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That’s the thing, no one actually voted for Trump to stop wars. They vote for him because he said he’d hurt the people they don’t like, that’s it. Anything else is either just an attack on the opponents like the whole Kamala war thing or just a thinly veiled distraction from their hatred.
There is a non-trivial part of the cult that is not taking this well. It’s hard to see from across the fence and through the cloud of bots, but there is trouble in MAGA land.
Yep. For a small example, chuds are absolutely giddy about the end of pennies. If it happened while a Democrat was in office, they’d be bemoning every aspect of it.
US politics is mostly about being contrarian to whomever you feel is doing freedom wrong.
Pretty sure that USA hasn’t gone to war in like 80 years. 1942.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Declarations_of_war
I’m being sarcastic but this is literally true according to state double-speak. We’ve had almost a century of peace!!!
It’s been a year and I still can’t believe how stupid Americans are. He was president before. You knew he shouldn’t be. Yet You elected him again.
Reddit is suppressing and botting the fuck out of this right now. So many posts cheering and saying it’s all the Iranian government’s fault.
Make posts linking the US admitting that we made the Iranian currency value drop to nothing on purpose just to cause protests and riots and it gets down voted into oblivion. Seriously dead internet theory. It’s like the bots and shills now actually outnumber humans who have bothered to read anything about anything. o_O
Is this Trump’s “Domain Expansion”?
No, that’d be him shitting his pants.
And if you didn’t vote for Harris you voted for Trump.
I’ve seen tankies on Bluesky trying to convince themselves that the US would have attacked Iran under Harris, too. Anybody saying that that’s just a hypothetical gets told to “prove it”.
Eh, I wouldn’t say we’d be guaranteed to be in this war anyway, but I wouldn’t say she’d have definitely kept us out.
Very few things are ever guaranteed, which is why it’s extremely silly for people to think that Harris would definitely have dragged the US into a war with Iran
This exchange was hilarious:
Tankies truly are the dumbest motherfuckers alive
she literally campaigned for creating a more lethal us army and supporting israel
at some point, maybe y’all should grow up and realize that your country is rotten beyond repair and do something about it, instead of burying your head in the sand with « well maybe if some internet communists i don’t like had been more quiet, then the worst of the worst could have been delayed by a few years and i could’ve gone back to ignoring the evil my country has committed since literally its founding » at every new atrocity
Maybe the world isn’t full of absolutes?
Maybe there would have been a 10% lower probability of war with Harris, and 80% higher probability of better protection of human rights?
If you are only capable of treating every magnitude of behavior equally, you’ll repeatedly end up with poor outcomes. You need a weighting mechanism that isn’t binary.
Moreover, you have to choose those that are most likely to align with your desired outcome, even if they don’t qualify based on your purity test. Otherwise, you’re just part of the, “I’ve got a number of strong opinions, but I’m going to do jack dick to move in that direction because that candidate isn’t perfect” crowd.
No you can’t use a polticans words on them! That’s Tankie!!!
Brain worms clearly aren’t a problem only on the far right
She literally didn’t. But the guy you voted for did! Congrats on saving Palestine
People who voted for Trump voted for Trump. Go talk to them.
Blaming anyone else is not only an unhinged attempt to claim some sort of moral ownership of an entire bloc, it isn’t even supported by any reasonable reading of the statistics.
This kind of obsession with whipping other people into maintaining an entrenched two-party system is exactly how America let itself spend the last 40 years getting slowly dragged to the Right in the first place.
Every Dem candidate since 1976 has been close to Jimmy Carter.
Every GOP candidate since Reagan has moved further Right.
Wow, so nearly 8 billion people voted for Trump, including every American under 18? Astonishing.
Can’t argue your position without being obtuse. Might mean your position is shit.
If you think that is obtuse, grade 1 must have been a challenge.
You’re acting like you thought they were referring to populations ineligible to vote in US elections, so you’re either dumb or pretending to be. Obtuse.
No, I’m making a point about how stupid the statement was. See, you were pretending not to understand what I meant, but now you’re admitting you understood, even though you disagree with the point I was making.
