On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.
Is there any reason to believe it wasn’t hacked? If I’m murdered then my account being accessed doesn’t prove I’m secretly alive. Especially if I used insecure passwords like Epstein is reported to have done.
It’s not impossible, but if he was still alive I find it hard to believe he’d just access it once and never again. Stupid billionaires with bad passwords probably happens all the time and we just don’t know about it because they’re not at the center of an international child sex exploitation crime ring.
See, this is my take as well - other people knew/guessed his passwords and used his account that way. Keeping him alive really doesn’t do anything for the “it’s all a coverup” story, especially when a LOT of his associates and contacts are getting tangled up in this release of his files. Additionally, this guy was talking so openly about manipulating markets, sex crimes, and all sorts of legal and quasi legal shit that I find it hard to imagine that EVEN IF he was connected to Israeli intelligence like has been suggested, EVEN IF he got spirited out of prison and away to Tel Aviv, I find it hard to imagine Mossad would want to keep such a DEEPLY compromised asset alive instead of driving him into the Negev and putting two bullets in the back of his head.
“hacker”…
According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.
I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
I’ve been hearing that the “changed handle” thing isn’t valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user’s profile (and that wasn’t the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though.
Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened.
it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it
i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint
Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved.
Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it…
True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though.
I’m not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn’t dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up alive.
I read somewhere that it was somebody else who changed their username to match his, and not the same account. Can’t find a source for it either way though.
I’m sure it was possible to swap Epstein out. I just don’t think there was the motivation for it
No one wants Epstein alive. The rich and powerful want to bury their crimes, normal people want retribution. The only motivator I can imagine would be a deadman switch, but even if Epstein were smuggled out, the rich and powerful would have dismantled any blackmail Epstein had by now and finished the job
I see no path that still has Epstein alive at this point
Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?
A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.
I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.
That would make sense if he wasn’t arrested, convicted, interrogated and with a mountain of evidence in the hands of the FBI. A dead drop isn’t going to keep you alive if the person who wants you silenced thinks you’re already spilling the beans.
But even if that’s the case he’s alive until he clears the dead drop because he’d still be a loose end.
That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.
Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.
Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.
I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.
It turns out the actor playing Epstein was himself involved in a sex trafficking scandal. He was fired. That’s why they couldn’t have an on-screen death for the Epstein character. The whole thing is super meta.
he definitely got assassinated, giving how fast they tried to cover it up, and the news/congress politicinas(both DNC/GOP) dint want it to come to light
Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?
The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.
I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.
So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.
The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.
Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.
Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
Sorry dude but he’s not dead. You have to look at the evidence beyond a headline but it isn’t some strechy conspiracy at this point. None of the photos of him dead look dead, morticians have weighed in on that pretty decisively. He didn’t just have his xbox account go active after he had a fedex account and some other thing like streaming or an e-mail im not finding confirmations on. Then there’s the 2 guards who found him, read those interviews, again, doesn’t seem dead. Then there’s the notes in his cell with what seems like an escape plan that is for some reason partially redacted. And it goes on…
Did you look up anything I just typed or oh, no, you just hit reply and assumed you already know everything you need to? Don’t fret, I’ll edit in links after lunch for the lazy.
O…kay, you got any sources with even a shred of credibility? Because those are links to two random entertainers on youtube, a substack article (yay, nazi news platforms!) and an article that claims to have accessed epstein’s FedEx account but doesn’t provide even a screenshot as evidence.
No, not really. Substack is a blog hosting platform that pays it’s subscribers - including straight up nazis. While there may be individual substack blogs with journalistic value (although I have never personally seen one) the platform itself is a problem, and much as with twitter, it is perfectly reasonable for me to be skeptical of the people that choose to remain on it.
I’m not chatGPT, I’m not going to do your work for you for free. Those videos show you URLs in the files or… Who am I kidding, you aren’t going to do leg work, you’re so incredibly intellectually lazy as to write off all of substack and YouTube. GL skid
Who benefits from him being alive? His assets were seized so it’s not like he could plan his own escape. The evidence was also already seized so it’s not like he could keep evidence hidden. Most of his contact would be gone on the account him supposed to be dead. What would make him so important to keep him alive? It’s not to make sure he can’t testify because dead men also don’t testify. So what would be the reason for keeping him alive and out of prison?
Simple. It’s what Ghislaine wants and she holds all the blackmail in the world(almost literally). Jeffrey is hers, she gets what she wants.
Yeah it’s pain in the ass and overcomplicated but if this is an ongoing CIA Mossad operation it’s not really weird. The FBI has 14+TB of video footage logged in evidence. Imagine how much power Maxwell really weilds if she’s backed by Mossad
She is. At least some of the time. Swapping Maxwell would be insane right? Well not really when she already has such a sick deal where she comes and goes every day. It’s about as high risk for her as twins swapping places at school. If she’s that important to Mossad she already has a body double.
