Dumb fucks really think LLMs are the kind of AI involved in medical and scientific research.
Yeah. At this point LLMs are what people are referring to 95% of the time when they say AI. If one comes up with the cure for cancer, it’s because we already have it and it picked it up in the last data scrape.
And someone wins the coveted Nobel Prompt Prize.
And in 4.5% of the remaining 5% they reference generative AI
Then 0.45% of the remain they’re referring to NPCs in games.
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LLMs is a subset of generative AI, but an image generator as an example is not a LLM
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Transformers and diffusion models are not the same, even if they use related math
Edit: By the magic of advanced mathematics, every Turing complete structure can be rewritten into any other Turing complete structure with no loss of function or change in behavior
So the logic “remove one” will remove all of modern computing because the AI companies are not giving to their models. If they have to start pretending they aren’t neural network anymore they will.
And if you DON’T rewrite, then you’re back to them actually being different again
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ChatGPT, cure cancer for me.
No, that didn’t work, try again
That one gave me a rash, try again.
That last one did not work, also the rash is starting to look a little gross.
Sorry for the delay, I had to go to the ER to get my arm amputated from the rash, can you try again, also look for a cure for amputated arm.
But they are?
Uses LM to define new peptides to bind targets.
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So, the manuscript I referenced which no one read uses a language model. you just input text protein sequence and it will generate binding peptides sequences, using only the language model. A version of an LLM.
They absolutely are, but most people on this platform would prefer to hear their comfortable lie instead.
No, chatbots are not used in medical or scientific research.
I’m not such why you’d utter such a lie so confidently. This reeks of fear, ignorance or a mix of both.
No, chatbots are not used in medical or scientific research.
So you’re a scientist?
I use LLMs every day, they search deep into supplemental data and manuscripts that would take months to sift through. Can’t find specific information, reagents or data using title and abstract searches.
LLMs can be useful tools, but this entire thread is people with bullshit jobs scared of being replaced by an algorithm because they know they have a bullshit job.
generative ai? I dont think so.
Most research is done using PREDICTIVE ai not generative ai.
And no one’s against machine learning, but fruit romance videos do not cancel out surveillance, inequality, and destruction of nature.
Medical fields have been using machine learning successfully for years before llms caught the shit sniffing attention of vc’s. Current levels of llms are like tar pits for your brain and take either hate or intellect or both to get away from.
People that advocate for llms as ai are malicious actors and literally the worst kinds of people. It’s so obvious, I don’t know why more of society can’t see right through this shit. Like, I do know, but it’s still frustrating to have to live in this wasteland of society right now, knowing how much time and energy and life force, essentially, is gonna be wasted because of whatever this fucking political cold war we’re in.
Yep, folding@home and WCG have been doing this for a long time with actual measurable breakthroughs.
Imagine how much of a fucking loser you’d have to be to waste the precious moments of your life asking a computer to make this for you.
how much of a loser do you have to be to believe that AI (LLM) is generating cures for diseases?
That’s like saying books will cure cancer if you just lwt them.
In fact the AI bubble has dried up investment in the very same medical research that they think it’s revolutionising.
So where’s that miraculous cure, then?
Dude, didn’t you read that comic? The anti-AI psycho destroyed it. The vibe scientist probably tried to type in the same prompt again but this time the answer was in Mandarin.
Google discontinued development of alphafold, broke up the team, let many go and transferred the rest to general LLM development except for some that were moved to their vertically integrated own pharmaceutical research (to cash in on the whole value chain and lock everyone else out of their tools).
Mind you, that is the tool that got people a Nobel Prize.
https://thenextweb.com/news/deepmind-alphafold-team-dismantled-gemini-anthropic
Now we see the tech being used for the whimsical and capricious, but also the potentially destructive, like that hacking incident.
Google discontinued development of alphafold
No they did not, it’s on version 3 and they just added >50 PTMs to modelling this month. Another version is being developed and sold to pharma on subscription on a large scale batch modelling platform.
broke up the team
The team continued on to other projects, including the commercial version mentioned above. There was no point in continuing when the development was just adding more features.
the tool that got people a Nobel Prize
2 people from Deepmind, Jumper and Hassabis, one person at U Wash , Baker, is still developing AlphaFold with Google and is a academic lab.
You put a lot of faith on one vague article.
You partially correct my statement but weirdly enough largely confirm it, just with a PR twist. “There was no point in continuing when the development was just adding more features.” But it is not, AlphaFold 3.0 is still far from perfect. We need more than just a few more added features. But the next big step will be either some closed thing, developed by a largely changed team, sold for a fortune as subscription model to pharma multis or be done by entirely different groups that have nothing to do with Google or Deepmind.
There is a reason why Hassabis is not working on it anymore and of course he will say it was all as it should be, given how he was moved upwards.
Why are AI simps so fucking weird?
I highly doubt AI is just spitting out “cures” , they are used as tools as it should be. Would not take medicine completely generated by AI.
AI Art is not even made with AI but with the art of real life artists mushed together and i don’t even care that much but it just isn’t ART in the objective sense of the word. Those AI Artists want the same admiration we have for real artists and thats just crazy.
We need this as stickers
God why do LLM comics look so fucking uncanny
Because perspectives get misaligned and there’s no continuation.
There’s a whole desk with books that just disappears. The poster in the background can’t decide what it wants to say. Nor can it decide on its size. The shelves in front of it can’t decide what they contain or where they are positioned And the wall it’s on can’t decide how it’s angled relative to the room.
