“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
We must not repeat this same mistake again. Remember to always vote in every election and consider volunteering to knock on doors. It can make a difference. There are elections that are decided with just a small number of votes.
THEN STOP FUCKING RUNNING CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS WITHOUT MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES
A FALSE CHOICE FALLACY IS A FUCKING FALLACY
Not a meaningful reason to let a facist win.
Wow then good thing I voted for Kamala huh?
You’re making absolutely no sense to your point troll
It doesn’t make sense to both vote for the Democrat in the general and to also want an actual primary and a candidate that isn’t as centrist as possible? Do you have 3 brain cells total?
A quick reminder that most everyone wasn’t voting for the “cOnSeRvAtiVe dEmOcRaT”. We were voting against a fascist wannabe king.
That you people can’t understand that there is a difference is clearly illustrated in the article.
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If you’re candidates only argument is, “I’m not the other guy” you’re going to LOSE
Don’t know why ppl are surprised we elected a wannabe dictator. The country was founded on genocide and slave labor
- It’s *your, and-
- LMAO.
We can either burn showly. Or burn quick and get the fire over with.
So, you admins it was purposeful??
Put another Clinton up there and see what happens.
Y’all thought you knew what you was doing when you sniped Bernie.
We built you a revolution and you burnt it down.
Clinton Democrats are the real bootlickers. Who wants to be a part of that?
Absolutely hilarious!
You didn’t build shit bud. But there is no fucking way you’ll believe anything I have to say. Gonna block you now. I don’t have the patience to deal with people like you.
Guess I came off a bit strong. Although when I think about 2016, my blood boils. And then they did it again in 2024.
And the funny thing is, I relish the moment we get a woman president. Then these 2 corporate hacks phonied their way to the front of the line and set women back at least 2 decades.
UPDATE:
This really had me thinking and I see that kind of attitude of sticking your head in the sand is just going to give us Trump part 3.
This person won’t read this but anyone else reading this need to understand that if you run fascist light, then you will get the fascist and your candidate will go home crying again.
You want people to vote, then give them what they fucking want.
“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
I’m sorry but that is bullshit. That’s like saying that the protestor died because the gun released a bullet, completely forgetting that the police aimed at them in the first place.
Voters stayed home because they felt uninspired by whatever democratic candidates tried to represent. The thing is, i’m in europe and i do follow the news, but i barely ever heard any specific plans from Kamala. i never got the “oh wow that’s a good idea” thought, because there was poor communication, no exposure, etc. It’s all a bubble. If you’re inside it, it seems like there’s a lot of communication. But that communication doesn’t leave the bubble because it doesn’t speak the other’s language. It refuses to communicate with people who are not already on the same page. That’s why a lot of commenters are gonna reply to my comment, saying “no, actually, Kamala’s messaging was great”. Because they experienced it like that, because they actively seeked out the communication, and found it. But to the typical voter, who’s not specially politically involved, and not specifically seeking out the communication, they don’t get exposed to it.
On top of that what i’m strongly considering is that our political stances need to recognize that people really just want to live, both now and in the future. They want to have the economical perspective that they can buy nice stuff, and that the world is somehow gonna develop into a better tomorrow. A political party is gonna win exactly if it can provide these two to the people. That’s what we need.
I really agree that communication is where the American “left” is way behind. Both in terms of individual campaigns and as a whole.
The American “right” now has endless well-funded platforms to push messages and narratives. Podcasts, streamers, YouTube channels, news networks, social media accounts, etc. They also embrace AI to increase exponentially the amount of content they can shovel out. And they understand you need to use apolitical or quasi political interests as an entry point.
There are examples on the left of all of these, but not at the same scale and with the same financial backing.
her messaging was ‘let’s just keep doing what we are doing’. so if you liked Biden, yeah it was ‘good’. But if you didn’t like Biden or establishment Dem politics it was a nothingburger.
which was stupid and not want american voters wanted. they wanted change. Trump offered it to them.
Maybe have a fucking primary and people won’t stay home.
Or, you know, vote, because fucking LUCIFER is on the ballot.
I can appreciate not wanting Lucifer to win but the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils, its not enough. The other guy has to make them want to get off their ass. Obama made people want to get out and vote. Trump did too, as much as I don’t like to admit it.
And that just means we Americans get what we deserve.
It’s a civic duty. The only people to blame are ourselves.
I don’t think that puts enough blame on the assholes with money who are taking advantage of the system and intentionally tipping the scales
And one way they tip the scales is by pusing the message that, if the Democratic Partty candidate is less than perfect, don’t vote. And meanwhile, corrupt, bloodthirsty criminals on the R side get a free pass. And the purists are too stupid to see that.
And I say this in full awareness of the DNC’s role in gutting the effectiveness of the Democratic Party as an agent of change.
Vote the lesser evil if that’s all there is. But also organize and drive corporate shills out of the party leadership.
if the Democratic Partty candidate is less than perfect, don’t vote.
Uhh… no. This couldn’t be farther from the truth and you know it.