Her being alive this long used to really bother me after Epstein. His deadman switch never activated and she gets ignored then gets this wild deal while waiting for a pardon. Probably didn’t want to wait until midterms for the pardon and started having a double fill in so she could travel.
Yes I’m aware it sounds crazy but that deposition neither looks nor sounds like her 3 years ago and the response of releasing a bunch of b-roll footage of her is part of what sold me
What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch? What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability? Stop trying to make sense of a world that has none.
What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch?
There is no way she could die without the public overwhelmingly being angry about the situation, after what happened to Epstein. Therefore the best course for those in power is to placate her and give her the best conditions possible in exchange for her giving false testimony absolving them
What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability?
The fact they’re in power and able to quash investigations, and the public is generally too distracted by divisive politics like race and gender identity
Don’t give up understanding it so easily. You can make sense of it when you consider the motivations and limitations of the players involved
Bank account, another online account I’m looking for the link to. I edited in links to the rest. Probably more in a few days which is what i mean by goes on…
Also 4chan and a dynamic IP stopping the FBI dead lol
On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.
Somebody in Israel logged into Epstein’s Fortnight account a few years after his supposed death, FYI.
Is there any reason to believe it wasn’t hacked? If I’m murdered then my account being accessed doesn’t prove I’m secretly alive. Especially if I used insecure passwords like Epstein is reported to have done.
It’s not impossible, but if he was still alive I find it hard to believe he’d just access it once and never again. Stupid billionaires with bad passwords probably happens all the time and we just don’t know about it because they’re not at the center of an international child sex exploitation crime ring.
See, this is my take as well - other people knew/guessed his passwords and used his account that way. Keeping him alive really doesn’t do anything for the “it’s all a coverup” story, especially when a LOT of his associates and contacts are getting tangled up in this release of his files. Additionally, this guy was talking so openly about manipulating markets, sex crimes, and all sorts of legal and quasi legal shit that I find it hard to imagine that EVEN IF he was connected to Israeli intelligence like has been suggested, EVEN IF he got spirited out of prison and away to Tel Aviv, I find it hard to imagine Mossad would want to keep such a DEEPLY compromised asset alive instead of driving him into the Negev and putting two bullets in the back of his head.
Trump’s Twitter password was maga or something like that. After it got hacked I’m pretty sure it was maga2020 when it got hacked again
His original twitter password was, “yourefired”, which was found because it was his LinkedIn password during the breach a few years prior
Darknet Diaries has an episode about it: https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/87/
So I guess it’s maga2028 now?
nah they probably went back to 0-0-0-0-0 because he got too angry to shit and tweet at the same time again.
“We did it, lemmy!”
I would bet a handler was checking the device and fucked up.
and played a few ranked rocket league games for fun while they were at it
Then got pissed at the smerfs and killed himself
I hate this timeline so much
Their FedEx account was in use until 2024.
https://www.ontheditch.com/gained-access-to-epsteins-fedex-account/
That someone was exposed as a teenage “hacker”.
I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack.
“hacker”… According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.
I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
He was killed! He’s dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don’t go looking for him.
I’ve been hearing that the “changed handle” thing isn’t valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user’s profile (and that wasn’t the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though.
Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened.
it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it
i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint
Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved.
Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein’s businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm.
Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it…
True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though.
I’m not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn’t dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up alive.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I said.
This was a hoax, look it up.
I read somewhere that it was somebody else who changed their username to match his, and not the same account. Can’t find a source for it either way though.
I’m sure it was possible to swap Epstein out. I just don’t think there was the motivation for it
No one wants Epstein alive. The rich and powerful want to bury their crimes, normal people want retribution. The only motivator I can imagine would be a deadman switch, but even if Epstein were smuggled out, the rich and powerful would have dismantled any blackmail Epstein had by now and finished the job
I see no path that still has Epstein alive at this point
the best place to hide is the country that orchestated it, israel.
no i found a better hiding spot
If I had that much money I know I would have a “Hail Mary” boobytrap that released a bunch of incriminating evidence in case of my death.
That might be Ghislaine’s job.
if i had that much money, i’d probably start a big ass farm or something. not enough ass in the world today
Imagine if he’d been one of the state of the union guests.
Trump pulls off his face, gasp it was Epstein all along
Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?
Man comedy has gone so downhill.
Like there were the greats… Abbott, Costello…Kaufman, Belushi.
Millennials got fucked again. Foxworthy. Dunham. Cable Guy. Eddie Murphy’s later years. What have you done for me lately, Eddie?
We could’ve kept Chris Farley, but he had to die. And without him, David Spade is worthless.
and alot of those “comedy actors/actors” turned to be right wing turds.
Not impossible, but I don’t see what advantage there would be to keeping him alive vs just getting rid of him entirely.
A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.
I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.
That would make sense if he wasn’t arrested, convicted, interrogated and with a mountain of evidence in the hands of the FBI. A dead drop isn’t going to keep you alive if the person who wants you silenced thinks you’re already spilling the beans.
But even if that’s the case he’s alive until he clears the dead drop because he’d still be a loose end.
