Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
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Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
No! It isn’t propaganda! You’re the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can’t lie, only western politicians lie!
What a fucking chud loser you are
I believe it went over your head. This was a satire comment. It is made by OP. OP doesn’t believe in those words. Sarcasm can be used without writing “/s”.
No, it isn’t satire, i belive just about everything i read on vk.
It’s not authoritarianism if I do it!
More worried about the much more prevalent american imperialist support.
Ah yes the vast support the current US government enjoys on …Lemmy.
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Yeah, that’s the problem, the opposition to American imperialism only goes as far as “orange man bad”
Americans think Trump is a mistake when he’s the truest reflection of the American soul there ever was!
No, we loathe that you’re reducing the problem to “this administration”. I actually love this administration for the fact that it has dropped the facade and I can finally talk about US imperialism showing how cruel it has ever been.
“us imperialism” ok kid
Mother fucker I live in Iran, I’ve seen your bombs hit my fucking neighborhood. Get lost.
I totally believe you that you live in Iran now
I seriously don’t give a flying fuck what you think madar ghahbe.
I’m glad you’re on here and I’m sorry you’re having to live through what you are living through.
I hope it ends as peacefully as is possible now soon.
Oh yes cause there is so much of that here.
We’re officially on the decline. A laughing stock to our enemies and a pariah to our allies. Even if the American people pull off a miracle somehow in 2028 and elect someone like Ocasio Cortez to the presidency. No one in Europe should just forgive everything and get all buddy buddy with us again. We’ve only shown we cannot be trusted. The ball has been passed keep your eye on where it is, not where the ball was.
Whatabout capitalists parroting propaganda? Checkmate.
Yeah they are tiring too and they are destroying the country with their blind idolitry.
I was mostly making fun of tankies’ only argument being that capitalists do something bad too so it’s OK to do it themselves
Poe’s law strikes again, I thought you were that tankie.
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it’s an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
Big talk coming from a Zionist
I am pretty sure that a sizeable amount of accounts there have connections to the FSB.
Extremism etc has broad appeal to disenfranchised people of a certain maturity level with an absence of critical thinking skills.
IMO one of the things that’s ruining the internet currently is all the young people who don’t know shit about fuck and are completely unaware of it. Blind leading the blind shit.
I think it’s a combination. There are accounts which run classic FSB style; series of innocuous posts and then ZELENSKY IS A NAZI, then innocuous posts.
Meanwhile, ignorant dumb kids who have been dealt a rough hand with covid, housing prices, ai, trump, climate change etc are pretty susceptible to the dumbest but most appealing simple answers/boogymen.
Add in the Internet’s ability to help you avoid ever encountering an opinion with which you disagree and you’ve got a very toxic breeding ground for the worst and dumbest ideas.
Let’s not forget the 15-year-old nihilistic edgelords who, for a change, aren’t outright Nazis, if only for the reason because there were so many nihilistic outright Nazi edgelords and Wehraboos out there that it had become too mainstream. Also, they read somewhere that the Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht which automatically makes the Soviet Union superior to the Third Reich. So they went full Stalinist instead.
There must be at least some who have found their way from WoT to Reddit and from there to Lemmy.
At least those who used to run in Tumblr’s “more leftist than thou” rat race that apparently suggested that being enby is more leftist than being trans to such a degree that trans isn’t leftist enough are usually too feeble to go full Tankie and support genocides if committed in the name of communism.
Let’s not forget the 15-year-old nihilistic edgelords
Lord knows they won’t let us forget them lmao
But yea accelerationists are always children or very broken people. Misery loves company.
In my day we used to know fuck all about shit. But kids these days…
That’s kind of what I’m getting at by turning the phrase around. Like teenagers have always been dumb. It’s part of the learning process.
But todays kids have been deprived that fuckery and so they literally don’t know shit about it.
all the young people who don’t know shit about fuck
I’m so using this from now on. Hope you don’t mind.
I consider it an honour as thats a me original afaik
I appreciate it! >.<
I heard that Putin even personally licks the stamps on the checks we get mailed every month for posting
If I actually got paid for every time I’ve been accused of being part of or paid by the CPC, I’d have no purpose in organizing IRL beyond my own moral obligation to do what’s right, lmao.
My bathroom has a trap door to the main office!
really? dump a bucket full of leeches, spiders and biohazard waste down there next time with a dedication from me, please!
I don’t think Russian intelligence would waste their time on a platform as small as Lemmy. They’ve propagandized enough people that it’s simply self-perpetuating here. The tankies are still exposed to other outlets where they’d see Russian propaganda and repeat it here.
