Oh good, more earth to pillage.
Brighter note, to date is still the best way to make batteries, we need it to build storage capabilities for a grid based on renewable energy.
Unfortunately we’ll probably end up using it for disposable vapes instead
Sodium ion batteries would be better for grid storage. They’re cheaper, more durable, and work in a wider range of temperatures. Plus they’re going to market within the year
My understanding is these come with density issues. Basically they need significantly more space. Definently should be scalable for most utilities. Although some in more urban contexts may struggle to find the space initially. Maybe old fossil fuel plants can be refitted.
Not useful for at home systems either, but I hope they continue to improve to that point
Density issues for grid storage is fairly negligible compared to cars and handheld electronica
Yeah plus less risk of fires makes it even more worth it.
Iirc if proper safety is employed for lithium ion, the density difference is negligible.
They need about 30-50% more space that Lithium Ion, yes. Of course, people love to compare this even though lithium ion isn’t used anyway for the same application because it only lasts for 500 charge cycles where first gen sodium already lasted for 3000.
But in a country where data centers the size of major cities are being put everywhere, space is literally a non-issue.
But that is comparing them to lithium ion and LiPo. They have a ton of advantages over lithium ion.
They are really competing against lithium iron phosphate which are EV and grid storage batteries. There, the very first gen still has like 20% less density than them but 2nd gen batteries are looking at exactly thr same density as lithium iron phospate. Now they are both fire-safe (sodium even better) and the difference is essentially cost (big sodium win), temperature performance (big sodium win, and discharge rate (LiFePO win over first gen) because they both have very high battery life.
The only reason sodium ion wasn’t picking up (and I mean the only) is because lithium prices crashed and 90% of the companies developing it were startups, so of course the venture capitalist parasites rug pulled the funding because they are so incredibly short sighted that they can’t stand not having immediate maximum profit (even though lithium prices will go back up eventually at a much, much, much faster rate than sodium and is significantly more harmful to mine)
Not useful for at home systems either
No, they’re perfectly fine for home systems
That Donut Labs weight test will come any day now.
I see so many of those disposed of on the street near a vape store and it drives me nuts.
Abundance of critical minerals and lack of democracy. Very dangerous combination, deploy military democracy enforcement!
Really bizarre to write or post an article saying this deposit was ‘discovered’. This is decade old news. I saw the headline and thought ‘oh nice that’s like a whole other Thacker Pass’ but it literally is just Thacker Pass.
Somebody needs to figure out a way to prevent people from upvoting headlines of articles they haven’t read because as far as I can tell there is absolutely no reason to post or upvote this.
but it literally is just Thacker Pass.
This isn’t Thacker Pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thacker_Pass_lithium_mine
The Thacker Pass lithium mine is a lithium clay mining development project in Humboldt County, Nevada
The location being discussed:
McDermitt Caldera in Oregon
It looks like there was some discussion that there might be lithium there a bit back, like in 2023, but this is not decade-old news.
Thacker Pass is inside the McDermitt Caldera, it’s the same deposit.
Why is it never in MY yard???
You own the mineral rights of your backyard?
I’d like to say yes, but I’m not going to check. Too much effort to look through all my documents.
Let me give you some bad news: that’s no way in hell
Simple trick to claim the mineral rights of your own backyard. You just need to flip own yard and house upside down! Then the minerals are not under your yard but above it! Checkmate lawyers.
Of course, you’ll also need to sign a writ of mineralis claimies with your signature written in a patriotic crossword. Then include a stamp of George Washington where you have drew him a sensible toupee. Make sure to use red ink or the blood of goblin to draw the toupee, goblin preferred.
Have you tried planting greener grass?
I would if I could buy a house. 40k in the bank. Good credit. 7 years at my current job. Still can’t get a 155k house.
The 75k townhouse won’t sell, and won’t tell me why. Been trying to buy a house for 5 years. Now I’m being told I need to wait another year.
