• dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
    19·
    3 天前

    Good god. Lemme guess, the propellant in that can are CFCs and they added lead to lubricate the spray since it kept clogging the nozzle. May as well add arsenic for flavor.

    • Tiral@lemmy.world
      8·
      3 天前

      It’s always interesting how amazing things always turn out to be deadly. Like Ephedrine was a miracle weight loss drug, asbestos is a fantastic insulator, ect. I’m waiting for the GLP1 crap everyone is taking to have insane effects in a few years.

  • kamen@lemmy.world
    12·
    3 天前

    Sometimes I wonder what kinds of things we’re using today that we still haven’t found are toxic, carcinogenic or harmful in other ways…

    • Guy Ingonito@reddthat.com
      4·
      3 天前

      I think we’re 20 years away from a lot of vaping law suits. Lots of people think they’re healthy despite the evidence.

      • kamen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        3 天前

        It’s pretty well known they’re unhealthy, although sometimes this gets ignored. As a non-smoker it bugs me that these sometimes get a pass to be used indoors.

        • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          3 天前

          It’s pretty well known they’re unhealthy

          Not if you live in the UK. NHS MDs don’t make as much as other countries, and the are trivially easy to buy off. So, they use the language “safer than smoking” to cover their cuntish asses even though they know the truth. All the time taking consultancy fees.

  • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
    78·
    5 天前

    I learned there were asbestos tobacco pipes like a week ago. Humanity really didn’t see any of this coming.

    Asbestos tobacco pipes are insanely rare and collectible these days, though. No one dares smoke them, more historical discussion pieces.

    • Goun@lemmy.ml
      47·
      5 天前

      We never care of what’s coming, we invent/discover something and use it for freaking everything instead of studying long term impact. It happens all the fucking time.

      • Agent641@lemmy.world
        59·
        5 天前

        Asbestos really seemed like a miracle material. Its so easy to pull out of the ground and process into anything from tiles to fabric to brake disks. It’s abundant, cheap, and easy to mine. In a world where it seemed everything was always catching on fire, asbestos was magically fireproof. It was saving houses and children and housewives from going up in flames if they got too near a stove or fireplace. It was revolutionising industry, making workplaces safer and more efficient. I really don’t blame anyone for using it everywhere in those early years.

        But greed took over after asbestos products flooded the market and the major health hazards became apparent. The corpos and the govts were too greedy and scared to admit it was dangerous, because that would mean choosing to dismantle a billions-dollar value strong industry and start recalling everything.

        • MintyFresh@lemmy.world
          27·
          5 天前

          Exactly this. I knew this old retired fighter pilot guy, and he had asbestos gloves he held onto from his service days. He let me play with them at a BBQ once. You could straight up shove your hand into a pile of burning coals, hold it in your hand. Cool to the touch. It really seemed like magic. It really is a wonder-material. If not for the afromentioned cancer…

      • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml
        142·
        5 天前

        Like with aspartame. There was no legit long term studies done until recently and it showed that aspartame can reduce intelligence

          • arrow74@lemmy.zip
            18·
            4 天前

            There seem to be problems with their study

            Here’s the first glaring one:

            the mean consumption of LNCSs was 92.1 ± 90.1 mg/d.

            What an absolutely ridiculous range of consumption for a study population.

            Also the years they were collecting this data unfortunately had a whole pandemic occur. Covid is very well documented at causing long term mental decline. I’d like to see how many of their study group had confirmed covid infectious.

            Overall I’m not saying it’s not worth further investigation, but there are far too many unknown variables that the study did not control for. Rate and frequency of consumption are huge.

            • ඞmir@lemmy.ml
              1·
              3 天前

              Wait is this ± 1 standard deviation? So basically, it’s either 0 or 180 in a binary choice?

              • arrow74@lemmy.zip
                2·
                3 天前

                Basically, the fact that they allowed people consuming 2 mg and 182.2 mg into the same study group is insane.

                Also considering 1 can (12 fl oz) diet coke contains about 184 mg of aspartame, they didn’t even bother to study an interesting group. I’m sure you could find 100 people that consume at least 2 cans worth a day.

