It’s called genocide.
It’s called genocide
That word is too large for anyone in maga to know what it means
I know. But the alternative is education camps.
Openly and directly threatening genocide.
Civilization (noun):The stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced.
The definition Oxford Languages uses is:
“they equated the railroad with progress and civilization”
I hate to say it, but Trump used the correct definition of civilization in regards to his destruction to civilian infrastructure. It doesn’t imply genocide.
That’s not the meaning of civilization he’s using.
The Oxford Learners Dictionary you used also defines one of the meanings as
a society, its culture and its way of life during a particular period of time or in a particular part of the world
That’s the definition he’s using, and it’s definitely genocide.
Lol thank you for teaching that other commenter about how words can have multiple meanings.
Also, if you’re bickering about the definition of ‘civilization’ when you’re talking about what constitutes genocide, you’re probably committing genocide.
Infrastructure can’t “die”. He’s taking about people, their culture, and everything that makes them who they are. He’s not talking about bridges.
I had the same “well technically” thought at first but destroying that much infrastructure will result in some immediate deaths and mass casualties later. So maybe not technically genocide but in reality it’s close.
I’m not sure what my argument is exactly; I looked up the definition of civilization because I was bored and was shocked when Trump’s statement made literal sense.
That’s because anything coherent from him wasn’t written by him.
You’d think they’d do a better job managing him like they did with Reagan
But there are multiple definitions and he meant another one
If the stupid US laws don’t persecute this war criminal, international court should. There’s more than enough evidence.
Too bad the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, for obvious reasons
Worse, they proactively passed legislation authorizing the invasion of The Hague in case a US official was ever brought there for war crimes. Thank dubya and the 2002 congress.
Let them try
As an American there is nothing more I’d love too see than this but it’s never going to happen. The best we can hope for is a extremely painful death for him
Persecute, prosecute; toMAYto, toMAHto
You forgot one,
Persecute, prosecute, execute
I forgot about Dre.
Nothing comes out when you move your lips but a bunch of gibberish
If I ever found myself saying “a whole civilization will die tonight if I don’t get my way”, I think I’d just kill myself. What an utterly disgusting thing to threaten. He is truly devoid of any humanity at this point.
By that point you might need the ghost of christmas past to show a younger you your future
Nah at that point the ghost of Christmas past would say fuck it and tell the ghost of things to come to just take his unredeemable soul from his mortal coil
I’ll only negotiate with the ghost of christmas yet to come
And when the ghost of Christmas future comes to visit and show him his tombstone, he will be unfazed because he cannot read.
Over on /conservative it’s Biden’s fault he has to annihilate a civilisation
Lol what pathetic assholes
He has a fucked up mind. The only thing he gets is getting his own way.
Trump will nuke Iran, and the trolls on here will still insist Kamala would have done the same thing.
Trump has been itching to use the nukes since minute one. I can easily see him dropping one on a city in Iran, and then threatening to drop another every day until they surrender and open the strait. While that is absolutely horrific, the irony is that Trump is too fucking stupid to see that the “whole civilization” that will die is the U.S… The world will shun the U.S., dump it’s bonds and destroy the dollar. There will be hyperinflation, bank runs, chaos, and a hard splinter of the U.S. into factions and likely a “hot” civil war. Trump will make clear that all of the “fearmongering” from radical Islamists about the U.S. and the western world was true, potentially igniting world war. None of this will take away from the tragedy in Iran, which just happened to be the convenient target Trump the bully thought he’d punch down on.
I think what you’re describing here is the best case scenario (if he would drop one). The worst case scenario (the one I’m most worried about) is that other (adversarial) nuclear powers react to the US launching one by launching their own, aimed at either the US, Israel or (worst of all) somewhere unrelated, like someplace in Europe or on Kiev.
That is very much a risk. When chaos rules, it becomes very difficult to anticipate all the potential consequences.
No they won’t. We buy too much shit for countries to completely cut us off.
Yep they don’t gave the balls and well justify it somehow. As cutting off the US would shrink their economy. It sucks and I wish countries would but they won’t.
oh yeah America would be bankrupted overnight
If he does, Israel will get so heavily nuked it will be a dead zone
Russia, China, Pakistan even India would be heavily impacted, all nuclear armed states
I can’t see this working out well for America’s greatest ally ever but won’t put boots on the ground
America desperately needs a military coup
If Israel gets nuked, it will do the Samson Doctrine, which is:
Nuke every nearby national capital, friend or foe.
Europe, Turkey, Egypt, fuck it.