So this past month I’ve just given up. Nothing matters.
Uhhh what? You should easily be able to get a house with that much down. There’s something you’re not telling us.
Agreed. I bought a $300k house with half that guys down-payment. I kicked myself because I easily could have bought sooner and got much more house for my money.
and got much more house for my money.
And have way more debt as well
As someone who has 30k in the bank and qualified for multiple 350k loans with the lenders implying I’d be good for more, this mames no sense.
As someone who has 30k in the bank and qualified for multiple 350k loans
Don’t trust those lenders. They want you in more debt than you should take on because it makes them more money
They’re reputable local credit unions, not predatory lenders, and 30k is more than a 5% down payment, even after closing costs.
I suppose the unknown here is income, as in my current position making 100kUSD/yr, I’d have absolutely no problem making payments on a 20 year or even a 15 year loan, even if I do end up with a house near the top of my budget, which I’d rather stay well under of course. That said, A $150k house seems like it’d be no problem for that commenter based on their savings making up a >20% down payment.
You’re saying you don’t qualify for a mortgage?
I qualify for a mortgage, but they want to capme out around 100k.
And the houses in this area were built in the 1800s-1930s. So a 100k house is going to have massive repairs needed that you’ll easily spend another 200k on.
Literally every house I’ve been shown has been “well this one needs an all new roof, and foundation” before you even see the property.
Where in the US is there a 155k house??
The midwest.
Crackton, Detroit.
Just install an industrial military complex in your backyard, then use it to extract lithium or oil from all the sources. Its a tried and tested method.
How much you wanna bet that Trump will somehow cause the entire deposit to catch fire?
Trump: “So the oil is under the lithium? How does this work?”
It’s more like his cronies will claim it’s under federal jurisdiction then sell all rights to one of trump’s sons for a button.
Malheur County, Oregon
Beautiful part of the world
Before the mines
Oh, oh god, oh fuck shit
Thank you
thanks
Sounds like america could use some freedom
Bring us some democracy while you’re at it.
Good, the children yearn for the lithium mines. /s
Maybe I should re-train from computer programmer to lithium miner?
I don’t think the people in power care for those sort of miners
The current ones definitely do.
They’re saying they like minors
I had just woken up, I’ll leave it.
Has anyone done the ‘US invades itself’ joke yet?
The Republican party, I guess.
Jan 6 2
wow MONEY and VALUE for STONES for SOMEONE upstream from the LABOR
Dibs
This guy called it and I trust him more than any other corporate entity to extract it without harming the ecosystem, sooo…
I was shocked nobody had called it, yet! Unexpectedly big day for me.
RARE EARTH METALS ARE NOT RARE!
Lithium is the 25th most abundant element in Earth’s crust!
we see these head lines all the time because it is everywhere, the problem has never been finding it, it’s been refining it, and china has a Monopoly on the refining techniques and refuses to do business with anyone who tries to adopt the technology and restricts travel of the people with the knowledge to do so.
Lithium isn’t a rare earth
All true, but lithium is not a rare earth metal.
Lithium is literally named after stone. No one ever claimed it is rare.
When an X deposit is found, it means that a place has been found where an unusual concentration of a material in an easy/cheap-to-extract form has been found.
There are thousands of tons of gold in the ocean water. But no one would call the ocean a gold deposit. Because it would require a ton of effort/money to extract a tiny amount of gold from the ocean.
Here’s the study in Minerals. I’ll caution that it’s an MDPI journal, but it’s better than Earth.com’s content mill dogshit.
Honest question: What’s wrong with MDPI? I’ve published in one of them, and noted that they (MDPI) have been spamming for more ever since, but other than that I haven’t heard of any issue with them.
MDPI is classified as a predatory publisher.
Thanks, I hadn’t caught that!
Beall also claimed that MDPI used email spam to solicit manuscripts
I can confirm - this is what I’ve been experiencing after publishing with them once.
