You’re a barbaric nation for many reasons already, this will just be another nail in the coffin.
I always thought their oath of allegiance, done every day in school, sounded so much like something kids in North Korea would be forced to do.
This is just another thing to add to the pile.
Lol the fact that you’re even comparing them to a country that they literally genocided speaks to the effectiveness of American propaganda. Glad y’all eyes are starting to open up, but America has always been the evil country doing evil things lol.
I mean the majority of us are British decendant, who historically are not known for being kind to their neighbors lol
The worst of the Brits, if I remember the history of the first settlers correctly.
Yeah, it’s not even pay per view.
99% of Hollywood “entertainment” is just mindless violence.
the US has streamed several executions already. they just happened to be extrajudicial carried out by police/ICE
Those were streamed incidentally, not officially.
When police body cameras are always on and you execute someone, you’re not streaming it “accidentally”. You know you have a camera on your body while you murder someone and choose to do it anyway.
Police body cameras don’t stream. It is a closed system.
Sure. But they definitely know they’re being recorded when they execute someone.
This is a really odd argument that I can’t understand, there is a categorical difference between an official broadcast of a scheduled execution and the video from a police body camera being released following the police killing someone. I don’t understand how you can say they are the same thing, whether the cop remembers in the moment they have a camera on is irrelevant. Capturing an incident as part of routine recording and then releasing that video after the fact is not at all like scheduling an execution and broadcasting it live for the world to watch.
I don’t understand how you can say they are the same thing
The people doing the killing knows the cameras are on, watching their actions. And they go ahead and kill someone anyway.
Just because the US justice system hides tax payer paid public servants from concealing their lawfully required body cam footage is a US justice problem. But the cops know they’re being recorded at all times and they’ll kill an unarmed civilian anyway.
I am not following. From my perspective, the people doing the killing are in very different circumstances and the purpose of the cameras are completely different. The message being sent with an execution being conducted like this seems completely different than the message being sent when there is a release of bodycam footage showing police killing someone.
Hate to break it to you, but this has always been a barbaric nation that was founded on colonialism and genocide. Putting an execution behind closed doors does not change that.
After 3 years of full fledged US-backed livestreamed genocide it is quite astounding people are upset about an execution being livestreamed
Every nation is barbaric. Show me one that isn’t.
Maybe we can stay on topic, big guy, we’re shitting on America right now.
Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
Many of us want to be better.
Try harder, thoughts and prayers won’t cut it, you’re way past the no-return point.
We’ve been making it better for the last 250 years. There have been setbacks and regressions, but the overall arch has been progress. If we make it through this backslide we can still continue improving.
Many of us are frankly better. Its par for the course these days for the entire nation to be judged by the behavior of its worst, and if challenged, people will say if we don’t like it we should be in the streets protesting violently. But it’s a lot of armchair quarterbacking IMO and I try not to let it bother me. We’re donating and volunteering to support a blue wave in the midterms. If this doesn’t impress Europeans on Lemmy I have no shits to give.
Not enough to do anything about it though, it seems.
I wish I knew how and what to do. Born into a society with unions rapidly declining in the 80s and 90s. That is where a lot of front end action starts to take place, and the U.S. doesn’t have nearly the same union presence it did 40-50 years ago. It’s a 2 party system, and both parties suck. The status quo here has been dismantling people’s collective ability to organize, for generations at this point. Whether or not anyone will admit it, they are scared and subjected to enough propaganda on a daily basis to be coerced into being anti-union.
The brick by brick wall built between citizens and their own well being is astonishing. 9/11 was middle school for me so a lot of the bricks were observed in my lifetime.
The most well organized militias happen to be aligned with the current administration, which is baffling for any number of reasons, but not trying to deep dive that.
I think it would take a large group of our politicians to admit we got way off track, issue formal aplogies to friends, neighbors, and allies. Then request formal 3rd party help. At this point, short of that happening I truly do believe the US will implode on itself within the next 50 years.
Executive action needs to be removed or reworked entirely. Term limits across all governing bodies, Supreme Court, senate, house, all of them need an expiration date and term limits. For the judicial I would go as far as to say they are selected at random from pools of high level judges. What we have now is just a collective of leeches.
I hear what you say, growing up in similar environments. Humans have always been oppressed by other humans when they’re allowed to. The only reason we ever had freedom is because we bled and fought for it. America will need to bleed for this to be solved. Trump is ready to be violent and oppressive. The people need to be that back, but in much greater numbers to match and overwhelm.
What you say can be avoided, but it needs millions marching with guillotines to get back on track and avoid. There will be no peaceful transfer of power, and I think we can all see that.
I wish it were different. I truly do.
I’m trying man. I vote, I volunteer, I protest, I work my ass off to educate myself and others around me. I’m careful about how I spend my time, attention and money and support people and causes I see as useful. I train, practice and prepare for if and when things get violent. I work with others in my community to make myself and those around me more resilient. I see hateful signs and stickers and I take them down and actively confront hateful dipshits around me.
So what do you suggest I do more? And would you do that yourself?
In a just world that would be more than enough. Sadly Trump’s America isn’t just anymore. It’s extreme. What it sounds like to me is you’re preparing for war, while i Trump is actively waging war.