The “NO AI” dude is taking a giant step forward with his left foot behind a garbage bin for some reason.
In the third panel the doctor is missing a ring-finger while his thumbs have grown 3-4cm
Just to name a few.
The stupid texts all over the place that are made to sound deep yet are somehow devoid of any useful information make me irrationally angry. You can really tell these models have been optimized to generate powerpoint presentations for creatively bankrupt low-level managers
LLMs have discovered deepities. It’s so nauseating.
But even when they get everything right they just trigger alarm bells in my head, like the way their faces and eyes look freaks me out.
My favourite is the googly-ass binocular microscope. Maybe two scientists are supposed to use it at the same time like 50s teens sharing a milkshake.
The “uncanny” part I think isn’t because it’s done badly, it’s because it’s done well - but not in any of the ways you’d get from a human. By the time a human artist has learned to get that good at shading, colouring, line work, human figures, posing etc, they’ll have also learned about composition and perspective and good storytelling and when to not pointlessly overload the background with weird shit.
Yeah that scans, its like when it’s taken as a whole it looks off. The people and poses look like they’re copied from this platonic stamp somewhere rather than drawn.
when its actually useful, sure. great. complex algorithms solving problems is nothing new. its appreciated.
when you automate everything to the point that it will kill billions of people and destroy the planet. then it becomes every humans moral imperative to skin everyone responsible and hang their corpses from the street lights as a warning to others who plan on doing the same.
Exactly, for every cancer cure AI generates, it generates an incomprehensible ammount of shit, not just slop, but actively harmful content, like revisionist history, lies about science, oceans of exploitative media, terabytes of hallucinations, novells worth of psycological manipulative chats with vulnerable individuals, and more.
All of that while producing pollution that will increase the risk of cancer in the first place, completing the circle.
This shit can’t even keep a consistent background over 4 comic panels
The scientist’s desk design changes in all four panels as well.
One thing I have to ask is why the AI insists on having slogans and lists on every object in its “illustrations.” You can see this everywhere. Hell, I went to a close friend’s funeral and they had AI generated memorial stickers. Even there, there are signs filling the negative space saying shit like “dedication, service, a safer community.” Is this an AI proclivity or do normal people just like that crap?
It’s essentially by design. To keep AI from destabilizing, the way AI is tuned is to essentially ‘go the same safe way’ on similar prompts. LLM models are essentially a giant field of weights for chains of tokens. Prompts are turned into tokens and the closest result is the output. The more room you give it to vary, the more different styles and variation it can express with a propmpt, but it raises the chance of destabilizing the ouput, producing things like additional fingers or complete garbage. It’s tuned to walk the same way to produce something we perceive as “passable” but it comes at the cost of taking away variation, which is why AI art/writing will consistenly converge towards the same narrow style set.
(This explanation is not super accurate. I just tried to convey the jist of it)
It’s hilarious what it does with a room full of table and chairs like a classroom. Cannot figure the legs, what a chair looks like, how people sit at desks, none of it.
Still with the missing fingers too
Giving LLMs credit for all machine learning is problematic
This is their go to motte-and-Bailey argument fallacy. Say something outlandish, get called out on it, retreat behind something more reasonable and how no one notices before sallying forth with unreasonable claims again.
I feel like anything involving electricity will be called AI fairly soon.
It makes steak taste better.
Yeah machine learning for medical research has been around for a lot longer than LLMs. LLMs do not do medical research, they are just really expensive and fancy “next word” auto-correct generators.
I remember way back when with the Folding at Home project. That’s a type of machine learning distributed. People happily contributed their computer time. Hell, there were contests around how much compute time a particular group could give.
I am pretty sure the “AI” systems making medicine aren’t the same as generative AI.
There are actually some, but you wouldn’t recognize it as generative AI.
Math is a structured language for conveying relationships, a mechanically verifiable system, and a system for verifying those statements.
This doesn’t work for all math, but a lot of it.So you can train an LLM on math the symbolic language and then mechanically check the output for validity and immediately feed the lesson back in.
Mechanically shitting out math and then throwing away the junk has been a thing for a while without llms. What they bring is a system for picking the next step for the derivation that’s less likely to end up being junk.
So if you can model it with math you can use that model to mimic the pattern of symbols that’s often valid.It’s moderately more efficient at searching infinity for value than other systems.
So it doesn’t give you a medicine, it gives you the mathematical description of a molecule, with an abstract proof that under certain models it might have utility and be physically possible, which another program can feed into simulations to see if it’s something worth looking at.
It’s not just
What an absolute triumph of human intellect! By asking for a pharmacological cure for cancer, you have single-handedly pushed the boundaries of computational oncology, and it is a breathtaking honor to co-create history with you today!
It’s viewed as having potential by people who aren’t delirious largely because of the “mechanically verifiable” part.
They are not. They are purpose built systems that leverage specialized knowledge.
The problem is you have people asking LLMs to find a cure for cancer and have no way of knowing if the output is any good. Then those people start emailing everyone saying they cured cancer.
Random dipshits asking ChatGPT, at best, would just give you a story about a cure for cancer. It wouldn’t actually be able to cure cancer even under the best circumstances since it was made to be a chatbot, not a medical research tool. It’s like going to Burger King and asking for a pizza. 🤣
I don’t have experience with cancer but my email has seen an increase in people claiming to have used an LLM to design a perpetual motion machine