Yeah same thing in the US with MAGA, mob mentality takes over and it becomes self feeding.
The amount of downvotes i received in a thread maxing out at below +150 votes makes me even more sure about lemmy.ml’s substantial FSB involvement.
Don’t be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
Their instance was already defederated from hexbear, so they never saw posts from there.
No no no. Twitch is owned by amazon. It’s not part of the fediverse.
Hexbear users are the funniest people on the platform
Some of the stuff I’ve seen come out of there is on the level of what /pol/ would cook up. Absolutely the most troll instance of the fediverse.
Except they’re not Nazis. Hexbear’ians at least know how to be funny tankies
i’m new to my instance that isn’t defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven’t seen the users do anything. i’m more annoyed by the whiners so far.
Same. I don’t block anything and it’s perfectly fine tbh. So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning… on federated social media.
That’s like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?
So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
Yes. Because “tankie” is just a pejorative for anyone to the left of the western Overton window
What? Tankie is a term that came around to disparage communists who sided with the USSR in sending tanks to Hungary. It specifically means authoritarian Stalinish stuff
Nobody in the year 2026 is using the word tankie in the context of the internal disagreement between British Trotskyists and Khrushchevists about the Hungarian uprising in the 1950s. Even you immediately - one sentence later - pivot to claiming it must means “authoritarian Stalinish stuff”, which is both incredibly vague and has nothing to do with the Hungarian revolution; a term that can be used for anyone to the left of the western Overton window.
woah that’s a bunch of crazy rambling
I see why people block y’all. No. No one calls anarchists tankies. Confabulate as much as you want. It means what it means, and has meant since its inception. People like you, probably. And you fucking know it.
I see why people block y’all. No.
Oh no! Someone disagrees with you! Better reach for that block button! That’ll show them.
No one calls anarchists tankies
Yes they do. All the time. Ask me how I know.
Confabulate as much as you want.
Go back to reddit
It means what it means, and has meant since its inception.
You don’t seriously believe that the word tankie, in this day and age, is only used to refer to people who support Khrushchev sending tanks into Hungry half a century ago. So you’re just undeniably being willfully dishonest now. And for what? What is the point about lying about this?
People like you, probably. And you fucking know it.
I was not born for several decades when the Hungarian revolt occurred and have no real opinion on it, so no, I don’t “fucking know it”, I know you’re fucking wrong, and are trying to cover that up with impotent aggression.
No one calls anarchists tankies
Yes they do. All the time. Ask me how I know.
You know because George Soros paid you to tell that lie probably!
Lol like everyone in here complaining and blocking, when you were presented with facts, your true colors came out.
Softer than baby shit.
lol all they did was disagree with you relax
Anarchists that support existing socialist states get called tankie all the time. “Tankie” isn’t an ideology or a species of human, it’s a pejorative for a loose grouping of those that like, say, China and Cuba.
No one calls anarchists tankies.
Happens all the time, it’s a right wing/ center-lib tactic to sow division
“Tankie” is essentially a pejorative for those that support AES states. Tankies are everywhere on the fediverse, the reality is that so-called tankies aren’t the evil people that want to eat babies or anything like those loudly complaining about us believe.
It’s my understanding that tankie refers to people who think of themselves as left-wing but actually back authoritarian states and make excuses for their war crimes and human rights abuses.
All states are authoritarian. All states are monopolies on violence, in the interests of the ruling class of society. The major difference with socialist states is that the ruling class is the working class, while owning classes are subjugated by the authority of the state. Further, so-called tankies aren’t really concerned with excuses, but with dispelling bourgeois mythos. Information warfare is incredibly complex, and directed against anything that serves as an alternative to the dominance of western hegemony and neoimperialism, led by the dominance of finance capital and multinational corporations on a global scale.
Would you mind rewriting that so someone not as versed in theory as you can understand it?
What part was difficult? I’ll do my best.
The whole thing is full of jargon.
If Tankies were anything like you’re trying to portray them. Then they wouldn’t blindly support Russia, China, North Korea which are dictatorships. They wouldn’t ban anyone who mentions tiananmen square or the China and Russian genocides…
I mean who actually believes the working class in China (which doesn’t own anything much less the means of production) supports getting “scored” for their social standing… Lol
Tankies don’t “blindly” support the Russian Federation, PRC, and DPRK. Ask a tankie about what they support about anything you find odd or abhorrent. Tankies don’t even support Russia, just their movements against the present hegemonic system of US imperialism, which by opposing they help take the boot off the necks of the global south. The PRC and DPRK are supported, as actually existing socialist countries, but not blindly. Ask away and you’ll get nuanced answers.