Would I do more than you are now? No. But I have much to lose and people who depend on me and I can’t actively resist. Were I to find myself with inoperable cancer, or at my end, family deported etc, I’m not sure with anything to lose I could say I’d be inactive. That’s what most surprises me about Americans now, is that there’s so few people willing to go to the extremes when they have nothing to lose. It boggles my mind actually.
I see. So you are advocating that others do something you yourself aren’t willing to do. That’s kind of the problem, you aren’t the only one who “has anything to lose”. Everyone has something to lose and it’s incredibly difficult to do what I think you’re getting at. Yeah most people aren’t doing even the bare fucking minimum but everyone from the outside looking is like “why aren’t they picking up guns and just shooting?”.
Well there’s some very simple and some very complicated reasons for that. Most people aren’t psychopaths or murderers until things are bad enough and they are affected directly and even then people have to get pushed pretty far.
I’m not American and I’m not visiting until I’m sure it’s no longer fascist. America is not my responsibility. It’s the responsibility of Americans, and I don’t see anything responsible happening down south at all.
There must be millions of citizens affected by Trump policies now, and there’s been two sad assassination attempts only. That’s what I’m getting at. Where’s the disgruntled ex military guy, or the no more Medicare guy? They’re all absent. I’m not asking family men and women to get results.
Sorry but doing anything about it would be “barbaric” according to people like you.
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If any society from more than 60 years ago doesn’t seem barbaric, it means society hasn’t progressed and shit is fucked up.
Even oldschool public executions is tame compared to this though, because it’ll be live streamed globally and recorded.
When you look at shit happening today and it’s 1,000 times worse than a century ago, it’s fucking noteworthy.
Stop acting like this shit isn’t a huge deal and it’s always been like this.
The Vietnam war was less than 60 years ago. Plus all of the wars in the middle east, our torture black sites, overthrowing democracies for profit, etc.
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You think it’s a clock and is only real after 60 years?
Progress is a constant thing. It’s pushing a cart up hill. If youre not further up the hill every step, it’s not progress.
60 years, 60 months, 60 days, 60 minutes…
The length of time doesn’t matter, just that progress happens.
Every well adjusted person should have a shit ton of regrets, because they keep progressing as a human and find prior behavior unacceptable. That’s the same for a nation.
Do you legitimately not understand that?
What is the progress tho? US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years. It is as fucked in the head as it ever was.
What is the progress tho?
There hasn’t been any…
From the early 90s to 2025 the neoliberals controlled the DNC. They kept moving right, so Republicans did the same to differentiate.
We finally have a non biased DNC again (Obama just ignored it, or wed have gotten in in 2009 and shit never would have gotten this bad)
That means a neoliberal won’t win the next presidential primary, because they could never win a fair primary. It took Hillary hiding behind Bill’s charisma to get them the DNC in the first place.
But all of that was orchestrated by the wealthy to stop progress. They just plan on generational timelines.
US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years.
Gaza? The government has been enabling it, but acting like it’s already America commiting a genocide, just means when/if our government crosses that line, people are numb to it.
That’s a widely used propaganda technique, and trump himself does it all the time. Everytime he says “we may do that” is so some people get outraged early, and that prevents people from getting outraged at the same time.
Like, I fully understand your intent and that you think you’re helping, but you’re only helping the oligarchs when you blur lines like this.
Not to mention thats everything thats public information. You go behind the scenes and you’re begging to lose all hope and meaning.
I guarantee there will be all sorts of meme videos about it. Lots of AI videos, too.
But how will they feel smart then?
There’s enough pedos in politics without bringing drake into this…
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I think that there’s a difference between being barbaric while trying to appear civilized and being barbaric and proud of it. Both are bad, the latter is worse.
If you can’t see the difference, from an ethical standpoint, between livestreaming an execution and keeping it away from the eyes of the general population, you’re a bit of a sociopath.
I’ve been waiting 40 years now for that leftward swing.
Best we’ve done so far is Obama passing a heritage foundation free market based “healthcare” system.
Don’t forget extending and building upon the Patriot Act!
You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
You’ve always been this way and it’s taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK again…
Classic murica.
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40% undecided.
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40%
undecideddon’t see an issue with barbarism.FTFY.
We just don’t have the luxury of that argument, I’m afraid… The problems here are systemic and exist within each of us to some degree.
got a loicense for that opinion, mate?
Yeah, the U.S. sucks but people from the U.K. can shut the fuck up about it.
American here. People from everywhere and anywhere can say whatever they want about the US. If that makes you feel bad, you can log off and not read the comments.
I love a lot of things about this country, I work hard and am actively working towards trying to make the America around me less shitty. But the comments and criticisms on America and the people that live here and who is in power are valid. Don’t like it, fine and you may fuck off and go do something productive.
We passed the “barbaric” marker a long time ago.
Yes, but this publication is conservative. When they’re saying it’s barbaric, it’s bad.
Sorry you already are
I got some bad news for you…
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You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration camps…
Imprisoning Trump and his goons wont make a difference. Treason and mass murder need to be dealt with in a permanent way.
We’ve always been a barbaric nation. Please stop pretending that we haven’t.
Not the unprovoked bombing of a school?
Yeah but that was like over there. This is here. You know?
True! Alright so I’ll roll coal with my rented and lifted F350 tonight!!! w00t w00t
The country was literally built on genocide and slavery. OP, Remove the “if” and replace the comma with a period.
