Gotta be ragebait.
I sympathise with having “nightmare tenants” who trash the place, but fuck any Landlord who says you can’t work from home because god forbid you use your home that you pay them for because you’d cause a bit more wear and tear than they would like.
fuck any Landlord
who says you can’t work from home because god forbid you use your home that you pay them for because you’d cause a bit more wear and tear than they would like.Landlordism is in itself unethical. If you’re not using a home it belongs to the person who is making use of it. You shouldn’t have rights to leech wealth from them in perpetuity.
They cannot enforce no working from home. God damn those parasites are so fucking out of touch
“Where you work” is not a protected characteristic in the US. Plenty of places where a landlord could throw this clause into the lease, and if they can prove you violated it, they can start eviction proceedings.
It would be very difficult to prove, and the ensuing legal battle may cost more than the “additional maintenance” that may be required, but in theory these bastards can do pretty much whatever they want.
I know, the where you work isn’t protected, but bring a rental has the implicit use of being a domicile, with all the freedoms associated with it
domicile
I guess it depends on what freedoms you associate with being a domicile. Plenty of leases have specific restrictions in the agreement that are enforceable as long as they don’t explicitly conflict with local laws. No smoking, no pets, etc are all valid and enforceable clauses to put in a lease. I’ve signed leases saying “guests can’t stay longer than 24 hours” without batting an eye.
Requiring a tenant to be out of the house 8 hours per day is odd and difficult to prove, but if you sign a lease that says it, I don’t see how you wouldn’t be accountable to it.
Ooh, I actually know a little bit about this!
A property owner can put whatever TF restrictions they want in the lease—and they often do! But just because it’s in a contract doesn’t mean it’s legal (e.g. contract to kill).
Let’s say a property owner finds out their tenant is working from home. They claim a violation of the lease and start eviction proceedings. That’s dumb AF.
- This would only ever be used as an excuse for a tenant they don’t like.
- If it came before a judge, even they would be like, “WTF?” And would probably not demand an explanation, but instead would point to mountains of case law that say a property owner can’t dictate what people can and can’t do within a rental property as long as those activities don’t impact the property (e.g. the value).
- That’s when the property owner would have to explain how Joe Schmoe working from home is somehow worse than retiree Judy Anywoman who stays at home all day every day.
Oh yeah, as I said, it’s a very difficult thing to prove and absolutely not worth the money wasted trying to enforce it. But there’s no rule saying dogs can’t play basketball. If a landlord wants to put it in, and a tenant knowingly signs it, the tenant needs to be prepared for the possibility of this turning into a huge pain in the ass.
Yeah, yeah, we all know the Air Bud clause.
Where i live, you can say no pets, but that is not enforceable, they can deny you on the application, but you can get a pet the minute you move in and the landlords cant evict you for it
This does depend on where you live. I have had pets in every “no pets” lease I’ve ever had because in my area its unenforceable and not an envictable offence unless under very specific circumstances, usually the landlord would have to be living in the same building and have an allergy to pets to be able to enforce a no pets rule.
Theres lots of bullshit landlords will put in a lease because they think whatever they write is law but there are often certain standards that apply regardless of what the lease says.
Agreed, I said exactly as much:
enforceable as long as they don’t explicitly conflict with local laws.
What if you retire, and are not working from home, but are just “home”
Depending on the jurisdiction.
No businesses from home is a relatively common condition in a lease and co-op ownership contract, especially if the business involves people constantly visiting the home or turns the mailroom into a warehouse.
It is the equivalent of a lease banning a person from setting up an Airbnb in the unit they rented.
Working from home and operating a business out of your home are VASTLY different things.
It depends. If you’re an independent contractor working for a company, you could be considered to be operating a business from your home.
The line has gotten blurry, especially after COVID.
Holy shit. I hope the top post is just satire.
Edit: lmao, jury still out on this one
The top probably is. But the bottom is probably true.
Its most likely not.
It obviously is.