That’s been their nuclear doctrine since they’d had nukes, which is roughly the 1970s.
BTW, they learned how to build nukes, in part, via stealing nuclear material from the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
The most insane thing about all of this is that Iran does not possess nuclear weapons.
But Israel does, and has for decades.
Trump is an idiot. The rest of his people vary from incompetent to simply evil.
I’d bet my life that the nuclear briefcase that Trump masturbates to every night is a fake. Someone in his circle has long since clipped the red wire to prevent him doing just that during a midnight Truth Social post.
This was / would have been the case during Trump I … since he scraped anyone with at least a bit of reason from his admin in favor of yes-man following his ideology… I’m disturbingly unsure if you’re right under for Trump II.
And they can be fragged when the upcoming war happens.
Possibly, but its more likely that he just commits more warcirmes and further undermines American hegemony. The point of the far left in advocating for Trump was accelerationist; it’s that he would speed up the collapse of the American Empire. No one expected that this would come without a heavy cost. Kamala would have just delayed the inevitable by a few more years.
But Gaza tho
Geee shut up dude where did kamala come from
Well, Trump has to be someone’s fault, and if you don’t blame the leftists who complained about Kamala, then someone could end up blaming her, otlr the people who put her up, or kept Biden up, or even remember when people called Sanders the last off-ramp from the apocalypse. And we can’t have that, can we?
Trump isnt a fault, he is a true manifestation of whatever the US represents, whatever it has stood for and what does neo liberalism and capitalism leads to. Removing Trump wont solve anything, a decade down the line someone more deranged and unhinged will replace him.
I’m looking at the /r/conservative subreddit right now. Of the comments that weren’t removed (and there aren’t that many, that place is a partisan shithole and a comment graveyard), it’s just accusations of Iranian bots, claims that the Democrats are clutching at pearls, and mental gymnastics claiming that this is part of Trump’s playbook…
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
I can think of another one of the criminal, Bibi Netanyahu.
There is not a single genuine person commenting there. Bots and trolls all the way down.
Putin just threatened to Nuke Ukraine so… I guess the late night gossip calls got then both thinking in unison.
Russia was ‘threatening’ to nuke the collective West for ages, literally at least twelve years now. Mostly via other people though, Pu normally doesn’t do such ramblings himself.
However, Pu knows that bullshit sabre-rattling is different from actually doing things. With Trump, who ever knows what he’s thinking.
I’ve seen a good amount of people at least saying its a bad look for trump at least… some are still clinging on though… idk…
Will someone please help us remove him? Our people who are supposed to do it are too spineless to try.
Where are the international assassins we see in movies??
This is a pretty straightforward declaration of genocidal intent. If the Americans bomb civilian infrastructure, there is a credible case for accusing them of Genocide in the Hague.
EDIT: Historian Timothy Snyder also identified it as such, pointing that this creates legal liabilities up and down the American state: https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-president-speaks-genocide
There is but then what?
Iran continues to hit back, making us presence in the middle east untenable. israel is destroyed.
World peace through extermination.
“The bombings will continue until peace is achieved” is an actual quote from Trump
😂
I mean it would actually work, just not how people are thinking.
- Trump will again chicken out.
- He thought (or made to believe) Regime change in Iran will a walk in the park.
- Given the situation he is currently in, he just wants to save his face by any mean.
- Dropping Nuke is biggest threat he can think of.
- He don’t have the guts to follow it through.
- He will just extend the deadline, or declare himself a winner and left Middle East to its fate.
one would also hope the military would not follow such blatantly illegals orders… but my hope on that is dwindling
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/03/military-officials-ousted-retired-trump-hegseth They are purging people from leadership roles in the military.
Good people don’t join an imperialist army.
One of the House reps just put in a resolution to impeach Hegseth, so there’s that.
What recent months have thaught us is that there are only two types of Americans: those that will actively fuck over the world and those that will them.
Trump cannot be undone by Americans, because they all either actively or passively support and enable him. The only possible solution is foreign intervention. Since European leaders are just as useless as the Americans and the Chinese have their own insane imperialist ambitions, I guess we’re all shit out of luck.
Trump cannot be undone by Americans, because they all either actively or passively support and enable him
The number of people joined the latest “No King” protest march across States draws a very different picture though.
Dude, your governement is verbatim (!) talking about killing whole civilzations.
The ratio of Americans that would take the risk of imporisonment or individual harm VS Americans that will risk their lives and die for killing babies (for no apparent reason) basically remains 0 : ∞.
It’s the most armed and violent country in the civilzed world and still it remains perfectly safe to be an operative of the fucking apocalypse.
your governement is verbatim (!) talking about killing whole civilzations.