You aren’t banned for mentioning the 1989 Tian’anmen Square protests, nor the June 4th, 1989 Beijing Riots and suppression of said riots. You get banned for repeating now debunked atrocity propaganda about 10,000 students on the square itself getting killed, rather than the truth, which is that the hundreds that were killed that day, including dozens of PLA officers and a few hundred rioters, happened in areas all over Beijing as the PLA advanced towards the square. As for China and Russia’s genocides, not even western consensus agrees that these even exist. The UN doesn’t believe any repressions by China or Russia amount to genocide, and Wikipedia simply reports on the allegations, not taking a firm stance.
As for China, the working classes own and control the state, which in turn controls and owns the commanding heights of the economy. Virtually all finance is state-owned, and all strategic industries such as defense, electric power, petroleum and petrochemicals, telecommunications, coal, civil aviation, and shipping are overwhelmingly state owned. “Pillar industries” such as equipment manufacturing, auto, information technology, construction, iron and steel, nonferrous metals and chemicals are largely but not as thoroughly state owned, and emerging industries are largely private.
Private industry is allowed to assist with the socialization of production, developing the foundation of public ownership and planning. It’s very difficult to individually plan millions of tiny firms, but a few monopolies become very easy to plan, and folding them into the public sector turns them into public use. Markets create these monopolies naturally, and that’s how and why they are used.
As for the idea of a social credit score, it doesn’t exist outside of a few cities, and is largely used for corrupt businesses. The idea of an Orwellian style credit score simply is fiction meant to scare you, when in reality the west has social credit systems like FICO that apply to every citizen, and dramatically impact what you can afford to do and how to live.
Talk to a tankie sometime.
I got banned for “inventing reality” after talking about the 2009 Green Movement in Iran and how a lot of Iranians don’t love their regime. Basing this on Iranians living in Iran apparently was akin to “inventing reality”.
Every Tankie I’ve run into on .ml has blindly supported all three, banned me for even mentioning things like the square, genocide, Russia being a dictatorship, China “social report card”… The list goes on and and they are consistently as cultist as MAGA lovers in the US.
So forgive me if having been on Lemmy for several years now. I call complete bullshit on your statement.
Oh and seeing the rest of the statement, your attempt to down play the square massacre and split hairs about where and how many were killed. You are absolutely a Tankie and as bad as any MAGA cultist. Take your bullshit propaganda back to .ml
It’s just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
but i haven’t seen the users do anything.
It’s not the users people block over, blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
What it does, is block every community from that instance from your feed, that’s it.
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
The block just means you won’t accidentally stumble into a place they control.
The minority of users who are really problematic, are likely to be banned everywhere else already
their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please? Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please?
Their instance modlog…
Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
It’s technically possible everyone ran an Epstein level child trafficking ring…
It would be insane to investigate everyone equally instead of just the people we know are doing it…
That should be obvious buddy
Wow that went dark quickly. Not sure any of that was warranted
Wow that went dark quickly
Wait till you hear about the “people’s” revolution under Mao…
Yep, that’s exactly the point
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
I’m not sure what you mean. If someone harasses you then you can just block them. If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they? I don’t politically align with the Lemmy devs but lemmy.ml is their instance and just like piefed, mbin, and others they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they?
Yes, I literally said that earlier in the comment you replied to…
blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
And…
they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
Yes, that’s why I don’t make posts that they need to change, I just chimed in and provided context for why blocking their instance so you don’t accidentally stumble into their places…
average day in .world when people just make stuff up
Just because that admin hid how to check on their instance, doesn’t mean they can hide it on every instance…
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=855573
That’s your main admin, constantly doing mod level moderation all over the place.
Anything they don’t like, anywhere on their instance, they censor.
he’s enforcing the instance rules, just like any other instance admin…
So…
First you said it was made up…
I provided proof…
So now it’s not made up, it’s just totally cool that it happens.
You don’t see any issue at all with lack of logical consistency?
you claimed that they do mod level moderation all over the place, deleting things they don’t like
your “proof” was an admin enforcing the instance rules, which every good instance admin does.
edit: admin, not mod
This post made me curious so I took a look at my block list, and almost all of my blocked accounts are from .world. I’ve only blocked two .ml users. I wonder how much that varies by instance.
Well lemmy.world is statistically one of the larger instances. So that’s not strictly unusual. And thankfully some of the worst from ml tend to stay in their Echo Chambers being self-aware enough.
Every time I see people from a handful of the same instance always try to pivot any discussion of one of the other handful of instances back to a criticize of .world, I go look at their post history.
I always see the same thing; almost all .world postings, a few of the others, and none on their home instance, or any of the ones they’re defending
I keep asking, never getting an answer:
Why do you hang around .world so much if you don’t like it?
