So we should kill just under 4 million civilians then leave the country to warlords like we did in Iraq? Cuba is far from perfect but it doesn’t go around starting wars and is a tiny country. What’s with the obsession with it?
I don’t care if you think that it’s communist, socialist, or an authoritarian dictatorship. Can we all just agree the US bombing it would not be a good thing? Can we focus on preventing that and then after Cuba is safe you can both go back to debating their communism credentials or whatever?
For sure. I didn’t get the chance to visit Cuba during the Obama years but my friends did and said it was a lovely place. I am definitely on the side of the Cubans.
The whole point of the last 70 years of war against Cuba has been to deprive and pressure them into collapse, and the authoritarianism, which I do not approve of or support, is an inevitable result of prolonged warfare.
The fact that they have survived as a nation-state with any sovereignty is highly impressive.
Okay now you’re conflicting with yourself since you said according to .ml, which leans very heavily tankie. I’ve spent enough time in .ml comment sections to know huge swathes of them have zero problem with authoritarians so long as they’re on the right team. They’re the ones that, when someone else asked about authoritarianism in China, simply said that all states are authoritarian, which, to be fair, isn’t really wrong.
Statelessness is anarchy practically by definition. Also, by this definition, communism has never been tried at scale, and if you’re getting your definition from .ml, I doubt they’d agree with that.
Hence why claiming that countries are Communist is so ridiculous to begin with let alone calling Cuba Communist. It is silly, I am not sure they even claim to be Communist themselves other than having the PCC.
America can’t afford to care for its citizens, but it can afford 20 years of war, at one billion dollars per day, with the finale of handing the country back to the Taliban. 🤪
When Castro took over and seized the means of production, many wealthy property owners (of farms, refineries, etc., many closely affiliated with the US) fled to Florida. That was 1959-1963 or so. They remained bitter about it, and passed it on to their children. So, former Cubans in the US still hate the Cuban government. They want to see it fall. Not that they’d benefit from it.
So we should kill just under 4 million civilians then leave the country to warlords like we did in Iraq? Cuba is far from perfect but it doesn’t go around starting wars and is a tiny country. What’s with the obsession with it?
It’s a communist state. The one thing capitalist states absolutely CANNOT tolerate is a communist state succeeding and providing a proof of concept.
Communism is the evolved version of Socialism according to .ML.
Cuba has not obtained any of the goals for Socialism therefore it is not Communist.
Source: Communists.
Well you could just go to Cuba for the source. They know and proclaim, officially, that they are a socialist state still in revolutionary phase.
Not communism.
Wikipedia disagrees, but I don’t know enough about Cuba to really argue the point.
An authoritarian dictatorship with socialistic policies isn’t socialism and it is definitely not Communist.
The term as it is used makes no sense.
I don’t care if you think that it’s communist, socialist, or an authoritarian dictatorship. Can we all just agree the US bombing it would not be a good thing? Can we focus on preventing that and then after Cuba is safe you can both go back to debating their communism credentials or whatever?
For sure. I didn’t get the chance to visit Cuba during the Obama years but my friends did and said it was a lovely place. I am definitely on the side of the Cubans.
The whole point of the last 70 years of war against Cuba has been to deprive and pressure them into collapse, and the authoritarianism, which I do not approve of or support, is an inevitable result of prolonged warfare.
The fact that they have survived as a nation-state with any sovereignty is highly impressive.
I am very impressed with the Cuban people.
Okay now you’re conflicting with yourself since you said according to .ml, which leans very heavily tankie. I’ve spent enough time in .ml comment sections to know huge swathes of them have zero problem with authoritarians so long as they’re on the right team. They’re the ones that, when someone else asked about authoritarianism in China, simply said that all states are authoritarian, which, to be fair, isn’t really wrong.
Yeah, that the thing. Socialism is the withering state and Communism is the stateless version.
It is clear that Cuba is not a stateless society where the people control the means of production.
Saying Cuba is Communist is nonsensical. Even according to a Communist.
Statelessness is anarchy practically by definition. Also, by this definition, communism has never been tried at scale, and if you’re getting your definition from .ml, I doubt they’d agree with that.
Hence why claiming that countries are Communist is so ridiculous to begin with let alone calling Cuba Communist. It is silly, I am not sure they even claim to be Communist themselves other than having the PCC.
Don’t forget Afghanistan
America can’t afford to care for its citizens, but it can afford 20 years of war, at one billion dollars per day, with the finale of handing the country back to the Taliban. 🤪
When Castro took over and seized the means of production, many wealthy property owners (of farms, refineries, etc., many closely affiliated with the US) fled to Florida. That was 1959-1963 or so. They remained bitter about it, and passed it on to their children. So, former Cubans in the US still hate the Cuban government. They want to see it fall. Not that they’d benefit from it.
Don’t forget they also owned slaves; their workers were slaves for the most part. And now their children are “slave catchers” in the US. Fuck Gusanos.