And if you voted for Harris you voted for someone who unashamedly advocated for and spent US tax dollars on everything Israel is doing right now, up to and including sending an Esptein pedophile to multiple states to lecture primary voters on how, actually, it’s a good thing that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are helping Israel kill their family and friends…
…so I’m not 100% sure what point you think you’re making here. The Dems support war with Iran too, because like Donald, they do everything Israel tells them to.
Seems like you’re making the case that they’re effectively the same which is such horseshit? Honestly sick of this take. Millions of voters chose the lesser of two evils and people that sat on the sidelines with the perceived moral high ground make me sick. This is as much their fault as it is Trump’s actual voters.
which is such horseshit?
Did you just sleep through the Biden and Obama presidencies, by chance?
Or the 2024 Democratic primaries, where they literally said they weren’t going to change any of their policies? The same ones supporting the genocide and the state-engineered famine?
You have no reason, whatsoever, to argue that what’s happening now would not be happening under a Harris presidency, and it’s a little annoying being gaslit about it yet again.
And if you voted Harris in the primaries you voted for Trump.
But… no one voted for Harris in the primaries.
None of us at least. Harris only ran in 2020, and dropped out before the primary elections actually began; in 2024 she was appointed by the DNC because fuckwit Biden waited until the last minute to drop out.
You know, when you put it that way, that’s kinda mindblowing.
Bizarre, isn’t it?
Fuck Biden for losing the fucking republic out of his own fucking hubris and ego.
Sorry, I meant it more in a poetic sense to mirror the original sentence. But that was obviously not communicated. My point is more that we should be pressuring DNC candidates to meet the low standards of voters, instead of telling voters that they should abandon their principles. The DNC will never be able to successfully confront the GOP without a positive vision of change and position of blue no matter who can’t offer that
Learn some history.
Back in the day, ex-slave Frederick Douglas had a choice. He could support a full on abolition candidate who was probably going to lose, or support Abe Lincoln. Lincoln had said that he had no plans to abolish slavery. Douglas decided it was better to support the eventual winner and have a seat at the table than make a futile gesture.
Moral purity is more important than results, clearly.
Christ, man, then voters with standards need to start showing up to primaries.
This isn’t some issue where Our Aristocrats™ have already made all their policy positions ahead of time and then forced us poor little plebeians to go along with it. I was fucking on the ground in 2016 and 2020. I remember how the Dem primaries - the primaries for the least right-wing third of this country - went.
Voters choose who runs, extraordinary situations like 2024 exempted. In 1992, in 2000, in 2004, in 2008, in 2016, in 2020, the voters chose who they did because most people do not have the same standards of you or I.
What primaries? You mean the primaries that Biden won due to heavy-handed influence from within the DNC? The primaries that Harris didn’t even run in?
I voted for Williamson in those primaries even though I knew she had zero chance of beating the at the time, current sitting president. I also voted for Harris in the generals because I’m not an idiot.
Can you imagine how much better the world would be if:
- Trump voters actually acknowledged they made a mistake
- Trump voters decided not to vote anymore because they realize they make bad decisions
That’s all it would take. They wouldn’t have to commit to doing better research next time. They wouldn’t have to try to defend some of what Trump did, or decide which GOP candidates are actually being honest. Just say “Wow, I fucked up. I shouldn’t vote.”
It’s like an alcoholic who wakes up in a puddle of their own puke. They can try to be more careful in their drinking. Or, they can decide “I can’t be trusted around alcohol”. But, it’s not like voting in a controlled way is fun, the way moderate drinking could be fun. Voting is a chore. It should be a relief to be able to say “I don’t have to pay attention anymore, I’m a gullible idiot, let other people take the reins”.
That would take humility something most Trump voters don’t have in my experience. Seriously the fucken ego on some of them makes my literal ego filled Southern Aristocrat ancestors seem like fucken monks, mind you that’s just the boomers and gen X ones in my experience with younger ones just being stupid or mentally ill in my experience.
That probably wouldn’t do as much good as the people who didn’t vote at all got off their ass.