DEFINITELY maybe.
I’ve seen some insane restrictions on what you can and can’t do in apartments.
Like in my apartment I’m only allowed to put an AC in 1 window of my apartment (the furthest from the bedrooms BTW), it can’t be anything other than a portable AC, and any gap around the hose needs to be clear (glass, polycarbonate, acrylic, etc.) yes even the window insert that comes with the AC has to be clear. When I moved in I thought the insert around the hose that came with it not being clear would be fine, it in fact was not. It also has power draw restrictions so I can only basically get the smallest kinds on the market.
I’m also required to have all windows and doors closed and locked when nobody is at home. Yes that means I have to pull my AC hose out of my window when I’m not home. I figured that out again the first year I lived in my apartment. (they rang my bell when I wasn’t home, then sent me a certified letter informing me I had 72 hours to fix the problem or they would serve me notice to vacate.)
Yes every summer it easily clears 90F (32C) inside and sometimes even breaks 100F (37C). And due to being an upstairs apartment that means the heat stays almost in it’s entirety overnight.
I have seen certain listings say something like $2400/m, $2600/m if you’re a remote worker.
It’s that dog meme which I’m too lazy to even search for because I’m busy working to pay the rent: No Living! Just Rent!
Here you go
No take. Only throw.
I’m a landlord and I don’t care, the house is meant to be used. I’m not using it and your paying me to use it so have at it, it’s my job to save enough of your rent to fix stuff as it fails
Yeah, my tenants have got a dog and we keep the white goods in working order for them. I don’t need them to pay off my mortgage, just want to treat them with the respect I’d want my landlord to treat me with.
Exactly, I got a 3% rate, no hurry in paying off mortgage plus it will probably be my retirement home some day
Thank you for your service
Time to dust off the ol’ guillotine
Talk like that will get you put on a secret four-dimensional list.
I’m sure there’s already a list of lists I’m on.
Do landlords not understand that pulling this shit is why tenants poor grease down the sink😭
Pulling this shit is how you get bad tenants
There are no “bad tenants”, because that would imply inconveniencing landlords and costing them money is morally wrong. It’s not, it’s funny as hell😭
100% they’re bad tenants. They’re also people who never want to own, they’re people that will never be able to afford to own. There will always be a need for land lords
Well… No? You’re assuming a system where you have to pay for housing.
Which is essentially every where, that’s life.
Sure, under our current system. But you said there will always be a need for landlords, which I take issue with. But housing doesn’t have to operate the way it does now. There’s a variety of ways to pay for people to have housing under a money-based system, like through taxes. The soviet union had housing cooperatives. Hell, you don’t even need to go that far, housing prices are currently so high because we allow massive real estate corporations to buy up property to artificially inflate price. Government regulation on real estate as an industry would serve to lower housing prices. At the very least, make it so they can’t just sit on vacant homes.
But that’s IF the government would build said housing. Or it takes it away from owners which is fucked. I’m all for government owned housing if they will build it and maintain it. It could lower housing prices and rents, your right if they build enough of them where needed
Only within a relatively recent stretch of history, before that you only needed to pay for fancy stuff (think pyramids or castles or whatnot)
Pay with money? No. But with blood when someone else decides they would like your home.
Bad tenants and people who want to rent exist, but the rest I don’t agree with
Sounds like you shouldn’t be fucking landlording, then, because if I pay rent, I can do literally whatever the fuck I want that’s non-destructive and doesn’t disturb my neighbors.
What a consummate tool, holy fuck.
Well maybe if the entire property wasn’t done up with the landlord special of tippex on walls and the world’s cheapest laminate floors they’d be able to hold up to the rigours of minor usage.
Presumably ragebait
Hopefully. The best satire is when it’s so close to reality that it’s almost believable.
I don’t want you to wear out my two-dollar light switch!! Waaah
But also:
Rent this month is $2,200, and you’d better not be late, or you’re a dead motherfucker.
or you’re a dead motherfucker.