We don’t need ‘perfection’ we just need ‘good.’
I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to realize this, but the lesser evil isn’t good.
I’m glad trump won because otherwise people like you wouldn’t be upset. If you don’t learn from this election, then you’ll get the same results in the next one.
I gotta imagine a fair amount of opposition to stuff like early voting or vote by mail is rooted in the idea that the easier we make it the more likely folks will vote for the lesser evil.
the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils
A huge number of choices in life are just that. So suck it up, Buttercup.
This person isn’t saying it’s not enough for them personally, they’re saying it’s clearly, obviously, per all evidence, not enough for MANY people - objectively enough to turn an election. So if you want better leaders you must motivate voters by giving them something to vote for. Lesser of two fascists pisses me off but I’ll hold my nose and vote. However, I also recognize this is a piss poor strategy since so many will not.
Your attitude isn’t very inspirational.
A Trump presidency isn’t either.
Eh, I’ll just sleep through it.
Life isn’t inspirational either.
In that case, I’ll find something else that’s inspirational. A relaxing walk by the lake, perhaps?
Why can’t you tell the people nominating corporate puppets to suck it up and fall in line?
Why does it always have to be the working class that suffers so rich people can be richer?
Why can’t you people be smarter?
If the voting public could be convinced of that Republicans would cease to be a viable party due to overwhelming voter turnout. But, well, Gestures to the last potus election
Problem is they know millions of votes are happening, and so how much does their vote really matter? Taking the time out of their life to stand in a long line to cast a single vote among millions… Doesn’t seem like it matters and other people will take care of it for them.
When they have something to bite for, they want to be a part of something. If it’s just about making sure the worst stays out, it’s a poorly motivated chore.
That is literally what made me vote. But they all suck for sure, other than a few.
You’re part of the problem.
And your rigid and unrealistic “principles” put Trump in office
Not really. It was the people selling out the working class.
Trump and Republicans sell out the working class way more than even the most boring DINO centrist/moderate Democrats.
Vote who is closest to your views, you’ll get closer to where you want to be.
If you want me to vote, then you need to stop nominating corporate puppets.
I’ve showed up at every primary, for example.
I guarantee you that for whatever district or race if you compare the Democrat and the Republican running in that race you’ll find that the Democrat is less corporate and cares more about the people than the Republican in that race does. Voting for the Democrat even the one who wasn’t your first choice in the primary brings you closer to where you want to be and helps shift the Overton window. Primaries typically happen every election cycle and eventually by electing enough Democrats flipping every seat you can will either result in the Democrat you believe is too corporate to shift their beliefs or will result in their ouster with someone who is less corporate.
if you compare the Democrat and the Republican running in that race you’ll find
This is the fucking problem, right here.
People dont make “”““rational””“” choices when they’re driven toward frustration and desparation, and democrats marketing themselves as ‘not republicans’ in lieu of offering any significant change is a massive source of that desparation.
The primaries are basically over by the time they reach my state.
I vote in primaries every year, it’s not just the Presidential election that has a primary.
I wouldn’t have thought that voting against fascism would have been something arms needed to be twisted over. But what do I know?
Everyone loves a good grassroots movement to outrage one another over!
Way to Win pointed to three main problems that cost Democrats last year: Voters were upset not just about rising prices but about longer-term economic trends, and wanted change; Republicans and the far right have a built-in media advantage, thanks to years of investments, which made it harder for Democrats to break through; and movements on the left around issues like Gaza, racial and economic justice, and immigration weren’t aligned with the party.
Yea… Close…Not quite though. Basically, YOU HAVE TON FUCKING ACT YOU DIP SHITS! Do real things people can fucking believe in.
As it stand I still want both sides out of all the offices. When you actually represent me and the voters… Not some corporate lobby group, PAC, or persons with more money than sense but “We The People”, then I might vote for you.
Mamdani is a good start… If he follows through.
We kinda knew that anyways. Those people thought “ahhh, there couldn’t possibly be that enough people to vote Trump again” and didn’t vote until the fact broke out to them on election day.
And it’s going to be an even harder pitch for Democrats if they keep pussy-footing the way that they have lately.
We’ve known since the day after election day something like 33 million fewer people voted, though.
These comments clearly show that people are completely fine to repeat the same mistakes that opened the door for a fascist to take up the throne.
Just report them as Russian bots cuz that’s what they are. They got away with this on Reddit. Let’s not let this stand on lemmy.
Naaah. They’re coddled here. Political correctness has gotten mods/admins so scared of making a mistake that they even protect a person using the well-known “attack helicopter” bullshit to antagonize the trans community.
I’ve been banned for calling this person out here.
Was also banned from a bunch of communities I don’t even post in for “bad jacketing” because I called out a well known troll that has tons of sock puppets.
Mods/admins are too chickenshit to make any big splashes here. Even when given proof.
