• Potzblitz3001@lemmy.world
    291·
    2 days ago

    (1953) The War of the Worlds

    (1966) Fahrenheit 451

    (1973) Soylent Green

    (1984) 1984

    (1999) Matrix

    (2004) Children of Men

    (2012) The Hunger Games

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
    17·
    2 days ago

    Educated people saw the 2020 vision as far back as 1950s. They warned us many times, but we never listened.

    • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      “we”

      You mean the rich and powerful who could’ve solved the systemic environmental issues didn’t, who got it told directly all the time. Who could’ve done something against Exxon and the others. Don’t lump the masses together with such assholes.

      • tetris11@feddit.ukEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        There /is/ a large portion of the masses who are perfectly aligned with the goals of the rich and powerful and are happy to shit on their own doorstep for even a moment’s convenience

        • jve@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          Propaganda, indoctrination, and de-education, especially when applied over generations, are a hell of a force.

      • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 days ago

        I mean ‘we’ as everyone collectively, as society. It’s just manner of speaking. I wasn’t even alive for most of the time frame mentioned, so I’m perfectly aware not everyone was actually able to ‘listen’ to the warnings.

      • GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 days ago

        I mean… people have been calling the apocalypse since ancient times. Because that’s reality. Every civilization falls, every society fails, and it’s often via war and violence. We simply have been able to become more connected and harm each other on larger scales over time.

        • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          21·
          2 days ago

          And when exactly did humanity ever had the power to destroy the planet prior to the industrial revolution?

          You’re just repeating one of the usual shit arguments climate deniers are spouting daily.

          • GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
            12·
            2 days ago

            We still don’t have the ability to destroy the planet. We just will make it uninhabitable for the number of humans that are currently here, which has happened quite a lot in human history.

    • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
      171·
      3 days ago

      Don’t worry, we were fucked since before you were born. We overshot our ecosystem long, long ago, it just takes decades for the consequences to catch up.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      116·
      3 days ago

      You’re just in the wrong country, aligned with the wrong set of politics, speaking the wrong language.

      The future isn’t American anymore. The future is Mexican and Brazilian. The future is African. The future is Chinese.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          45·
          3 days ago

          The ability to endure it and survive - even thrive - in the face of it will vary heavily based on national leadership.

          • GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world
            12·
            3 days ago

            Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.

            • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
              5·
              3 days ago

              Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄

              Like, I’m trying to be helpful here, but sure let’s continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse…

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              35·
              3 days ago

              lethal wet bulb temperatures

              Europe wants to rebalance trade with Beijing, but can’t quit Chinese air conditioners

              One country is producing all of the world’s air conditioners. I wonder if they’re in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.

              Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.

              They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What’s more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.

              The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.

              • GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world
                8·
                3 days ago

                I think you missed the ‘massive breadbasket failures’ part of my comment. You can’t air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.

              • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
                51·
                3 days ago

                You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won’t be of much help to them.

                Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?

                • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  23·
                  3 days ago

                  many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right?

                  It’s crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there’s no political cache in surmounting it.

              • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
                1·
                2 days ago

                Are we talking about the same country here? Where in “southern” provinces like Sichuan there is no heating provided in buildings? And people rely on electric heaters and blankets to stay warm?

          • GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 days ago

              Or peacefully migrate to areas that are sustainable and contribute to the project of rebuilding.

              But, again, the capacity to build and supply life sustaining amenities and the political willingness to distribute them in order to curry political favor rather than just generate profit will be central to a country’s power projection into the late 21st century.

              • GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
                2·
                2 days ago

                So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren’t simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.

                • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  12·
                  2 days ago

                  the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible)

                  It is possible. And the bitter irony is that it would be better for everyone on average. Just not better for a few specific people on the whole.

                  When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced.

                  Where will they run to? Not the US Gulf Coast or the Dutch flatlands. Not to the low lying Caribbean Islands or the coastline of Japan or Australia.

                  The most Climate Change friendly regions are going to be high altitude but still retain access to lots of potable water. Curiously enough, that looks like… Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa.

                  All those Western yahoos screaming about illegal immigrants are on track to become ones. And right back to the countries they spent generations pissing off.

          • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
            3·
            3 days ago

            Kind of, I guess. Depends on if there any animals larger than a cat left after the temperature change stops and levels off.

            • marcos@lemmy.world
              31·
              3 days ago

              Depends if we can adapt them quickly enough to survive.

              Brazil has been dismantling our biotech sector for 20 years now, so I’m not optimist, but YMMV.

              Anyway, I’m more optimist on avoiding problem than on dealing with it.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              33·
              3 days ago

              High temperatures don’t preclude large lifeforms. Just ask the dinosaurs.

              But you need the ability to adapt at speed and scale for the entire ecological colony. You can’t rely on biomes that cater exclusively to a handful of apex predators.

                • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  13·
                  3 days ago

                  The planet has been undergoing the 6th global extinction event in its history for over 30,000 years. During this time period, humanity has flourished even as millions of other species have died out.

          • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
            2·
            3 days ago

            That, and natural resources. Idk how many freshwater lakes and rivers Mexico has but it’s not looking good for the ones they do have.

      • Photonic@lemmy.world
        31·
        3 days ago

        Doubtful. Climate change as well as its economic impact will affect most of these areas especially hard

  • Xerxos@lemmy.ml
    8·
    2 days ago

    Well, if we had risen up against the rich, instead of letting them rule the world at least the last image would have been avoided.

  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
    61·
    2 days ago

    The 1970s and 80s sadly was the start of the apocalyptic shithole future. Look up cyberpunk. The 90s economic computer boom really lead to a lot of optimism, but that is long gone now.

  • chellewalker@lemmy.caEnglish
    213·
    3 days ago

    That last example is from the original Fallout game, which came out in the late 90s, not the 2020s.

  • Eternal192@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    21·
    3 days ago

    I mean the rich are building bunkers so the bottom Fallout 1 death screen is appropriate if you know the lore of the vaults/bunkers.

  • HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub
    4·
    2 days ago

    Last time the wealth disparity before rich and poor was anywhere close to current one, we call it “medieval dark ages”.

  • DandomRude@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    3 days ago

    This is exactly what those who are broadly portrayed as visionaries want.

    Unfortunately, it never seems to have dawned on the general public that those who market themselves this way were never the visionaries.

    Take Dennis Ritchie, for example, one of the original creators of C, who died just days before Steve Jobs: The media went out of their way to emphasize what a loss humanity had suffered, while failing to acknowledge that someone had died to whom humanity owes a great deal. They celebrated only the greedy capitalist who knew how to market a technology, but not at all the rather humble man who made a tremendous contribution without enriching himself at the expense of the common good.

    That was a long time ago, but today’s world is still exactly the same - it even got way worse from there: no recognition for those who actually achieve great things, but only for those who step into the spotlight and thus appear to be the ones to whom humanity owes something.

    In my view, this encapsulates everything one needs to know about our time—the absurdity of charlatans desperately wanting to be billionaires or even trillionaires.

    This attitude has nothing to do with the real world, and it is a hubris that no halfway decent person would ever presume to have—yet humanity is ruled by exactly these megalomaniacal monsters because it collectively allows it.

    So we are ruled by the worst that humanity has to offer—by unscrupulous opportunists who live only for themselves, have no sense of community, and have set up a system of undeserved triumph in such a way that only their own despicable kind can follow them.

    It is a system that is directed against humanity itself.

    • sobchak@programming.dev
      2·
      2 days ago

      We need to bring back reverse dominance hierarchy. Even in systems more “fair” like democracy, many of the most popular politicians are just shitty people very good at manipulation. Just picking people at random to serve would probably produce better results.

    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      3 days ago

      I’d love a site full of sources of the real inventors of shit I can shove into the faces of people who think fucking musk is actual iron man 🙄🙄🙄🙄 the disinformation is so strong.

      • DandomRude@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        3 days ago

        I’m afraid that’s just as hard—if not impossible—as figuring out which artists created all those iconic Disney characters. That’s just how soulless corporations are.

        I could never handle building a site like that myself because just doing the research would be so absolutely depressing.