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      https://infosec.pub/comment/23712904

      Trump’s policies were all unpopular and people hated his ideas.

      He won because media told people the Democrat’s good ideas were his and that only be could be trusted to implement them, and too many believed it. He copied promises from Kamala outright and media only reported on his statements and not hers.

      People LIKED the Democrat campaign plan. They were simply convinced to not trust it by propaganda.

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      You’re learning the wrong thing

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/harris-trump-economic-proposals-poll

      Kamala Harris’s economic policies proved far more popular than Donald Trump’s plans in a blind test of their proposals.

      https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/trump-wins-while-americans-vote-for-progressive-policies/

      This was not a loss on policy. This was not a loss on ideas.

      This was a propaganda war, people were lead to fear the Democratic party and were convinced Trump was a good businessman.

      People said they voted for Trump due to the economy, while every economic policy they liked when presented it without a name attached came from Kamala. They HATED Trump’s ideas when his name wasn’t attached.

      Stop teaching yourself the wrong lesson. Get prepared to fight the propaganda, don’t join the infighting.

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        Policies are meanignless if you are bad are presenting them or people do not trust that you will accomplish them

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          Listen to her speak, she is actually really good at presenting her policies, the issue is nobody will pay attention to her and she won’t lie to get the attention she feels she needs like Vance has stated he does. Remember during the 2024 election cycle when she literally had to chase down reporters? There are endless examples of her walking up to the press and trying to discuss policy just for them to shut her down without a chance to speak… meanwhile those exact same people were doing anything to be the 9 trillionth person to report on whatever nonsensical blatant lies and hate were spilling out of Trump’s mouth at the time.

          And all of that aside…how in the fuck are you going to claim somebody lost to Trump because they were bad at presenting policy? Trump has the poorest speaking abilities of anybody in the entire history of US politics, same with his displayed understanding of policies, laws, governmental structure, constitutional framework, etc. He is literally the absolute worst we’ve ever had at all of the things you say are the reasons the other side lost.

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            yes, when we she get the credit she deserves for being such a great communicator?

            Kamala Harris on geography: So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.

            on community banks: We invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs and desires of that community as well as the talent and capacity of community.

            on the pandemic: We also recognize just as it has been in the United States, for Jamaica, one of the issues that has been presented as an issue that is economic in the way of its impact has been the pandemic.

            on Roe v. Wade: I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled. Certain issues are just settled.

            on the 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade: I think of this moment as a moment that is about great momentum.

            on a mass shooting in Highland Park, Illinois: We’ve got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to take this seriously.

            on space exploration: It is critical that we… partner to ensure that we are speaking the same language with the same motivation, inspired by the opportunity of it all, but then doing the work of updating how we have been talking and thinking about our exploration in space.

            on transportation: Together, we are expanding access to transportation. It seems like maybe it’s a small issue; it’s a big issue. You need to get to go and need to be able to get where you need to go to do the work and get home. Kamala Harris on the record flow of illegal immigrants crossing the border We have a secure border in that that is a priority for any nation including ours in our administration.

            Harris on water policy: We have long — and Wade and I worked together for years back in San Francisco — talked about the importance of taking seriously the urgency of this moment and, in particular, in dealing with the various issues that are present when we look at the climate crisis, thinking about water policy, diversifying water policy, understanding that we must have the ability to diversify our approach and our — and the resources to everything from what we do in terms of conservation to recycling, desalination, and storage of water.

            I’m inspired. Arent you inspired? I mean, she is the one person who could continue Bidens oratory legacy, but we passed her by because of the trivial issue that she wouldn’t oppose genocide. Thats just unfair, right. Clearly this is 100% the media’s fault. It cant be that the Dem elite ran an incoherent loser who was out of touch with what Dem voters cared about. Lets run her again in 2028.

            /s

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              What cult am I in? I’ve spent my entire life advocating for human and worker rights against both parties and every organization in the US government. I’ve been personally blocked by countless US reps and law enforcement organizations across the country.

              You were literally arguing antithetical statements and jumped to baseless name calling when you were called on it. You can’t claim somebody lost to Trump over their ability to discuss policy when Trump himself is the de facto worst policy speaker in the entire history of the country, dude even routinely shits on his own policies and verbatim states that whoever signed them in is the worst president ever…while taking credit for the things democrats passed after he shit talked it while it was up for debate.

              Are you sure you aren’t in a cult? Right wing authoritarianism is just as popular in Europe as it is in the US, how are you making sure you aren’t being misled into believing contradictory things…like the statements you made here.

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                you are called a Democrat, shouldn’t you believe in some sort of inherent sacredness of popularity? why champion the verifiably least popular known Democrat?

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                  Not a Democrat. And if I believed in some “sacredness of popularity” I would be defending Trump…like you keep doing.

                  Are you positive you are not in cult yourself?

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      Yes, let’s send away every popular democrat, why even bother winning over Trump, even if the other option isn’t ideal

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    Are they doing that thing that parents do to try and get their kids to stop doing something by showing interest in it?

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    a lot of shitty dems have turned coat and said they’ll support rogers. i suspect this is an attempt to get them back. I hate it, but that’s the best reason I can come up with.

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    El-Sayed needs black women to vote. Kamala is a poor substitute for Obama, but she’ll do folks.

    If you only invite your friends to the party, you limit the number of new friends you can make. Sometimes you invite that annoying guy with the hot sister.

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    Why are so many people upset she’s campaigning with him? A former vice president and presidential candidate campaigning with him might get the centrists to vote for him.