It’s better than before but not everyone gets it yet. When you see a comment like that the solution is to acknowledge or understand their concerns and then explain why it’s still important to vote. The most common misunderstanding I see is that some people claim that both sides are the same because of one particular issue that is only a small part of what a candidate’s policies are. We can do a let’s look approach by asking them if they are the same on other issues and seeing if they are truly the same on the issue they are concerned about.
Or might be better to just educate people who are willing to learn instead of arguing with those who won’t.
Also with that said on more reflection I do realize that some of these issues are past grievances that people bring up and hopefully next time they will vote. For example I do think not having a primary did cause some people to stay home. We must not repeat that same mistake, the next primary must be done fairly.
I’d normally agree, but I’d say we’re way past that now.
What happens is we try and reason with these people when they clearly show no desire to see anything reasonably. They then scream at everyone and call them some some shit like “bLuEMaGa” and then have the nerve to whine when people don’t treat them with the respect they demand.
They don’t want to respect others, they just want to be respected. They don’t want to help others, they want others to help them. Their way or the highway. And it’s been this way from the beginning.
It’s entitlement.
I was here last election. I was among those trying to explain that no one was asking anyone to stand in an obedient line and ritualistically fall on their swords if the dems so much as asked-
We were simply asking for people to consider voting against fascism.
We were insulted, berated, disrespected and yelled at as if it was our fault Trump was even a candidate. Then they tried to prop up unknown and untested candidates that promised shit that was virtually impossible to achieve, like…. Abolishing prisons.
Not a single one of their spoiler candidates had a feasible plan to enact ANY of the policy they promised. And this isn’t from me, this is from pretty much anyone with a brain and authority on the subject.
So yeah… I’m done trying to reason with the unreasonable. They’re not going to budge on their rhetoric and nothing will change their minds. And I’m not the ass-kissing type.
The left is irreparably and permanently divided and these kids wouldn’t have it any other way.
Now, let’s see how quickly they all rush to prove my point.
they also report you and/or ban you if they are a mod. because if you don’t agree/respect their massive whiny entitlement you are literally ‘the enemy’ and must be silenced.
Yep. Definitely run into that before. And a few (who I won’t name) that actually try and bait you into saying shit that they can report you for.
Yes, please no shit candidates…ni one over 60 please. There is literally no reason to pick anyone in their 70’s. Sure the rules allow this, but please don’t. Also no repeats, no Clintons, bushes, trumps, Obamas, etc. There are plenty of other people with other last names. Bernie and AOC? Yeah I can get behind that. AOC would make a great president and Bernie can probably survive a presidency.
No one over 60… Bernie…
Bernie is 34 in his heart. He’ll be eligible when the time comes.
Okay, so AOC and Stephen Colbert?
Someone got it!
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Early voters saved the Canadian election if only because they got in before FacistBook went completely off the rails with fake news. So get in early.
It’s because America still doesn’t accept a woman can be president. Full stop.
Idiot Senile Rich Guy: 2
Highly Qualified Women: 0
Idiot Senile Rich Guy: 0
A Different Senile Rich Guy: 1
You’re being reductive. If Biden would have stepped back earlier, if Kamala wouldn’t have coddled Israel, if the dems didn’t cozy up to the Cheneys, if the party could have admitted where mistakes were made and promised to correct them, then dem voters would have felt like there’s a chance for their interests to be represented, then the election would have been a landslide.
I’m not saying America isn’t misogynistic, but the election loss isn’t solely due to that.
I agree with all the criticisms of the Dens, but none of that is worse than Trump. This would be different if we were talking about any other candidate, but we’re talking about a known rapist and scam artist who got actively let people die by a subpar reaction to a pandemic. Over 400,000 people died while Trump was in office during the pandemic.
After all that, they still voted for him over a woman.
Actively and materially supporting genocide with our tax money didn’t help.
Consistent gaslighting on every platform point by candidates and major party figures over the last … Your while life of you’re a millennial or younger.
Like, obviously the Republicans are worse but they lie about how far they’ll take their policy, NOT about the direct they’ll run with it.
Idk about that. Republicans lie about that too. Trump consistently said he wanted involved with Project 2025 and that he would release the Epstein Files.
Back to election misogyny-
It was the 2nd largest voter turnout in the history of US elections. Trump won more votes than he did in 2020.
Trump won men by a higher percentage in 2016 and 2024 than against Biden in 2020
Biden won more women in 2020 than Clinton in 2016 and Harris in 2024.
Well then you’re saying it’s mostly democratic women’s’ misogyny, because Kamala retained more male Biden voters than female
Yup. It’s both. Women can be misogynistic too. I see it all the time.
It wasn’t that so many stayed home, it’s that 2020 numbers were inflated by vote by mail allowances for Covid.
If folks hadn’t been allowed to vote by mail in 2020, Biden would have lost.
So, tankies. Got it.
Nah, this is about the people lacking the opportunity and/or motivation to bother to vote, more like apathetic rather than the much more active tankie. They may be loud here, but they are relatively rare.
It’s cute that all the liberals on .world learned this new word for which to blame all their problems
