I’ve seen tankies on Bluesky trying to convince themselves that the US would have attacked Iran under Harris, too. Anybody saying that that’s just a hypothetical gets told to “prove it”.
Very few things are ever guaranteed, which is why it’s extremely silly for people to think that Harris would definitely have dragged the US into a war with Iran
she literally campaigned for creating a more lethal us army and supporting israel
at some point, maybe y’all should grow up and realize that your country is rotten beyond repair and do something about it, instead of burying your head in the sand with « well maybe if some internet communists i don’t like had been more quiet, then the worst of the worst could have been delayed by a few years and i could’ve gone back to ignoring the evil my country has committed since literally its founding » at every new atrocity
Maybe there would have been a 10% lower probability of war with Harris, and 80% higher probability of better protection of human rights?
If you are only capable of treating every magnitude of behavior equally, you’ll repeatedly end up with poor outcomes. You need a weighting mechanism that isn’t binary.
Moreover, you have to choose those that are most likely to align with your desired outcome, even if they don’t qualify based on your purity test. Otherwise, you’re just part of the, “I’ve got a number of strong opinions, but I’m going to do jack dick to move in that direction because that candidate isn’t perfect” crowd.
People who voted for Trump voted for Trump. Go talk to them.
Blaming anyone else is not only an unhinged attempt to claim some sort of moral ownership of an entire bloc, it isn’t even supported by any reasonable reading of the statistics.
This kind of obsession with whipping other people into maintaining an entrenched two-party system is exactly how America let itself spend the last 40 years getting slowly dragged to the Right in the first place.
You’re acting like you thought they were referring to populations ineligible to vote in US elections, so you’re either dumb or pretending to be. Obtuse.
No, I’m making a point about how stupid the statement was. See, you were pretending not to understand what I meant, but now you’re admitting you understood, even though you disagree with the point I was making.
And if you voted for Harris you voted for someone who unashamedly advocated for and spent US tax dollars on everything Israel is doing right now, up to and including sending an Esptein pedophile to multiple states to lecture primary voters on how, actually, it’s a good thing that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are helping Israel kill their family and friends…
…so I’m not 100% sure what point you think you’re making here. The Dems support war with Iran too, because like Donald, they do everything Israel tells them to.
Seems like you’re making the case that they’re effectively the same which is such horseshit? Honestly sick of this take. Millions of voters chose the lesser of two evils and people that sat on the sidelines with the perceived moral high ground make me sick. This is as much their fault as it is Trump’s actual voters.
Did you just sleep through the Biden and Obama presidencies, by chance?
Or the 2024 Democratic primaries, where they literally said they weren’t going to change any of their policies? The same ones supporting the genocide and the state-engineered famine?
You have no reason, whatsoever, to argue that what’s happening now would not be happening under a Harris presidency, and it’s a little annoying being gaslit about it yet again.
None of us at least. Harris only ran in 2020, and dropped out before the primary elections actually began; in 2024 she was appointed by the DNC because fuckwit Biden waited until the last minute to drop out.
Sorry, I meant it more in a poetic sense to mirror the original sentence. But that was obviously not communicated. My point is more that we should be pressuring DNC candidates to meet the low standards of voters, instead of telling voters that they should abandon their principles. The DNC will never be able to successfully confront the GOP without a positive vision of change and position of blue no matter who can’t offer that
Back in the day, ex-slave Frederick Douglas had a choice. He could support a full on abolition candidate who was probably going to lose, or support Abe Lincoln. Lincoln had said that he had no plans to abolish slavery. Douglas decided it was better to support the eventual winner and have a seat at the table than make a futile gesture.
Christ, man, then voters with standards need to start showing up to primaries.
This isn’t some issue where Our Aristocrats™ have already made all their policy positions ahead of time and then forced us poor little plebeians to go along with it. I was fucking on the ground in 2016 and 2020. I remember how the Dem primaries - the primaries for the least right-wing third of this country - went.
Voters choose who runs, extraordinary situations like 2024 exempted. In 1992, in 2000, in 2004, in 2008, in 2016, in 2020, the voters chose who they did because most people do not have the same standards of you or I.
What primaries? You mean the primaries that Biden won due to heavy-handed influence from within the DNC? The primaries that Harris didn’t even run in?
I voted for Williamson in those primaries even though I knew she had zero chance of beating the at the time, current sitting president. I also voted for Harris in the generals because I’m not an idiot.
And if you didn’t vote for Harris you voted for Trump.
I’ve seen tankies on Bluesky trying to convince themselves that the US would have attacked Iran under Harris, too. Anybody saying that that’s just a hypothetical gets told to “prove it”.
Eh, I wouldn’t say we’d be guaranteed to be in this war anyway, but I wouldn’t say she’d have definitely kept us out.