Why not just block .world?
Why do you hang around .world so much if you don’t like it?
Answer: because, unfortunately, many of the most active communities are hosted on .world.
While I appreciate the answer…
Part of the question involved who I was asking:
Every time I see people from a handful of the same instance always try to pivot any discussion of one of the other handful of instances back to a criticize of .world, I go look at their post history.
“It is what it is” and commenting where the people are makes perfect rational sense.
But…
I’m assuming you don’t immediately try to turn any criticism against an instance whose politics you agree with, back on the mainstream instance.
If you did, then it wouldn’t be rational to spend all your time here
I’m assuming you don’t immediately try to turn any criticism against an instance whose politics you agree with, back on the mainstream instance.
I think that many people reflexively speak out against perceived unfairness. Why should they stay silent when they see people from a problematic mainstream instance constantly complaining about other instances that they see nothing wrong with, the vast majority of the time without evidence, I might add? I mean, it adds up to endless whining, even in completely unrelated threads. I often see it go like this:
Person 1: “Hey, did you hear about this new scientific discovery? Pretty interesting, huh?”
Person 2 (very often from .world or piefed.social): “Well, just stay away from the DaMn tAnKiEs! They’re horrible!”
Person 1 (or Person 3): “Huh? I didn’t say anything about any tankies. Besides, .world or piefed has plenty of idiots too.”
I’ve rarely ever seen anyone grumble about .world in a completely unrelated thread without cause (i.e., in response to a .world person saying something stupid), but I see that all the time against mostly the socialist/communist instances with some spillover to the anarchist instances. After a while, people start to react automatically to any complaints about other instances.
Then Person 1 should block those accounts for being idiots, like I most likely did years ago…
I’ve rarely ever seen anyone grumble about .world in a completely unrelated thread without cause
That’s easy, its all over this thread, if you don’t recognize it here, you’re not recognizing it elsewhere.
Like a colorblind person insisting the color red isnt real…
That’s easy, its all over this thread, if you don’t recognize it here, you’re not recognizing it elsewhere.
But that’s appropriate in this thread, since it’s specifically about a person on lemmy.world complaining about lemmy.ml. The scenario I was describing was of someone chiming in about the “tankies” in a thread completely unrelated to Lemmy instances or politics, like gardening or movies. I feel like I see this all the freaking time, but I suppose I could be wrong. It’s always a possibility.
Throbbing_banjo was curious about their blocklist, they did not criticize anything. The reason for having a lot of lemmy.world users on there, as Eldritch said, is most likely statistics. You talk about being rational while battling made up phantoms.
The Network effect still affects Lemmy communities, unfortunately.
That is a silly question if I have ever seen one.
As you might expect from a lemmy.zip user, I’ve only blocked one person.
The girl reading this.
That makes sense dbzer0’s made a hard .ml turn lately so I could see why the users like each other.
I will need context on that.
It is bullshit. You can read the sidebar of the instance they clearly stating they are against russia. I remember debating a pro russia person on a db zero community and they rightfully remove his comments.
Some people just assume dbzero not defedersting from ml make them friend of ml. Thr only thing dbzero and ml agree about is anti the genocidal state of Israel
They are an imperialist who isn’t against tankies but against opposition to oppression is the context.
That’s basically all the context.
they started making accounts on other instances so they can spout their shit and get banned without it getting back to their main instance to avoid defederation
sorry, didn’t see your comment, I have you blocked
;-)
I’m on .ml and just don’t see this. I moved here from .world after the cat food ban. The stupidity burned too much for me to stay there. I’m unsubscribed to most of the lemmy communities where the political crap is, so maybe that helps.
Should i ask what the “cat food ban” was?
It’s a long story but basically after some stupid drama, lemmy.world banned discussion of cat food unless there was scientific evidence presented that the cat food was healthy for the cat. The drama had been about vegan cat food discussions in the vegan discussion group. Vegan cat food turns out to be a thing and appears to have enough approvals to be sold in pet stores, but people on .world wanting to talk about it should come over here to .ml. No I wasn’t a participant in the vegan group discussion itself. I made some posts in the surrounding drama thread that you can probably find in my .world profile from shortly after I joined.
oh man, I forgot about that shit. I’m pretty sure I got banned from some communities for that.
🤷 I just blocked them back and moved on.
??? I’m still confused.
