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Victims can open the app and track a tagged suspect’s location and direction of travel once they come within a 2km radius. If that distance falls below 1km, police and probation authorities receive an alert and contact the victim.
seams okay for me
That seems pretty short though, surely it would mean you are not allowed to live, work or even vist the same town they live or work in.
Like if anyone I knew was to be my stalker, one of us would have to quit their job and sell their house to relocate.
Stalking victims frequently have to move regularly to escape their stalkers. Stalkers needing to avoid one town is a minimal restriction for their offense.
The problem is when you think about actual non-stalkers.
I think this is a too rough, crude, gross, extreme, disproportionate and easy to abuse and misused “solution” for that problem.
There are many overly narcissistic and self-centered people who are going to be thinking that anyone who walks in the same direction as they are necessarily an stalker, and then there is the issue of revenge, blackmail, hate crimes and so on that a person can commit with an application of that nature.
No
actual non-stalkers.
If you’re in the app, you’ve already been categorised by the legal system as a stalker. If non-stalkers are being categorised as such, that’s the problem, not the app.
I thought you meant short for the victim… like 2km seems not enough. I would expect something more like 10km or something.
This is just for an alleged rather than convicted stalker. Distances like that mean you would need to relocate to another part of the country over an allegation.
This is both a fitting punishment and a nightmare from a privacy perspective
…and a great security/relief for victims. I’m a vivid apologetic for privacy and security, but this seems like an acceptable thing.
People seem to be fine to be transparent and 24/7 surveilleid with their phones. Some even seem to be fine to install doorcams from US-bigtech or spy-devices that can switch on a light. Heck, they even pay for those!
This at least is a vers useful application of privacy invasion.
People seem to be fine to be transparent and 24/7 surveilleid with their phones. Some even seem to be fine to install doorcams from US-bigtech or spy-devices that can switch on a light. Heck, they even pay for those!
yeah, not us
Yeah, assuming courts take the rights of the accused seriously it could be a win win, especially awaiting trial and during reintegration after prison. More safety and security for the victim and less need for more restrictive measures for the accused/released. It could easily be the difference between being stuck in jail for months and being granted bail.
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The problem is when you think about actual non-stalkers.
I think this is a too rough, crude, gross, extreme, disproportionate and easy to abuse and misused “solution” for that problem.
There are many overly narcissistic and self-centered people who are going to be thinking that anyone who walks in the same direction as they are necessarily an stalker, and then there is the issue of revenge, blackmail, hate crimes and so on that a person can commit with an application of that nature.
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Ok, but consider the falsely accused who may be stuck in jail awaiting trial. Yes, this is absolutely a burden on the accused, but it’s a significantly lighter burden than other means of ensuring safety for the accuser.
It definitely should be used with caution and as part of an attempt to find a balance between the needs of the accused and accuser. But fortunately that seems to be the case at the moment.
Well, if someone is falsefully labeled a stalker, then what happens? He won’t come near.
Also, as said, the chance this stalker is already fine with being tracked all around by every device he owns, is probably near 100, so who cares?
Living on Earth is a nightmare from a privacy perspective.
They have space binoculars pointed at you & AI is allowing them to transcribe everything you say into words even they can understand
How short will Orswell, Asimov, Huxley or Bradbury be…
Aldous would be hunched over from perspective & the weight of understanding.
George is standing tall with a trail of aspiring writers behind him.
Issac is hiding in a cave, pondering the essence of technology.
Ray is floating in a vacuum of space, imagining the concept of oxygen.
All are exactly the same height, 1 book tall. Unless you are counting their bones, which are likely mostly brittle or ash.
Brilliant!
You know what? I’m OK with a panopticon specifically for convicted stalkers. I realize the potential for a slippery slope, but I think the risk is worth it in this one case.
It wont stay confined to stalkers, it’ll start being used for poor people in general.
Trangressions like being late to work will be held against you. You know they will.
Don’t know about you, but I’m already reprimanded if I’m late for work, whether they’re tracking my real time location or not.
uses data from court-ordered electronic ankle monitors
Soo, your line of thought says that we are all gonna gef an ankle monitor? At that point i doubt the app is the kickstarter of the problem…
then you’ll realize the even bigger slippery slope when you reread the article and discover it is for suspected stalkers
The article says suspects, not convicts.
And all this means is they’ll be limited to online stalking.
It only shows their location within a certain range.
And considering that this is a punishment for violating someone else’s privacy I can get behind this.
Ankle tags if anyone is wondering:
That’s a lot cooler than the absolutely nothing they do in the US for stalking victims.
Stalking is such a fucked up phenomenon. I’ve seen it happen to someone. It’s just insane. They stop at nothing, they’re obsessed to the point of psychosis. Most of them never admit any wrongdoing either. The first step to treating psychopathology is for the client to admit the issue. If you can’t get there then there’s no hope for recovery.
This makes more sense since I was thinking if it’s based on their gps activity from their phone, that can be spoofed lol
Now do the same with corporations and ceos
South Korea gives corporate employees app to track their CEO?
Alert! There is a corporation within 1km of your location!
Fun fact: Waluigi is famously the evil version of Luigi
kinda poetic.
I imagine it makes beeping noises and displays a blip on a radar display like the proximity devices in alien movies. Shudders.
Time to grab the flame thrower
Imagine getting buzzed every time your stalker’s train passed near your apt on their way to work or vice versa.
And so it seems the stalker has become the stalkee. Delicious.
Yeah. Pretty reasonable tbh this one fuck stalkers
So how does this work if a convicted stalker just lives or works within a few km of where a victim lives or works?
Like another commenter said. Stalking victims already have to move to avoid their stalkers. This puts that responsibility on the offender rather than the victim. And a good relief for the victims
Ah, TIL, thank you, I didn’t see that!
I have no idea, but if I had to guess based on a couple of court cases that came up on youtube, the stalker has some carve out where they can go to work, but they have to take very inconvient ways to get there to minimize proximity to the victim.
The judge would probably make stipulations in fringe cases like that.
It’s interesting that I’ve never seen a single Korean news article about this. And this is a country where even the petty stupid arguments between neighbors make national news.
I know of a case where an assault victim got a special device that relayed the proximity of their atacker starting from 3000 meters.
It was paired with the ankle bracelet and it only beeped proximity. No location. If a certain range was breeched, it would relay instantly to authorities, which are mandated to call the bracelet carrier imediatly. No answer/range reduction, immediate victim call/visit/collection.
Does that transform the victim to the stalker making the stalker the victim and the victim the stalker putting the anklet on the stalker because now they are the victim and the previous victim becomes the new stalker, making the previous stalker the new victim…
I think you’re joking, but in case you’re not… This is just like the paradox of tolerance, everyone has a right to privacy and freedom but if they violate other’s rights, society will in exchange take away theirs. We don’t (generally) call imprisoned criminals “victims of kidnapping” either.
The paradox has a lot to it and is mostly misunderstood.
No.
Yeah… that was the joke.
Yes.
what if u pretend to be a victim its a good idea tho i think the makers arent trying to use it for bad
What if you shut the hell up and believed victims?
Believe anyone at any time for any reason? Sounds tenable.