Very few things are ever guaranteed, which is why it’s extremely silly for people to think that Harris would definitely have dragged the US into a war with Iran
This exchange was hilarious:
Tankies truly are the dumbest motherfuckers alive
she literally campaigned for creating a more lethal us army and supporting israel
at some point, maybe y’all should grow up and realize that your country is rotten beyond repair and do something about it, instead of burying your head in the sand with « well maybe if some internet communists i don’t like had been more quiet, then the worst of the worst could have been delayed by a few years and i could’ve gone back to ignoring the evil my country has committed since literally its founding » at every new atrocity
Maybe the world isn’t full of absolutes?
Maybe there would have been a 10% lower probability of war with Harris, and 80% higher probability of better protection of human rights?
If you are only capable of treating every magnitude of behavior equally, you’ll repeatedly end up with poor outcomes. You need a weighting mechanism that isn’t binary.
Moreover, you have to choose those that are most likely to align with your desired outcome, even if they don’t qualify based on your purity test. Otherwise, you’re just part of the, “I’ve got a number of strong opinions, but I’m going to do jack dick to move in that direction because that candidate isn’t perfect” crowd.
Brain worms clearly aren’t a problem only on the far right
No you can’t use a polticans words on them! That’s Tankie!!!
She literally didn’t. But the guy you voted for did! Congrats on saving Palestine
she literally did
bestie i live in canada
People who voted for Trump voted for Trump. Go talk to them.
Blaming anyone else is not only an unhinged attempt to claim some sort of moral ownership of an entire bloc, it isn’t even supported by any reasonable reading of the statistics.
This kind of obsession with whipping other people into maintaining an entrenched two-party system is exactly how America let itself spend the last 40 years getting slowly dragged to the Right in the first place.
Every Dem candidate since 1976 has been close to Jimmy Carter.
Every GOP candidate since Reagan has moved further Right.
Wow, so nearly 8 billion people voted for Trump, including every American under 18? Astonishing.
Can’t argue your position without being obtuse. Might mean your position is shit.
If you think that is obtuse, grade 1 must have been a challenge.
You’re acting like you thought they were referring to populations ineligible to vote in US elections, so you’re either dumb or pretending to be. Obtuse.
No, I’m making a point about how stupid the statement was. See, you were pretending not to understand what I meant, but now you’re admitting you understood, even though you disagree with the point I was making.
And if you voted for Harris you voted for someone who unashamedly advocated for and spent US tax dollars on everything Israel is doing right now, up to and including sending an Esptein pedophile to multiple states to lecture primary voters on how, actually, it’s a good thing that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are helping Israel kill their family and friends…
…so I’m not 100% sure what point you think you’re making here. The Dems support war with Iran too, because like Donald, they do everything Israel tells them to.
Seems like you’re making the case that they’re effectively the same which is such horseshit? Honestly sick of this take. Millions of voters chose the lesser of two evils and people that sat on the sidelines with the perceived moral high ground make me sick. This is as much their fault as it is Trump’s actual voters.
Did you just sleep through the Biden and Obama presidencies, by chance?
Or the 2024 Democratic primaries, where they literally said they weren’t going to change any of their policies? The same ones supporting the genocide and the state-engineered famine?
You have no reason, whatsoever, to argue that what’s happening now would not be happening under a Harris presidency, and it’s a little annoying being gaslit about it yet again.
And if you voted Harris in the primaries you voted for Trump.
But… no one voted for Harris in the primaries.
None of us at least. Harris only ran in 2020, and dropped out before the primary elections actually began; in 2024 she was appointed by the DNC because fuckwit Biden waited until the last minute to drop out.
You know, when you put it that way, that’s kinda mindblowing.
Bizarre, isn’t it?
Fuck Biden for losing the fucking republic out of his own fucking hubris and ego.
Sorry, I meant it more in a poetic sense to mirror the original sentence. But that was obviously not communicated. My point is more that we should be pressuring DNC candidates to meet the low standards of voters, instead of telling voters that they should abandon their principles. The DNC will never be able to successfully confront the GOP without a positive vision of change and position of blue no matter who can’t offer that
Learn some history.
Back in the day, ex-slave Frederick Douglas had a choice. He could support a full on abolition candidate who was probably going to lose, or support Abe Lincoln. Lincoln had said that he had no plans to abolish slavery. Douglas decided it was better to support the eventual winner and have a seat at the table than make a futile gesture.
Moral purity is more important than results, clearly.
Christ, man, then voters with standards need to start showing up to primaries.
This isn’t some issue where Our Aristocrats™ have already made all their policy positions ahead of time and then forced us poor little plebeians to go along with it. I was fucking on the ground in 2016 and 2020. I remember how the Dem primaries - the primaries for the least right-wing third of this country - went.
Voters choose who runs, extraordinary situations like 2024 exempted. In 1992, in 2000, in 2004, in 2008, in 2016, in 2020, the voters chose who they did because most people do not have the same standards of you or I.
What primaries? You mean the primaries that Biden won due to heavy-handed influence from within the DNC? The primaries that Harris didn’t even run in?
I voted for Williamson in those primaries even though I knew she had zero chance of beating the at the time, current sitting president. I also voted for Harris in the generals because I’m not an idiot.