Including the ones who would have voted for Trump? Including the ones who live in states where the outcome is so one-sided that their votes would not have changed anything? Why is it that you think somehow people who didn’t vote are more responsible than the ones who did?
Sounds like you didnt vote and personalizing this and been cooking that defense for a bit.
Everyone who was gonna vote for Trump did. They got paid to
Either way: get out and vote. Don’t be an ass. It is your one and one one job to do to prevent this shit and you failed at that this time. Don’t you ever ever forget that. No one else will.
Sounds like you didnt vote and personalizing this and been cooking that defense for a bit.
What makes you think I live in the USA?
Everyone who was gonna vote for Trump did. They got paid to
Wow… And I suppose Trump is actually a lizard wearing human skin?
Don’t forget the idiots that didn’t vote because Gaza and now it’s 10x worse
Tacobuttplug can suck a fat one for continuing to support their decision.
Frankly, based on the data, there weren’t an especially abnormal number of non voters. The participation rate if anything was a percent or two above normal.
As long as you have something to feel smug about
Hey zionist assholes, the oppression in Palestine didn’t start with Trump. You fickwits enabled the current genocide one way or the other.
“My genocide was better than yours” isn’t the flex you think it is. It’s pathetic, but go off.
Harris would literally do the same thing in Gaza and Iran.
Surprised you can read your crystal ball with your head so far up your ass
not voting for genociders should be an obvious thing. only American liberals are so fucking morally bankrupt that they think genocide is something that can be excused.
Democrats better have learnt their lesson, because if next elections they run in a campaign to double down on genocide, they’ll lose again.
don’t blame the public for being disgusted by genocide, blame the candidates that masturbate at the sight of babies being blown up.
my reply was probably too harsh. I’m tired of this argument. it’s the choice america was given.
Rapist pedo fascist who you could describe with almost any -ism/-ist, vs boring establishment evil. One more keen on healthcare reform, voting reform, like literally anything you could vaguely could construe as good vs the most stupid && cartoonishly evil foil an imagination could conjure. And here we are saying “Harris would be just as bad!” Like what??? She would be more inclined to take criticism and make changes from her party, which is the only one even remotely opposed to the atrocities in Gaza, let alone the other innumerable ways Trump and his idiot fucking fascists have damaged our infrastructure, bureaucracy, trust, etc.
It’s actually ridiculous to think we “punished” dems. We punished the palestinian people, brown people in america, Iranians, Ukranians – you name it, we fucked it.
we were presented with a baby grinding machine and instead of choosing the smaller one which is less efficient we chose a Henry Ford style baby smashing factory and held that we were morally superior. It’s inane.
that’s because we keep voting for lesser evil, rewarding them and they become more evil, because they can get away with it.
democratic need to learn that they need actual candidates, not corporate puppets. it got this bad because the “vote lesser evil” enabled it to get this bad.
not voting is the same as voting for whoever wins.
not voting throws your vote away. vote for a candidate that does not support genocide, voting for a genocidal candidate means you endorsed a genocide.
if Democrats see a third party getting 2% of the vote they’ll bend over backwards to coopt their policies, including not commiting a genocide.
not voting third party is establishment propaganda, so you only vote for bribed corporate puppets.
if Democrats see a third party getting 2% of the vote they’ll bend over backwards to coopt their policies, including not commiting a genocide.
Do you not remember 2016
Bernie wasn’t a third party. and the Democrats did all they could to torpedo him, like they do with all the candidates, they chose corporate interests over the voter base. and in doing so, sold the American government to the highest bidder.
they betrayed you and yet you think voting for them is the solution.
Love how Democrats get hammered on things Republicans get a pass on.
Are you a special level of stupid? Democrats are supposed to be the opposition, that their whole branding. they should hey hammered for doing a fucking genocide, the same way Republicans are being hammered for doing a genocide and an ethnic cleansing on American soil.
are you saying complaining about Democrats being AIPAC puppets is invalid if I don’t also allocate the same amount of energy yelling at Republicans?
That level of BS is understandable coming from someone who thinks genocide isn’t a deal breaker.
