I think I might have it, and it’s interresting. I’m generally a nice, flegmatic and extremely non-confrontional person, but when someone tells me what I can’t or have to do, that I don’t agree with, it awakens something in me. An intense drive to just be extremely petty and get my revenge, either through malicious compliance or some other petty revenge. It can drive me for quite some time, and it’s an intense impulse that is hard to ignore.
It’s not anger, and it’s never violent. I kind of assume this is how people with OCD feel, but instead of being unreasonably triggered by OCD stuff, you hate being told what to do.
It’s usually enough for me to plan the malicious compliance, or the petty revenge, I usually don’t go through with it and let go eventually, but it is intense nonetheless.
I had it as a kid. I was a complete asshole nightmare teenager lol. I later learnt it can be part of ADHD. Even today I still have it, but as you get older you learn tricks to live with it without throwing your boss out the window. Little mental gymnastics like, when someone tells me to do something, I try to find a way for me to agree with them and make it “my idea” and own it if that makes sense. Like “hmm yea actually you’re right” kind of mindset. Unless it’s something I really don’t want to do then we have problems
“attention deficit disorder” sounds like something made up by teachers who are bad at teaching.
EDIT: sorry forgot the /s, which is really needed after the original post has been removed. The original post was dismissing ODD as something made up by bad parents.
Nah it’s a real thing and if you don’t have experience or education regarding it your opinion that it “sounds like” something else is worth less than the dirt you walk on
noshit its real. My post was mocking how OP was dismissing ODD using the same logic. Just as ADHD isn’t the fault of bad teachers, ODD isn’t the fault of bad parents.
And it’s shitty to blame parents already having to contend with a special needs child as though it’s their fault for not being better parents.
Yeah, I did word that comment very poorly. That said, an article linked down in the thread did list environment (particularly, parental neglect or abuse) as one of the possible causes of ODD. In no way is it a defense of the original (now removed) comment, but it being real doesn’t make bad parents good. Just as ADHD being real doesn’t make bad teachers good.
Your personal experience (opinion) does not put you on the same level of expertise as thousands of researchers, doctors and scientists. All far more educated on the matter and all seeing far more people and examples than just your personal experience.
Then to explicitly say that all those thousands of professionals are all secretly ignoring data, fabricating diagnosis, collectively lying… because of some nebulous “the powerful”… it is ignorance giving way to conspiracy. It is recklessly dangerous to say that the diagnosis isnt real and consequently that meds are bad.
Would that be acceptable advice for any other diagnosis? “Adhd isnt real, dont take your meds”, “Bipolar isnt real, dont take meds”. No, it wouldn’t. Anyone claiming know more than doctors and “just trust me” should be eyed with the level of skepticism you’d give RFK Jr. Same exact thought process.
okay… but that’s not what the previous poster was saying. They weren’t talking about under/misdiagnosing or anything about discrepancies in gender. They were dismissing the condition all together as a conspiracy to pacify and sedate kids who “ask too many questions” (have a condition). Based on their personal opinions.
no, I don’t. And frankly, if you do, you’re grasping at straws to make a very tenuous and forced point that misdirects from the topic being discussed.
I’m not saying that those aren’t issues or that don’t need to be addressed. I am saying, however, that it’s not THIS issue. And trying to turn that into this, just feels like a personal bias of yours and not a real connection.
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I think I might have it, and it’s interresting. I’m generally a nice, flegmatic and extremely non-confrontional person, but when someone tells me what I can’t or have to do, that I don’t agree with, it awakens something in me. An intense drive to just be extremely petty and get my revenge, either through malicious compliance or some other petty revenge. It can drive me for quite some time, and it’s an intense impulse that is hard to ignore.
It’s not anger, and it’s never violent. I kind of assume this is how people with OCD feel, but instead of being unreasonably triggered by OCD stuff, you hate being told what to do.
It’s usually enough for me to plan the malicious compliance, or the petty revenge, I usually don’t go through with it and let go eventually, but it is intense nonetheless.
I had it as a kid. I was a complete asshole nightmare teenager lol. I later learnt it can be part of ADHD. Even today I still have it, but as you get older you learn tricks to live with it without throwing your boss out the window. Little mental gymnastics like, when someone tells me to do something, I try to find a way for me to agree with them and make it “my idea” and own it if that makes sense. Like “hmm yea actually you’re right” kind of mindset. Unless it’s something I really don’t want to do then we have problems
Iirc, ODD is only diagnosed in children and adolescents. Is this something you’ve experienced since childhood?
Autism was also assumed to be age related for a long time since Kanner.
“attention deficit disorder” sounds like something made up by teachers who are bad at teaching.
EDIT: sorry forgot the /s, which is really needed after the original post has been removed. The original post was dismissing ODD as something made up by bad parents.
As a person diagnosed with ADHD, I sometimes do feel like the name was made up by teachers who are bad at teaching, no sarcasm…
Nah it’s a real thing and if you don’t have experience or education regarding it your opinion that it “sounds like” something else is worth less than the dirt you walk on
noshit its real. My post was mocking how OP was dismissing ODD using the same logic. Just as ADHD isn’t the fault of bad teachers, ODD isn’t the fault of bad parents.
And it’s shitty to blame parents already having to contend with a special needs child as though it’s their fault for not being better parents.
lol damn that mod action did you dirty, sorry bout the misunderstanding
Yeah, I did word that comment very poorly. That said, an article linked down in the thread did list environment (particularly, parental neglect or abuse) as one of the possible causes of ODD. In no way is it a defense of the original (now removed) comment, but it being real doesn’t make bad parents good. Just as ADHD being real doesn’t make bad teachers good.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20375831
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This is a wildly dangerous dismissal.
Your personal experience (opinion) does not put you on the same level of expertise as thousands of researchers, doctors and scientists. All far more educated on the matter and all seeing far more people and examples than just your personal experience.
Then to explicitly say that all those thousands of professionals are all secretly ignoring data, fabricating diagnosis, collectively lying… because of some nebulous “the powerful”… it is ignorance giving way to conspiracy. It is recklessly dangerous to say that the diagnosis isnt real and consequently that meds are bad.
Would that be acceptable advice for any other diagnosis? “Adhd isnt real, dont take your meds”, “Bipolar isnt real, dont take meds”. No, it wouldn’t. Anyone claiming know more than doctors and “just trust me” should be eyed with the level of skepticism you’d give RFK Jr. Same exact thought process.
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okay… but that’s not what the previous poster was saying. They weren’t talking about under/misdiagnosing or anything about discrepancies in gender. They were dismissing the condition all together as a conspiracy to pacify and sedate kids who “ask too many questions” (have a condition). Based on their personal opinions.
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no, I don’t. And frankly, if you do, you’re grasping at straws to make a very tenuous and forced point that misdirects from the topic being discussed.
I’m not saying that those aren’t issues or that don’t need to be addressed. I am saying, however, that it’s not THIS issue. And trying to turn that into this, just feels like a personal bias of yours and not a real connection.