• Taldan@lemmy.world
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    That’s what showed us how powerful the Cuban-American caucus has become

    Obama tried to normalize relations, Florida has been red ever since

    Cuban-Americans want Cuba to collapse. It’s pretty evil

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      Cuban-Americans want Cuba to collapse. It’s pretty evil

      if its so fucked as they claim, just leave Cuba to it and it will all collapse anyways, no need to impose sanctions and threaten invasion etc

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      As a Cuban-American myself, I find it shameful that the Cuban diaspora wants Cuba to die under the pressure of American interests. They want Cuba to be another Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic: great for American tourists, absolute shit for locals.

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      They are so evil(their ancestors owned slaves and were exiled for it) that they join ICE so they can get rid of people in their own community. Fuck Gusanos. I hope they all get deported to a concentration camp once the white supremists are done with them.

    • Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      So we should kill just under 4 million civilians then leave the country to warlords like we did in Iraq? Cuba is far from perfect but it doesn’t go around starting wars and is a tiny country. What’s with the obsession with it?

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        What’s with the obsession with it?

        It’s a communist state. The one thing capitalist states absolutely CANNOT tolerate is a communist state succeeding and providing a proof of concept.

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          Communism is the evolved version of Socialism according to .ML.

          Cuba has not obtained any of the goals for Socialism therefore it is not Communist.

          Source: Communists.

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            Well you could just go to Cuba for the source. They know and proclaim, officially, that they are a socialist state still in revolutionary phase.

            Not communism.

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              23 hours ago

              An authoritarian dictatorship with socialistic policies isn’t socialism and it is definitely not Communist.

              The term as it is used makes no sense.

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                23 hours ago

                The whole point of the last 70 years of war against Cuba has been to deprive and pressure them into collapse, and the authoritarianism, which I do not approve of or support, is an inevitable result of prolonged warfare.

                The fact that they have survived as a nation-state with any sovereignty is highly impressive.

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                I don’t care if you think that it’s communist, socialist, or an authoritarian dictatorship. Can we all just agree the US bombing it would not be a good thing? Can we focus on preventing that and then after Cuba is safe you can both go back to debating their communism credentials or whatever?

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                  18 hours ago

                  For sure. I didn’t get the chance to visit Cuba during the Obama years but my friends did and said it was a lovely place. I am definitely on the side of the Cubans.

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                Okay now you’re conflicting with yourself since you said according to .ml, which leans very heavily tankie. I’ve spent enough time in .ml comment sections to know huge swathes of them have zero problem with authoritarians so long as they’re on the right team. They’re the ones that, when someone else asked about authoritarianism in China, simply said that all states are authoritarian, which, to be fair, isn’t really wrong.

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                  Yeah, that the thing. Socialism is the withering state and Communism is the stateless version.

                  It is clear that Cuba is not a stateless society where the people control the means of production.

                  Saying Cuba is Communist is nonsensical. Even according to a Communist.

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                    21 hours ago

                    Communism is the stateless version.

                    Statelessness is anarchy practically by definition. Also, by this definition, communism has never been tried at scale, and if you’re getting your definition from .ml, I doubt they’d agree with that.

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        When Castro took over and seized the means of production, many wealthy property owners (of farms, refineries, etc., many closely affiliated with the US) fled to Florida. That was 1959-1963 or so. They remained bitter about it, and passed it on to their children. So, former Cubans in the US still hate the Cuban government. They want to see it fall. Not that they’d benefit from it.

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          Don’t forget they also owned slaves; their workers were slaves for the most part. And now their children are “slave catchers” in the US. Fuck Gusanos.

        • f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz
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          America can’t afford to care for its citizens, but it can afford 20 years of war, at one billion dollars per day, with the finale of handing the country back to the Taliban. 🤪

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            Consider if you go the New Testament for instruction on how to live, you are told to give away all your possessions, make no plans for the future, reject your family if they disagree with you, and stay celibate if you can (see respectively Matthew 19.21, Matthew 6.25, Matthew 12.48, and 1 Corinthians 7). This is the outlook of people who sincerely believed that the Messiah was going to return next week or next month, anyway very soon. It is an unliveable ethic, and when after several centuries the Second Coming had still not materialised and hope of it had been deferred sine die, more was needed in the way of ethics. Where did it come from? From Greek philosophy – not least from the Stoics – and from the Roman Republican virtues of probity, honour, duty, restraint, respect, friendship, and generosity that Cicero, Seneca, Virgil, Horace, and countless others wrote about and enjoined ceaselessly. ‘Christian values’ are largely Greek and Roman secular values. So, Christianity is not even Christianity.” An associated point reinforces this. The early Christians, like St Paul, were Jews. They believed that when you die, your body sleeps in the grave until the Last Trump, at which points the graves open and all the dead rise to be judged. St Paul said that the faithful will ‘see no corruption’ – that is, their bodies will not rot in the grave. But anyway, at the Last Trump when all rise, the faithful will be clothed in ‘new bodies,’ resplendent and fine. But “When Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire (which it very quickly did; it was legalised by Constantine’s Edict of Milan in 313, and made the empire’s official religion by Theodosius IX in 381; within the next few decades all other religions were proscribed) and churches were being built apace, all requiring relics of the martyrs and saints, these latter were found to have rotted (‘seen corruption’) in their graves. This embarrassing problem was quickly got over by importing another useful idea from Greek philosophy: Plato’s doctrine of the immortal soul, which entered Christianity via the Neo-Platonism of Plotinus and his followers. That is why, starting from several centuries after the lifetime of Jesus of Nazareth, Christians believe in such a tianity is not Christianity but borrowed Greek philosophy.

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        Obama was drone bombing people here in the middle east throughout his tenure. It’s bizarre reading Americans today with such rosy views of his foreign policy.

        During the Obama regime, the US killed people in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Uganda, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

        And there were several massacres of civilians during that time, such as the Kunduz hospital massacre in Afghanistan, the Al-Majala massacre in Yemen, the Al-Jadida massacre in Iraq, etc etc etc etc.

        From my perspective over here, Trump is just more of the same yankee bullshit.

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          You are correct, but Bush and Trump have been worse. Obama increased the transparency of the killings which is why the numbers look higher, but that wasn’t reported on very well and it was more obfuscated both before and after.

          To be clear, that doesn’t absolve him of his crimes.

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          Americans don’t like war, so when our government does horrifying war crimes in other counties, we try REALLY HARD to not think about it.

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            Well except for when we’re praising the troops or consuming the dozen of blockbuster movies and AAA video games about it every year.