Must have hit close to home if that got you riled up.
It takes a special kind of stupid to take a candidate you agree with 90% of the time and hammer them twice as hard as you do their opponent. Thanks for withholding your vote in protest. That showed 'em.
I’ll serve you a burger with cyanide. it takes a special level of stupid not to eat a burger that’s 99% perfect, with only 1% cyanide.
Are you again, being so morally bankrupt, that you are defending a genocide?
Because Harris and Biden were 100% in support of making it worse, and actively supplied WMD’s on request while helping them engineer a famine. And they sent an Epstein pedophile to wag his finger at Palestinians in multiple states for not supporting the killing of their family and friends.
Of course people voted for change instead. (Even if Donald was lying.)
But?? The FIFA peace price? How could he tarnish something so coveted?!
Oh no, no, nobody ever believed he was anti-war. If they claim they did, they’re lying.
You could believe he was gonna clean the swamp, if you were extremely foolish. You could believe he was gonna release the Epstein Files, if you were drunk enough and melted your brain doing whippets.
But you don’t get to pretend, ever, that the man who thinks foreigners are garbage would ever, for a second, think twice about shooting them.
I think you’re underestimating the potential for stupidity of the American people. When I went to vote for Harris in '24, there were people with signs calling him the president of peace. There were also people with signs showing the price of gas during the COVID shutdowns, which is at a similar level.
But but but he got the fifa peace prize!!!
Let’s see, MAGA promises:
America First - too many good countries to steal, so…Nah.
Epstein Files - they were supposed to be filled with Dems, but it turns out that MAGAs are much more enthusiastic pedophiles, so Nah.
Lower Prices on Day 1: Were beyond Day 400, and prices are still rising, so Nah.
Deporting criminal immigrants: Turns out there aren’t that many, but there are plenty of evil innocent immigrants, school kids, veterans, old people, sick people, etc., so Nah.
Lower Crime: If you don’t count the Paramilitary Death Squads breaking out into spontaneous firing squads against innocent American citizens, so Nah.
So why are MAGAs still on board? Is it the Treason? The virtuosic incompetence?
I’ll bet it’s the Pedophilia. You can always count on MAGA to defend Pedophilia, and this is important to MAGAs, because…
ALL MAGAs are Pedophiles.
AMAP.
Dig it.
I was with you, up until the end. I don’t believe maga voters are pedophiles. I believe they treat politics like sports. They vote for their team.
The Cleveland Browns signed DeShawn Watson. A guy who was BEFORE SIGNING WITH THR BROWNS already accused by 22 different women of sexual assault.
They signed him to the most expensive contract the NFL had ever seen.
It did not affect business one bit. Fans still came to Browns Stadium to cheer on a rapist. It wasn’t until he became injury prone, and missed 90% of his games while still being paid that fans turned against Watson. Not because he was a rapist, but because he wasn’t winning games.
Thats how Maga is viewing trump. If he wins, he’s their guy. But if he’d have lost the 2024 election, I think his political career would have been done.
Not because he’s a pedophile, but because he wasn’t winning. But since he DID win, they’ll believe he’s not a pedophile. Because if he was a pedophile, that would mean they support a pedophile. But that can’t be true. So obviously he must not be.
This is how they think.
It’s so frustrating dealing with Browns fans in Cleveland. Today they’ll all say fuck DeShawn Watson. And today they’ll say worst trade in history. But I remember saying that 3 years ago when the trade was fresh. I remember saying I would ban all rapists and drunk drivers from all sports. Regardless of how important they are to a sport. I’d have banned Micheal Jordan in the 90s had he been a rapist. (Just for the record, I’m not saying he is. I’ve never heard that. I’m just saying he’s the most important sports figure of my lifetime, and I would ban him in his prime had he been a rapist).
So when day 1 that trade happened, I said this is terrible. I was told to shut up because now Cleveland can win the superbowl. Today they all agree with me it was a bad trade. But for entirely different reasons.
This is what I see from maga today. They convince themselves he’s not a pedophile, because otherwise that means they voted for a pedophile.
But it doesn’t mean maga ARE pedophiles.
