One could reasonably argue that the multi-level, fractally-iterated caste system of India is more complex and more pervasive than the US’s old, but not fully eradicated, white/black classification scheme.

              Assuming you know anything about how she thinks of others based on her caste is actually incredibly regressive.

              Excellent point.

              Its equivalent to assuming every white person must is a racist.

              That’s not a bad assumption as a first-order-of-magnitude guess. It’s shocking how much racial weirdness baggage is part of a white American upbringing. It’s not as bad as it used to be, but that doesn’t make it good.

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                I think one can reasonably argue a greater social pervasiveness of the Indian caste system, especially when it comes to kinship and marriage. It’s dying out in urban parts of India but boomers and the older generation, especially in rural areas, certainly still care about marriages remaining within caste.

                Many of the boomers I have engaged with in the US are relatively open to their child or grandchild having an interracial relationship but there are still a lot who would be torn apart by it (on the basis of white people being a higher caste).

                Institutionally, both countries have gone down different routes to address historical injustice. In India, at independence, a caste reservation system was created to make sure those of historically lower castes had equal access to oppurtunity. This is how DEI is perceived by some in the US, as a reservation system for people of historically disenfranchised groups, though it certainly isn’t explicitly meant to work like that.

                Some in India feel that the reservation system has been an overcorrection in some aspects but the debate is ongoing as is the debate around DEI in the US.

                There is an excellent Indian film produced by Karan Johar (with Martin Scorcese as an executive producer) based on the book A Friendship, a Pandemic and a Death Beside the Highway by Basharat Peer which tells the story of a Muslim (Shoaib) and person born into a lower caste (Chandan).

                I’ll spoil the film since it’s relevant to the conversation. Both aspire to join the police force which would break each of their family’s intergenerational cycle of poverty. Both face significant hurdles in the form of Islamophobia and caste discrimination. Ultimately Chandan gets in and Shoaib does not. This creates resentment between them. Chandan’s acceptance gets questioned by society at every turn, under the assumption that he got in due to his caste rather than merit.

                It’s a tragic story (based on true events) but Chandan’s acceptance is delayed and Shoaib and Chandan end up working at the same labor mill where their friendship is rekindled. The beginning of the COVID pandemic brings an end to their labor contract. Unfortunately Chandan comes down with COVID on their way home (which goes through the middle of nowhere). They get kicked off the transport vehicle that was taking them home for the safety of other passengers and try to trek it with Chandan ultimately dying on the side of the road.

                At the end of the movie it’s revealed that Chandan went out of his way to make sure his caste was not mentioned anywhere on his application and he even went as far as to use a different surname to make sure his application didn’t get special consideration (through the caste reservation system).

                It’s an interesting analysis on identity, oppurtunity and how hierarchy within society is very very hard to subvert.

                Ive worked in several different American cities. I think a lot of progress has been made and I’m glad to see it. But there is still a lot of work to do. In nearly every city I’ve lived in, there is a section where white people live and another where black and Latino people live. In the companies and insitutions I’ve worked in, black and Latino folk are almost always over-represented in entry level positions and white folks are heavily represented in upper management and the C suite. It absolutely reminds me of the caste system in India. Though I acknowledge there are key differences.

                Some of the rhetoric I hear in the US also mirrors the rhetoric among the privileged class in India around race/caste. Particularly (in the US) the questioning of merit targeted at African Americans or immigrants on, for example, an H1b visa. There are a lot more similarities in a situation where neither country should want to be like the other.

                There is also a body of literature from American Caste and Class (Warner 1936) to Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents (Wilkerson 2020) outlining how and concluding that, in America, race is caste.

                I’ll end with a quote from a revered civil rights figure in the US, who was heavily inspired by Gandhi, and travelled to India to visit his home for inspiration. While doing a speech in Kerala, India he was introduced as a “fellow untouchable” (low caste) from America. He was initially aghast at the portrayal but after a moment of reflection he famously said “Yes, I am an untouchable, and every Negro in the United States of America is an untouchable” (MLK Jr.)

