That sounds like taxation without representation to me I guess Minnesota is EXEMPT
They lost the PR battle on ICE in Minnesota, so this is retaliation
Guess the GOP can forget about ever getting major votes in Minnesota again.
I guess they have voted Dem for president since the 70’s
You reckon? They’ll still have at least 30-40%
Do you think there are people out there who really think that Dr. Oz is a genuine expert in medicine and health & medical policy? Or would they be happy with any bootlicker who has a doctorate running the CMS?
Well Minnesota is a donor state in taxes, sounds like Minnesota could you know…not pay federal taxes this year
Fucking MAGA losers are going to murder more Americans. Minnesota is a contributor state and should withhold payment to the federal government. In fact, all the Blue States should do the same.
It’s a great idea, but the problem is people file their federal taxes as individuals and pay the IRS directly, so how are the blue states supposed to withhold the money?
Most people don’t pay their taxes directly; they are withheld from their paycheck by their employer. State and local governments are employers; they withhold taxes from their employees. They can report that they have withheld those taxes from the taxpayers, but transfer those taxes to the state treasury instead of the IRS.
The state could create a jobs placement program that operates like a temp agency. Workers participating in the program are employees of the state, not the business they are contracted to.
See my answer to glitch1985. I meant to put it here but accidentally clicked reply on their post instead.
Wouldn’t be all of it but the state could instruct any businesses in the state to not submit any federal tax it collects
The federal government will hold the taxpayer responsible for not paying their federal taxes. The employers withholding federal taxes from paychecks and not forwarding that on to the IRS would be committing a federal crime, but the IRS would still demand their tax payment from each taxpayer, just like how it happens if the employer didn’t withhold enough–the taxpayer has to send in a check.
That’s just how the system and law works. Federal law supersedes State law. You pay federal taxes to the federal government under federal tax laws, and the State has no power to say you don’t owe them.
The taxpayer is paying their federal taxes. The money is being withheld on their behalf. They are receiving a W2 stating their earnings and withholding. Their employer is properly filing, but they are not sending the money they claim to owe.
If your employer does all this, the IRS can’t blame you for not paying your taxes. You have proof that you did. The IRS can’t sue all of the company’s employees for the company’s failure to pay. They have to go after the company, not you.
They could even do it legally. If the state won a case saying the federal government illegally withheld Medicaid funds from the state and its citizens, the state could get an order to seize federal assets, including employee withholding from state workers.
Thanks, it’s good to know that it wouldn’t fall on the employee. I looked it up[1] and you’re right – if your employer withheld the money and you can prove it (either via the W2, or by producing your paycheck stubs showing the amounts withheld if there’s no W2), then the Feds will go after the employer, not the employee.
I also learned that if your employer didn’t pay the feds and/or give you or the Feds a W2, then it falls on you to prove they withheld money by showing the IRS your paycheck stubs (or by managing to get that info from the employer), otherwise you will still have to pay the taxes. So the lesson there is to save your paycheck stubs (or electronic copies thereof), especially the last one of the year showing the totals, just in case!
So, back on the topic of States trying to keep that money from going to the Feds, my previous argument would still apply, except that the employers would be held liable by the Feds instead of the individual employees, under current laws (AFAIK!). So if the State passed a law saying the companies have to give that money to them instead of the IRS, the companies would be in a catch-22 situation of Fed law saying Feds get it and State law saying the State gets it. So again, Fed law would supersede the State law and companies would have to give the money to the Feds.
Do you know a way the States could get around that issue? It would be great if they could but I don’t see how.
They can’t get around it for private employers, but state and local governments are employers and perform withholding.
The state could also enact a job placement program, and function as a temp agency: the worker is the employee of the temp agency, not the client company they are contracted to.
Those are good ideas, though the court costs of fighting Fed lawsuits might outweigh the amount garnered. And/or the Feds would retaliate by withholding other fed money owed to the state (like it’s already doing in some cases! Like the medicaid money for Minnesota, etc).
Something non-Minnesotans might have missed: Prosecutors from the Minnesota US attorney’s office have been quitting en masse, thanks to political pressure from Pam Bondi and others
This has certainly hampered fraud investigations, in addition to harming other prosecutorial efforts
In short, the federal government is hampering fraud prosecutions while punishing Minnesotans for the fraud
May all these monsters in this administration hang from their necks soon.
‘Just, please, someone from the outside come and do it so we don’t lose our jobs’
That’s going way too easy on them, they don’t deserve such a quick painless death.
Very true, it needs to be painful, it’s needs to be embarrassing for them, and it needs to be public.
Deep fry 'em.
Give em the old William Wallace
Wallace was taken from the hall to the Tower of London, then stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield. He was hanged, drawn and quartered—strangled by hanging, but released while he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated (with his bowels burned before him), beheaded, then cut into four parts. Wallace’s head was dipped in tar and placed on a spike atop London Bridge
This little tidbit was buried:
“We’re announcing a six-month national moratorium blocking all new enrollments for durable medical equipment– prosthesis, orthotics– supplies across the board,” he said, later adding that the move was “going to be effective, and it’s not going to touch the people who need these services.”
So good luck if Grandma needs oxygen, tell her to breathe deeper.
Also how do they block these services, and then say “it’s not going to touch the people who need these services?” Unless, y’know, they need these services.
Blocking new enrollments.
So if Grandma is already on oxygen, she’s fine. But if Grandma’s doctor decides she needs to START supplemental O2, well, too bad, your grandma is clearly trying to scam the system and will need to wait 6 months (at least).
Some for prosthesis. Terrible time for people to be losing limbs. Clearly there must be a significant black market for prosthetic legs, funded entirely by our tax dollars. (/s in case not obvious).
Like I said, Grandma can just breathe deeper, and I guess we’ll start seeing YouTube videos on “how to carve your very own pirate-style wooden peg leg, using common household items!”
Oh this is just murder, isnt it
With extra steps
Every two posts. Can we just vote tomorrow? Let’s all promise to never vote Republican ever.
Face it, this is a fascist nation. They’re going to starve us into obedience.
Causing harm to civilians in order to coerce the submission of a government is the very definition of terrorism
Technically it’s worse:
State terrorism is terrorism conducted by a state against its own citizens or another state’s citizens.[1][2][3][4] It contrasts with state-sponsored terrorism, in which a violent non-state actor commits acts of terrorism under the sponsorship of a state.
Governments that are accused of using state terrorism may justify their actions as efforts to combat internal dissent, suppress insurgencies, or maintain national security, often framing their actions within the context of counterterrorism or counterinsurgency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
I know people hate being pedantic, but we can’t afford to be lazy. Because that makes it harder to sort thru historical records to see how our ancestors overcame it.
MAGA uses old playbooks so much, we’d be idiots not to treat it like an open book test and see why it failed last time.
If words still had meaning
they do for most, it’s just words from fascists that hold no meaning or value.
They are sanctioning the state of Minnesota like it’s a foreign narco or terrorist state
Kind of a shit article. Just parrots the Trump administration’s claims, with no fact-checking or comments from anyone with actual knowledge of the Medicaid system.
The truth is, the courts will obviously reverse this punitive action. The fact they are doing it anyway shows they care more about hurting Americans who resist Trump than focusing on the economy, world relations, housing prices, etc…