That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.
It makes keeping him alive, a matter of national security.
Who knows.
Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.
Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.
I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.
I love watching credible conspiracy theories turn into pure garbage conspiracy theories right before my eyes in one thread.
I hate when characters are killed off screen
It turns out the actor playing Epstein was himself involved in a sex trafficking scandal. He was fired. That’s why they couldn’t have an on-screen death for the Epstein character. The whole thing is super meta.
he definitely got assassinated, giving how fast they tried to cover it up, and the news/congress politicinas(both DNC/GOP) dint want it to come to light
Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?
The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.
I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.
So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.
The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.
Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.
Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.
No, we don’t. That’s a dumb conspiracy theory.
Sorry dude but he’s not dead. You have to look at the evidence beyond a headline but it isn’t some strechy conspiracy at this point. None of the photos of him dead look dead, morticians have weighed in on that pretty decisively. He didn’t just have his xbox account go active after he had a fedex account and some other thing like streaming or an e-mail im not finding confirmations on. Then there’s the 2 guards who found him, read those interviews, again, doesn’t seem dead. Then there’s the notes in his cell with what seems like an escape plan that is for some reason partially redacted. And it goes on…
Fun spin to put on “Epstein didn’t kill himself” but also, you know, come on.
Yes. Come on. Read. Watch. Investigate.
Did you look up anything I just typed or oh, no, you just hit reply and assumed you already know everything you need to? Don’t fret, I’ll edit in links after lunch for the lazy.
mortician on photos
Notes in cell
Guard statments (you can read these elsewhere I’m in a hurry)
fedex
bank account
Fortnite was another player changing their name according to Epic but no comment on the redacted vbucks purchase in the files.
“None of the photos of him dead look dead” isn’t a great choice as your very first point if you’re trying to make a compelling argument.
I have added links. I’ll add the other online account if I find it.
O…kay, you got any sources with even a shred of credibility? Because those are links to two random entertainers on youtube, a substack article (yay, nazi news platforms!) and an article that claims to have accessed epstein’s FedEx account but doesn’t provide even a screenshot as evidence.
While his sources lack credibility, dismissing every substack as a “nazi news platform” is disingenuous
No, not really. Substack is a blog hosting platform that pays it’s subscribers - including straight up nazis. While there may be individual substack blogs with journalistic value (although I have never personally seen one) the platform itself is a problem, and much as with twitter, it is perfectly reasonable for me to be skeptical of the people that choose to remain on it.
I’m not chatGPT, I’m not going to do your work for you for free. Those videos show you URLs in the files or… Who am I kidding, you aren’t going to do leg work, you’re so incredibly intellectually lazy as to write off all of substack and YouTube. GL skid
The only links in the descriptions for those videos are for Dr. G’s course, which isn’t a good look
Who benefits from him being alive? His assets were seized so it’s not like he could plan his own escape. The evidence was also already seized so it’s not like he could keep evidence hidden. Most of his contact would be gone on the account him supposed to be dead. What would make him so important to keep him alive? It’s not to make sure he can’t testify because dead men also don’t testify. So what would be the reason for keeping him alive and out of prison?
Simple. It’s what Ghislaine wants and she holds all the blackmail in the world(almost literally). Jeffrey is hers, she gets what she wants.
Yeah it’s pain in the ass and overcomplicated but if this is an ongoing CIA Mossad operation it’s not really weird. The FBI has 14+TB of video footage logged in evidence. Imagine how much power Maxwell really weilds if she’s backed by Mossad
She’s still in prison, so even if Epstein is alive somewhere, she hasn’t gotten him
Epstein would hold as much, or more, blackmail than her
If she held that level of power, she would be out of prison herself
She is. At least some of the time. Swapping Maxwell would be insane right? Well not really when she already has such a sick deal where she comes and goes every day. It’s about as high risk for her as twins swapping places at school. If she’s that important to Mossad she already has a body double.
Her being alive this long used to really bother me after Epstein. His deadman switch never activated and she gets ignored then gets this wild deal while waiting for a pardon. Probably didn’t want to wait until midterms for the pardon and started having a double fill in so she could travel.
Yes I’m aware it sounds crazy but that deposition neither looks nor sounds like her 3 years ago and the response of releasing a bunch of b-roll footage of her is part of what sold me
What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch? What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability? Stop trying to make sense of a world that has none.
There is no way she could die without the public overwhelmingly being angry about the situation, after what happened to Epstein. Therefore the best course for those in power is to placate her and give her the best conditions possible in exchange for her giving false testimony absolving them
The fact they’re in power and able to quash investigations, and the public is generally too distracted by divisive politics like race and gender identity
Don’t give up understanding it so easily. You can make sense of it when you consider the motivations and limitations of the players involved
Lol “and it goes on…”
Bank account, another online account I’m looking for the link to. I edited in links to the rest. Probably more in a few days which is what i mean by goes on…
Also 4chan and a dynamic IP stopping the FBI dead lol