    Edit: It appears some people just want an excuse not to vote.

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      Because she represents the return to the status quo of Democratic leadership where the people once again exist below corporations.

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      They think she actually campaigned on supporting Israel b/c that’s what the take away of her not really taking a side was. Her participation isn’t going to scare off his left base.

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        She lost Michigan left, not the moderates. In this case this isn’t going to hurt him on the left unless he changes his message. But she can show the moderates that he isn’t radioactive. It’s also worth remembering that she never got to run her own campaign, the corporate wing of the democratic party basically used her as a face.

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          She lost Michigan left, not the moderates.

          I wouldn’t be so sure. Self-proclaimed moderates in America tend to want stuff like universal healthcare, better public transport and taxes on the rich, and the median American voter hates Israel now. My impression is that actual moderates (the people that would be legitimately represented by Hakeem Jeffries or Kamala Harris) are very fortunately no longer a significant voter bloc, if they ever were. I won’t deny the potential benefits of name recognition, but on the other hand we can’t forget about all the Michigan Arabs who rightly hate Harris’s guts.

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          That’s now how elections work lol Kamala Harris is despised across the board as an uncharismatic wet blanket of a candidate who is violently in favor of supporting genocide to the point of lying to the general public.

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            “Violently in favor of supporting genocide”.

            Didn’t she support the two state solution?

            If her support of El-Sayed is enough to make you not vote for him you were never going to vote in the first place so why lie about it?

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                  You are being willfully obtuse here. He is campaigning with Kamala Harris who continues to be am advocate for unfettered arms sales to Israel. Like the 40000 tons of weapons we just sold them.

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                The down votes on this are wild. We got some liberal Zionists in here who want to hug and kiss Israel still.

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                  Or maybe, just maybe, there’s some people smart enough to see through y’all’s hyperbolic bullshit.

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              The two state solution is what we currently have. The only path forward with apartheid like we have in Israel is to follow the model of South Africa and democratically form a single state that represents all.

              I do not support two staters. They are just supporting Israel’s illegal existence and will never support the Palestinians they disdain with all their heart.

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                That’s an awful lot of words for “I’ll let the fascists have it instead of voting for the obviously better candidate.”

                How’s Palestine doing with Trump in the white house?

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                  About the same as it was doing when Biden was president. You do understand both sides of our last election were on the same side of this issue right? And how our government lied about it for almost a year before Trump took over?

                  Why are you so excited about Palestinians being genocides? Y’all libs always talk about this with such glee.

                  A one state solution is the only path forward where Israel is dismantled a new state it formed that democratically represents all people. Anything short of that will just reproduce the conditions we have today (that you seem to like)

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      Harris is toxic to critical demographics (including all those Arabs whose families and friends she campaigned on murdering) who are more important to the race than hypothetical centrists. We already know her track record with Michigan in any case.

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        including all those Arabs whose families and friends she campaigned on murdering

        You mean the ones currently being murdered by a Republican led government?

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            Except that anyone with half a brain knows that a Harris administration would have been much better for everyone, including Palestine. So I can only assume you love how the acceleration of the genocide in Palestine on top of now having our own gestapo pulling innocent people off the streets to ship them God knows where while killing protesters on top of a war in Iran. Congratulations.

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              How would it have been better? Like, you dipshits know that Israel bombed every single school and hospital, and carried out the most brutal phase of the genocide under Harris, right?

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      From NBC:

      Roxie Richner, a spokesperson for El-Sayed, told NBC News on Wednesday that “Abdul is thrilled to welcome Vice President Harris to Michigan for a conversation about improving Black maternal health and bringing down healthcare costs.”

      Richner added: “He looks forward to hearing directly from Black women and healthcare providers and discussing how he’ll continue that work in the Senate. There’s no better choice for Michiganders than Abdul when it comes to making healthcare more affordable, and he’s grateful Vice President Harris will join him in spreading that message.”

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      I share your sentiment to a degree. However, Kamala remains popular with centrist liberal voters who are still sore she lost the 2024 election. Having her endorse El-Sayed on his campaign trail could entice voters who see him as “extreme.”

      At this point, he needs every last vote he can conjure. It’s politics in 2026. Such is the state of a corrupt, two-party, winner-take-all electoral system.

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      We’ve been calling him a liberal Zionist for a while now, well the you go directly partnering with the genocide committers to absolve them off accountability and normalize “we’re against killing, on both sides” and “two state solution” bullshit.

      Hope it brings him down and teaches others a lesson.

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          In what context? Both are poisonous to any campaign.

          Hiliary has experience in office but is very much a warmonger and happy to attack populations campaigns in Detroit need to attract.

          If in terms of being in office she’d fit more in the GOP with what she campaigned on in her presidential runs.

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            Nah, Hillary is a bad choice because the GOP has been working on anti-hillary messaging since the 90s.

            If she got the job, she’d probably be one of the best presidents in US history.

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              GOP went after her terrible personality no politics. They only hate her because she runs as a democrat not a republican. See trump. Who again started being popular again because of Hilarys birther attacks on Obama

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    “Please forget about me throwing Gaza under the bus a couple of years ago. It’s a two-party system!”

    And, sadly, that’s accurate. It pisses me off that there has been no accountability for this, but she is still head and shoulders above anything smelling like MAGA.

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      Kamala single handedly invaded Gaza and murdered babies with her bare hands.

      Jesus christ MAGA isn’t even the biggest threat to the left, it’s the single issue leftists.