Unless you meant just the politicians, in which case…yeah, most of them might be.
AMAP.
Meanwhile, the QB they ditched for Watson, Baker Mayfield, is still starting in the NFL and magically doesn’t seem to have dozens of scandals. Those same Browns fans could have had a team that just went to the playoffs led by baker that didn’t throw away the next four years of salary cap and first round draft picks. Fucking Haslans.
This is a good analogy, but I have something easier: the good old GOP standard of it not being a big deal until it directly affects them. Practically coded into their DNA. Sure raping kids is bad, but in lieu of a video of it actually happening, they can rationalize it away. Kind of like with gay people. They’re all evil deviants who can’t keep their hands to themselves until you learn your daughter is one. Suddenly they’re people with rights, and you’re in your gay daughter’s wedding because why wouldn’t you be? Forget about all those years of dehumanizing citizens because you don’t like what they do in private. You’re enlightened now.
Nope, this ain’t a weak sports analogy. This isn’t business as usual. This is a global cabal of ultra-wealthy psychopathic pedophiles who built the largest international CHILD sex trafficking operation in known history, and now those same people are in charge of the US government.
These people are the worst sort of pedophiles know to humankind, and anyone who supports them takes responsibility for the same behavior. If you have a known pedophile living in your house, and they are actively molesting children under your roof, and you hide it, cover for it, deny it, and encourage it to continue, YOU are a pedophile, too. You don’t get off the hook because you didn’t actively participate, maybe just watching, or knowing it’s happening, is your personal perversion.
There is no excuse for pedophilia, it is a 100% deal breaker, 100% of the time. And if you aren’t on board with that, you’re an accomplice, and that’s the same thing.
Until MAGA demands full release of the Epstein Files, and a full accounting of any attempts to cover for anyone in those files, ALL MAGAs are considered Pedophiles.
And BTW, the Cleveland Browns dowing something immoral, and the people of Cleveland supporting it, is no evidence of anything except what a cesspool Cleveland is. I know, I grew up there, and hated every moment of it. I left 25 years ago, and haven’t been back. The only things I miss are the Cleveland Orchestra, the Art Museum, the beer at Great Lakes Brewing, and the salsa at Luchita’s. Other than that, it has literally the worst weather of anywhere I’ve ever lived or visited.
They’re like sports fans because that’s what states sponsor sports for. To promote cheering for your team, be it country, political party or local youth league team no matter what. Sports is practice for blind patriotism, fascism and imperialism.
It has not been long from when promoting that spirit was an openly stated goal of organised sports.
You’re not wrong. Today every game begins with the national anthem, however the first usage of that was in the early 1900s. I think 1917, but I could be wrong.
It was at a baseball game. But not before the game. It was actually played during the 7th inning stretch.
Man a lot of Americans are brainwashed. Holy shit. Pledge of allegiance? Shit is on par with North Korea.
You’re not wrong.
My whole life before trump became president the most common opinion on pedophiles was more or less “I could never kill someone, but I could kill a pedophile” and/or “All pedophiles should die”. At the time I was saying if they aren’t actually committing a crime and staying away from children, leave them be because they are probably suffering and sucking it up to have a place in society, or if for no other reason because punishing uncomitted crimes is a slippery slope. Literally nobody agreed with me.
Now nobody wants to even go anywhere near the topic and either does the oh well biden this and clinton that or just sputters non words while actual pedophile rapists not only roam free but have unchecked power, or worse defends the actual criminals. I’m all for killing these ones but I even get a bunch of “voilence is not the answer” from people who have previously said they would kill a pedophile even if they actively stay away from any and all situations involving minors.
We never should have let them kill Harambe.
They voted for suffering and Trump delivers.
The last peaceful president and admin who withheld “US Aid” (missiles) from the Middle East was… Carter? Was it Carter? Has it been that long?
and not a few strikes, either. THOUSANDS.
What do you mean? This is an operation of peace! /s
I see they’re trading notes with russia. Soon we’ll hear the phrase “special military operation”.
I mean at least he’s not supporting Ukraine. It’s a plus