In August 2018, 10 senior editors (including the editor-in-chief) of the journal Nutrients resigned, alleging that MDPI forced the replacement of the editor-in-chief because of his high editorial standards and for resisting pressure to “accept manuscripts of mediocre quality and importance.”
Yep, this is really bad, and something I definitely should have known.
(Edit: In my defence, I was relatively inexperienced at the time, and was recommended to publish in a special issue there by a (very) senior researcher that I know well and have every reason to trust. They definitely should have known better, and I’ve since learned to not trust the judgement of your seniors, even when it seems reasonable at first sight to do so.)
MDPI even asked Jeffrey Beall, the author of Beall’s list of predatory publishers, to edit a Special Issue in a field that is not his own.
Yea, I’m never publishing with these guys again. I probably wouldn’t have anyway, because the email-spam has been so annoying, but now I definitely won’t.
For anyone interested in predatory publishing practices, the link is a pretty good and in-depth read.
If you are a researcher, you shouldn’t have to ask someone for information that is readily available and particularly for that which you should already have intimate knowledge of.
- Multi-disciplinary = inexpert
- Review process = payment please
- some actual reputable journals and scientific bodies no longer use it due to previous 2 points
Being a researcher, I know that the most efficient way to get more knowledge about a claim can be to ask the person making the claim. Being a lemmy-user, I recognise the value of asking the question openly so that others can read the response. I really don’t understand why you would try to make that point (in a derogatory way nonetheless …) of course I could check this myself, that’s easy. I decided to ask because
a) You might have specific reasons for claiming what you did that could be different from, or more specific than, the myriad of reasons that could show up in a search.
b) I wanted to contribute here by opening for a pleasant conversation about publishing practice.
With that said: I’m kind of surprised these points would be applied to the publisher as a whole. The fact that the publisher is multi-disciplinary doesn’t in my eyes imply that the individual journals are “inexpert” (they can still be confined to a niche). The review process is also typically run by the individual journal, so I’m a bit surprised that a blanket description of “crappy review” is applied to a publisher as a whole.
There’s nothing to discuss. You are clearly biased due to the motivation to defend the publishing body for your research.
Expert scientific bodies all over the globe, including China , Europe , had or have strong criticisms of the MDPI and for very good reasons.
It’s a paper mill where for a fee you can get published in a quarter of the time and work. Yes, the individual journals are the source of the problem but that MDPI constantly includes their crap taints the lot.
There’s nothing to discuss.
I have plenty of grievances with publishing practices that it could be nice to both discuss with peers, and discuss online on a forum where people outside the science community can both learn about what’s going on in the community and come with input from outside.
You are clearly biased due to the motivation to defend the publishing body for your research.
I’ve literally published one article in an MDPI-journal, and have exactly zero motivation to defend that journal. My work stands on its own feet, regardless where it’s been published. I haven’t even defended the publisher or the journal in my comments, so I don’t see how you can conclude that I’m motivated to do so.
Expert scientific bodies all over the globe, including China , Europe , had or have strong criticisms of the MDPI and for very good reasons.
This is what I asked you to elaborate on. Not because I think you’re wrong or have any need to prove you wrong, but because I wanted to open for a discussion around publishing practice and bad journals/publishers.
You seem to have concluded a priori that I disagree with you, and then you’re attacking me based on that. I really can’t fathom why you would do that. This could have been a pleasant conversation that both myself and others reading these comments could learn and benefit from, but you decided to make it about attacking my integrity and qualifications as a researcher.
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Yes, we should all avoid discussion with humans at all costs, and of course already know everything anyway.
Imagine not knowing something and asking a human for more information? Ew
bet it’s inside a national park that the GOP just exposed through government rollbacks.
If only there was information in the post about where it is then you wouldn’t have to guess. Or you can just make stuff up to get mad at.
sorry if I don’t immediately trust a source of information that was founded by a venture capitalist chud.
Well, if it’s good enough for quartz mining…