The new customer service protocols seem to be “Gimme your money, here’s your thing, now get out. What? You want the thing to work, too? We got your money, you got your thing, now get the fuck out of here, until you need another one, then come back and see me.”
This landlord took the guy’s money and gave him a lease, now the guy expects to actually LIVE there, too?
I’m currently going through this with Apple, whom I thought would care more about their reputation and repeat custom. I guess they don’t. Fuck you, Apple. Fix the faulty overpriced shit I paid for.
If my landlord did this I would legit buy terminates and pour them throughout the property
You can buy termites?
Sure can, https://www.carolina.com/termites/termites-soldiers-living-pack-of-12/143730.pr Fast growing bamboo is a fun one as well.
Come on people. Don’t be so hard on the landlord. If you don’t leave for work, when is he supposed to go through your underwear drawer?
Hire gnomes, I don’t know
Interesting take. Definining how much time one can spent in a rented property. I’m curious about the legal side of this.
Could such a prevention in the Ad for the property be ignored?
Could such a point in the contract be ignored as it would be invalid?
It brings up the point of families where one parent works and the other is home with the kids (I know this is increasingly rare, but they still exist) or retired people, or people who are disabled, or many of the other situations where someone would be home all day but not working. Could they legally tell a mom who is recovering from a recent birth or someone who is temporarily off work because of major surgery hey GTFO of your home for 8 hours a day? Methinks not.
The principle already exists. Halfway-houses often have curfews: if you’re out of the house after X time without a valid excuse, you are in violation of your lease. There’s also 55+ communities: if you’re letting your 20-something kid crash with you, you’re in violation of your lease.
As long as it’s not a protected status or violates local renting laws explicitly, a landlord can put just about anything they want in the lease agreement. If the tenant signed the agreement with those clauses, they’re obliged to abide by those clauses.
Halfway houses are for rehabilitation. A court allows you to live there with restrictions as opposed to locking you up. Even outside 55+ communities rentals can restrict other “tenants”. Those are vastly different scenarios, legally speaking, to restricting what the legal renter can do while simply living. As others have pointed out stay at home parents are a thing.
That’s because a halfway house is an alternative to jail
Not exclusively. There are plenty that are run privately and/or partner with rehab clinics as the next step after in-patient detox.
Yes, a lot of people can end up there as part of a sentencing agreement, but not all. I would be surprised if it was even most. And regardless of inciting circumstances, it’s still a living situation that is contingent on strict rules and guidelines that the tenant must agree to or face eviction. Which is exactly what we’re talking about: can a landlord dictate the conditions under which you’re allowed to stay? Yes, as long as it’s in writing, agreed to by both parties, and doesn’t violate any local, state, or federal laws.
If you want a less extreme example, we can talk about a lease that stipulates no smoking inside. That’s a pretty standard clause these days in localities that allow it. Would we give it the same scrutiny and pushback? Probably not, because most people don’t smoke these days and that expectation has been normalized. Just because landlords haven’t gotten to normalize limited usage hours for a property yet doesn’t mean it’s illegal for them to try.
TL;DR: If it’s not illegal, a lease can require anything both parties agree to. Not saying that is right, common, or economical to enforce, but it’s a thing that is true.
Smoking causes damage to the unit. Damage which costs the landlord a lot of money to fix, and it’ll never be fully purged.
Working on your computer for 8 hours does not. It would be no different from staying home and playing games all day as far as the condition of the unit is concerned.
They’re not even remotely comparable.
… did you even read the thread your responding to? The whole premise is a landlord making a value judgement on the additional 8 hours per day that may incur wear and tear on the property.
And to be clear, I’m not arguing the validity of that position. I’m arguing the legality of that clause. It’s difficult to prove and likely prohibitively expensive to enforce, but not fundamentally illegal in much of the US. If the landlord puts it in the lease, and the tenant signs that lease, then the tenant better be prepared for argumentative bullshit from their landlord.