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              I went to school for Anthropology. I know not to make assumptions about cultures. I’m not making an assumption about members of caste systems today, but what it was like and what some continues to be like. And there is absolutely no way she isn’t racist or hates the low class if she can still stand by her husband. It’s not like it was an arranged marriage. She picked him, she can leave him.

              It’s like looking at a white guy who’s racist and saying, yep, it’s because he comes from a long line of racists. It’s as simple as that.

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                If only going to school in anthropology meant you were knowledgeable in every culture.

                You clearly made an assumption about her worldview based on her caste. It’s no different than you looking at another person and assuming how they think based on their race.

                If you want to judge her based on her words and actions I welcome that. If you’re going to make assumptions based on immutable characteristics then you are engaging in bigotry, anthropology degree or not.

                My personal standard is to not tolerate “these people are like this because they were born that way” no matter where it comes from. You shouldn’t tolerate it either.

                I’m more than happy to inform you on India’s varna/jati system, how it became codified due to colonial administration, what has been done to mitigate its institutionalization and how it persists today since your anthropology degree clearly fell short of that.

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            The higher caste Indians hate darker skinned Indians and thus many in the upper caste are insecure of their own brownness.

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            The short woman in my office give the lots of reasons of only dating tall men

            Few more: i don’t want short kids Need someone to get high stuff Dwarves ( in reference to blokes under 6 feet) are not hot Need someone to protect me

            Its all steps from insecurities

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              That’s all insane. Firstly imagine calling the average man of every country but the Netherlands a dwarf. But also as a woman who’s nearly 6’ short women hurt my back. I still date them because I don’t really consider height a major concern in partners. Also I’ve hidden behind multiple short exes. One is 5’2" and built like a bear with an attitude of pure willingness to do violence for loved ones.

              Sigh, but yeah I’ve noticed a lot of short women are insecure about their heights as well. And it’s weird because many of us tall women are also insecure about ours. I have to try not to loom over other women (and sometimes over men). When I wear heels (which is usually formal events) I stick out like a sore thumb even more. Back on reddit the tallgirls community was really helpful to find other women experiencing the same awkwardness.

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          Peculiar, while accurate, to see folks from india referred to as Asian.

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            Did you know that in the UK when people use the term Asian they mean people with South Asian ethnicity.

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                It gets confusing because usually people just call them asian too 💀 i say “east asian” though because everyone knows you mean chinese, korean et cetera in that case, and you might specify south asian for indians, pakistanis etc.

                In the UK we have more south asians than east asians, but I’m pretty sure it’s the inverse in america. So if somekne in the uk says describes someine as “asian,” it’s a safer bet that they mean “indian subcontinent” or middle east rather than East-Asian.

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            Isn’t that a joke they made in Pineapple Express? “What sort of Asian!? Indian people are technically Asian!”

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    While we’re at it, I’ve never seen trumps long form birth certificate. Is he even American?

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      Never seen any tax returns either, is he even a contributing member of society?

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        During the 2016 debate, Hillary Clinton called him out on paying no federal taxes some years. His response was, “that makes me smart.”

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          Yeah Republicans loved that. They loved it.

          They are all selfish and ignorant. These people are a minority of the American people, yet the largest majority doesn’t vote… So the little mean, stupid clique of idiots win, and we get this bullshit.

          That majority on the US needs to wake the fuck up. If they don’t, we’re all fucked. Apathy is destroying this nation.

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    Jd Vance has committed fraud against the concept of human intelligence, and should be in jail for trying to abuse the power of government for personal gain

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      And a claim like this isn’t something within jurisdiction of the VP I don’t believe. So it isn’t an official act for him to be making this claim. Therefore suing him directly for libel I would think should be fine.

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    he’d recently spoken with White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller about how best to “go after her.”

    Who was told that we can’t put her in a gas chamber, and PeeWee Himmler said “Oh, the gas chambers aren’t operational yet? What’s taking so long?”