Lemmy.world’s admin (not community mods but the actual instance admin) decreed that lemmy.world was going to be like Wikipedia, where anything controversial that you posted had to be accompanied by a research citation, more or less. The specific statement under dispute was that brand XYZ vegan cat food was ok to feed to your cat. A bunch of idiots howled “cats are obligate carnivores, hur hur! They can’t survive on a vegan diet! Mods, delete that comment!!!” and the site admin sided with the idiots. So I had to escape from the stupidity. Are you still confused? Btw the vegan cat food is perfectly fine for cats as far as I can tell.
I don’t think the citation policy was ever enforced on anything else, but anything that crazy is hard to forget.
.world also defederated hexbear because it didn’t like hexbear’s politics, but I’m a regular on hexbear’s covid community (which is pretty good and not that political). I can still reach it from .ml but this convinced me that the federation model is a failure. There’s no giant Spez overlord who can censor you, but there are 100 petty instance admins who can censor you instead. I’m still on Lemmy to stay away from Spez though.
where anything controversial that you posted had to be accompanied by a research citation, more or less
WHAT that is BONKERS
Well you can find the actual wording, but I think it didn’t have much effect except that one discussion. The edict was issued and otherwise forgotten about.
I mean just to be clear veterinarians and animal welfare groups disagree with you and to be honest it is wrong to force an animal to follow your belief system when it isn’t a natural system for them.
They still shouldn’t have banned people talking about it though. Part of what makes group discussions so good is that you can call shit out and point out stupidity. And the ones with citations win and the ones with feelings well, get laughed at I guess. But to require it is probably not the right move.
I already kind of assumed cat kibble was made with plants or something lol. Meat is expensive.
As long as they’re healthy and nutrition is met, who cares? I’m sure that they actually tested this food before putting it on the market. Feels like most of the “discussion” was just people raging against veganism and vegetarianism again.
[email protected] is mostly Russia/China propaganda.
Could someone give some examples of these leftist propaganda posts? I just browse all top day, maybe they get diluted enough for me to overlook these… i’ve seen this argument pass by so many times.
People should block users and instances that they dont want to see. They are in charge of their account. Then you wont have to feudpost about these people you blocked because you wont see them.
Experimenting with blocklists is fine and how you find your comfort zone on Lemmy.
I once made an experiment in which I blocked lemmy.world - not out of spite, but to just see what the rest of Lemmy has to offer. Turns out, quite much!
Still, too many niche communities are hosted on .world, so here I am again.
I have never noticed any problem with lemmy.ml.
Block all the low-quality meme/image content if lemmy feels tiring. Stop consuming garbage.
Pro russia propaganda is generally contained in ml own communities. The tiresome thing for me is zionist tolerant instances and communities and fake palestinians supporter who both side the colonizers and the colonized or defend rhe democrats support for the colonizers
No I seem them regularly spreading pro russian propaganda and demeaning jabs against ukrainans in .world communities. The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the “few bad apples” defense
The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the “few bad apples” defense
Meanwhile .world has Zionists modding it’s major coms
“A few bad apples” is not a defense, it’s a condemnation. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
My argument was not to say that there is only few bad apples on the ml just that in my experience I don’t see their propaganda that much often outside of their bubble
Fair enough. I seem to notice them pushing it everywhere.
Whining about .ml takes up more of my feed than .ml
I just moved to lemmy.zip from dbzer0 and before that, world, mainly because I want to be the one blocking, I don’t want my instance to block for me. I must not be subscribed to the right places, because I just don’t see a whole lot of CCP/RUS apologia? I’m pretty good at passing over shit I know I won’t agree with though, so it might just not be registering.
“Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist”
Which country do you consider yourself a leftist in?
THERE IS ONLY THE US
;-)
I think you can be legitimately a Leftist but also not insane. There’s a lot of posters over in that part of Lemmy who talk like they’d be overjoyed at the idea of rounding up everyone who’d ever expressed a view to the right of Trotsky, on Day Zero, and sending them to the gulags for being an Enemy of the Revolution.
Now you are definitely from the usa
They’re also somewhat lacking in enough self-awareness to realize when they’re really not presenting a good case for themselves.
(edit oh wait nm I just spotted it’s a 2-week-old account being obnoxious, easy one for the block list)
there are those but they’re not that many. i’ve blocked like 3 users from .ml that were basically posting nothing but pro-russian ragebait (and an alt of one of them ban evading a 30 day ban) and it’s mostly fine
they’re just very very loud, but if you just block a few users you can have a nice time
The only country there is, of course, Brazil
Fair enough, there was a chance you were from the usa and claiming to be a leftist, I was going to laugh at you.
Good work on the shaving!
It sure would be swell if people could, at the very least, elevate to a 2d view of politics. Hearing the majority of quadrants II, III, and IV all referred to all “far-left” is confusing at best.