                Honestly I’m curious how someone consumes only 2mg of aspartame a day. That’s about 1 ml of diet coke

        • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
          61·
          4 天前

          I had assumed people who drink aspartame products already have low intelligence. Are you sure it’s not selection bias?

    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
      11·
      4 天前

      Isn’t it asbestos dust that’s the issue? Like asbestos in the walls isn’t harming anyone, but if it gets demolished or destroyed then the dust is what causes issues?

      At least that’s what I heard, but it could be wrong. And I guess scraping the pipe might create some dust anyway…

      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        3 天前

        The dust is actually fine needles that cause chronic inflammation in lungs, which triggers cancer. But this can happen with any fibres. Lately everyone is using carbon fiber and it’s as bad as asbestos.

      • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        4 天前

        They all seem sealed with a black varnish, and I have personally never held one or been able to look at the bowl or stem to see if they’re coated as well.

        Naturally, both the stem and the bowl would lightly cake with carbon over time, 5-6 bowls before it’s on everything evenly.

        Find one and be the hypothesis lol.

        I’ll stick to briar

      • filcuk@lemmy.zip
        11·
        5 天前

        Ah the famous picture of a guy who’s lower jaw just fell off after he kept drinking this.
        Similarly well known ‘radium girls’.
        Horrific cases.

      • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        4 天前

        Fun Fact!

        Pipe Tobacco is almost never inhaled by pipe smokers if they never smoked cigarettes beforehand, and pipe enthusiasts are more anal about natural tobacco and unnatural additives.

        This is one of the difficult parts of reading up on lung cancers between both groups. I couldn’t find any studies pointing directly at “pipe and only pipe smoking”, as the population pools for testing people dwindled rather quickly by the late 1980’s since pipe smoking was mostly gone outside of hobbyists.

        I’d pair this up with vaping/snus in the harm-reduction camp if that’s true. I wouldn’t consider any type of smoke entering your body as entirely harm-free… or vapor, or nicotine for that matter.

          • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
            2·
            4 天前

            That is the most likely risk, but that tends to be more associated with chewing tobacco and dip if you’re going by how saturated the individual is by the medium vs severity of the risk.

            Vaping… is the really iffy one. Who made the juice? What’s in it? What’s the coil made of? Does it dissolve into the vapor? How much? Does too much heat effect it chemically? Yada yada.

            • RecursiveParadox@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              3 天前

              All crucial things to know. I’m lucky in that I know how to research supply chains and can afford juices made in Greece and France.

              The heating part (that whole study was bullshit) you WILL know if it’s not right as soon as you inhale burning coil.

            • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              4 天前

              No in favor of smoking or vaping but…

              Who made the juice? What’s in it? What’s the coil made of? Does it dissolve into the vapor? How much? Does too much heat effect it chemically? Yada yada.

              That can all be applied in some part to tobacco as well.

          • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
            1·
            4 天前

            Taste it and let it roll on, same as cigars. Don’t take my word for it, any other source will say the same.

  • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
    6·
    3 天前

    Growing up my parents house had asbestos tiles on the basement floor and asbestos insulation in the attic. Probably had this shit sprayed on the pipes and ducts also. And look at me, I’m perfectly f

    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
      2·
      3 天前

      To be fair, it takes a long time to give you cancer and in the meantime it’s really good at not catching fire. Some of the shit people did in the past seems crazy but if asbestos was discovered today we would probably do most of the same shit.

      • cley_faye@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 天前

        Red cheetos weren’t killing people, that’s why they looked into that. Cancer-can here, with a proven history of being deadly, would look a-ok to them if they were still made. They’d probably issue a fake commercial made under the name of whatever agency should definitely not approve of this where whey literally spray this on burning meat on a bbq then gobble it with a glass of old refried grease.

          • cley_faye@lemmy.world
            1·
            4 天前

            All I can find is a 1983 study on rats that show some negative effect on reproduction and physical activity with significant amount of it in their diet, while non-dose dependant effect where also measured. The sample was less than fifty rats for each group, and the results where all over the place (2.5% of the diet caused similar to more damage than 10% of the diet).

            You’d have to eat ton of the stuff, almost exclusively, to even reach levels that are considered still safe for humans. Beyond that, it’s not more dangerous than chili.

            • krisevol@lemmus.orgEnglish
              1·
              3 天前

              But everything has “less than dangerous levels” of something. Our water bottle have less than dangerous micro plastics, our food has less than dangerous additives, ect.

              And we wonder why cancer and neurological conditions are getting worse.

              A bb gun probably won’t kill you, but 1000 would.

              • cley_faye@lemmy.world
                1·
                3 天前

                Yes, that was… my point? You’d need to ingest so much food for this to reach a level that’s still considered safe that you’d probably have a lot of other issues before reaching that point.

                • krisevol@lemmus.orgEnglish
                  11·
                  3 天前

                  And my point is we crossed that point when everyone we eat has these in them. I’m sure this is why adah and cancer is blowing up. It’s our food supply.

  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
    17·
    4 天前

    I hate how every time we come up with a new “miracle” chemical that solves really big issues it ends up being either carcinogenic or devastatingly harmful to the environment.

    It’s like how we almost made bed bugs extinct in America but the chemical being used was causing cancer and birth defects.

    Why can’t we have nice chemical things!?!?

    • EddoWagt@feddit.nl
      131·
      4 天前

      We discovered plastics, which pretty much is a miracle chemicle, they’re mostly not even that harmful unless you make a gigaton of it and just kind of dump it absolutely everywhere

      • Ferroto@lemmy.world
        6·
        3 天前

        they’re mostly not even that harmful unless you make a gigaton of it and just kind of dump it absolutely everywhere

      • Bluewing@lemmy.world
        4·
        3 天前

        First there was just cheese. Then we refined that cheese into plastics. Because cheese is just a mere handful of polymers away from plastic. And you wonder why you get constipated when you eat too much cheese…

        Then we got better and developed celluloid to make exploding billiard balls and false teeth from. It also got used to make pocket knife handles because you could make the most beautiful tortoise shell handles and Mother of Pearl, (the tortoises and oysters were very happy about that). And colored handles were bright and vibrant and stayed that way. But the off gassing would often rust the blades to dust in short order.

        Today, we have a thousand different plastic formulations for a thousand different uses. And it’s everywhere from soda bottles and cell phones, to cars, airplanes, artificial hips, and rocket ships. And even your balls.

        It’s a brave new plastic world.

    • reksas@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      3 天前

      that would require us to be in control of our own lives, instead of rich owning us. thorough research costs a lot of money and resources. it would cut into profits and some rich guy might not be able to buy third yact.

    • cmhe@lemmy.world
      41·
      4 天前

      H2O is a pretty nice chemical, that makes people drinking it less thristy, and is good for plants and animals as well. Just be careful that you don’t have too much of it, and you are good.

      • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
        61·
        4 天前

        ⚠️Stay away from dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO).⚠️ This dangerous chemical shows an 100% fatality rate for those who have consumed it, and can cause instant death when inhaled.

    • cley_faye@lemmy.world
      11·
      4 天前

      We can. Plenty of good stuff. Or at least, not terrible stuff. But it makes more profit to get something out quick and see how it goes than do long, serious, costly research before releasing a product.

      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        4 天前

        Well that and there’s always the manufacturing issue wherein you could make something that does everything you want but it’s a bitch to manufacture, maintain, or install. A good example is lead pipes were a known issue but the hope was that calcium buildup would help solve the problem before it became a problem, galvanized steel technically existed at the time but manufacturing it in the quantities needed was a bitch and Iron pipes would just burst constantly so that was dead in the water.

    • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
      11·
      4 天前

      Why can’t we have nice chemical things!?!?

      Because we live by the p-value today. We’d rather get eaten alive by bed bugs every night for the next 60 years instead of having up to a 20% increased chance of developing cancer when we turn 73.

    • papalonian@lemmy.world
      201·
      5 天前

      Did you know? Clean, fresh air has a natural tingling effect. Most places these days are so polluted with toxins that we never experience perfectly clean air anymore.

      That’s where asbestos comes in.

  • percent@infosec.pub
    3·
    3 天前

    And not the slightest hint of PPE in the image. Such a different time. I don’t even spray water-based paints without a mask