Not sure if it will make a difference to you if I say that I’m not from USA.
Also, the pedo became president on the back of promise to end getting involved in forever foreign war.
The current sequence of events ran contrary to such promise, and many of die-hard MAGA fans are jumping the ship[1].
Not sure if it will make a difference to you if I say that I’m not from USA.
Yes, in the sense that I find it mindboggling that anyone outside the US would be impressed with Trump’s domestic opposition.
This is the man who wanted to nuke a hurricane. He’d love an opportunity to use that shit on people.
He will wake up tomorrow, and forget all about the veiled nuke threats he made a day before.
Tonight both US and Israel will likely hit harder (compared to what we already witnessed before), leaving a long trail of death (of civilians) and destruction of civilian properties and infras.
Tomorrow the pedo president will claim he sent Iran to stone age, and (again) proclaim victory in this war.
I sure hope you’re right
He’s just been itching to use a nuke since his first term. He has talked about it, joked, even suggested it might be on the table. Let history be your guide, this asshole has a pattern. I’m scared as hell.
I actually think the guy is just old man wants to see war time stuff he thinks is tough happen while he is alive and thinks history books will really remember his name if he dropped a nuke.
He wants heaven and heaven to him is everyone knowing his name.
I suspect and more hope you’re correct.
Don’t forget to account for how fucking impulsive he is
He’s going to nuke them ,almost the same words were used moments before the hiroshima bombing
This is the first time I think someone’s gonna drop a nuke and that it can actually happen.
If the pedohitler really drops a nuke, it’s gonna be over for Iran but mostly for the US. Dropping a nuke is basically admitting they have lost not just the war but their own society.
Immediate global pariah. All agreements with a rogue nuclear state would immediately be voided. All trade ceases, all loans rescinded. Every US base would be evacuated and be blown up from afar by their host countries. The word American would become a synonym for murderer.
European leadership will still be kissing “Daddy” Trumps little asshole even after nuking Iran. They haven’t shown any sign of resistance up until now, what is a few extra dead Iranians going to change for western leaders?
Its fucking disgusting, but the greatest risk to world peace seems to be western civilization.
Fuck USA Fuck Israel Fuck war
It’s one thing to be a unreliable, distasteful ally who at least has common enemies.
It’s another thing to be a bigger genocider than Stalin and Hitler combined and knowingly rolling the dice on the end of the world.
Europe knows the US sucks, but it’s better than the alternatives at the moment. Letting a nuke slide is not an acceptable alternative for any country in the world. The US would immediately be a common enemy of every country in the world, and even the most cynical, bootlicking neoliberal cannot go against that.
Or maybe the political class is just all lizard people and waiting for the moment to Kill The Poor.
This is something everyone hopes for but will never happen.
That’s delusional. The EU would never stop trading with the US unless the US attack European mainland.
Their whole reaction to the war so far was making frowny faces.
Also the Russians would rightly be terrified they’d be next and could launch a pre emptive nuclear strike to decapitate the US and israel.
Why the downvotes?
Don’t give us too much hope!
(I’m pretty sure Russia doesn’t give a shit about Israel, and has nothing to fear from US, considering how friendly Trump is towards Putin)
If a nuke is dropped it’s over for the world. Mutually assured destruction guarantees this.
No, the rest of the world isn’t just going to instantly nuke the US. If Iran gets nuked it won’t be via an ICBM but more likely a traditional aircraft or possibly ship launched nuke. Until it goes off it won’t look too much different from any of the other weapons being dropped on Iran. What it would do though is instantly turn the US into even more of a pariah than it already is. You’d likely see pretty much instant sanctions across the board which would tank the US economy, and might finally manage to get Trump impeached and convicted. Might even be able to convince the spineless bastards in Washington to hand Trump over to the ICC in exchange for lifting some of the sanctions.
One can dream.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though? It would certainly accelerate efforts to move to a new financial regime but it would still take years to accomplish.
Maybe mass dumping of US treasuries could be a feasible immediate option.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though?
The world has been gradually de-dollarizing for over a decade now. USD held as global currency reserves has fallen from 70% to 40%. BRICS nations are implementing their own payment systems based on the renminbi, and the eurozone obviously can operate independently already.
A lot of global value is tied up in US investment systems, sure. But a nuke drop would make that value not very valuable anymore. It would suck and the world would be stuck in another great depression, but the rest of the world has plenty of functional financial systems to keep moving on.
The move to a new financial regime would take as long as it takes a market to crash.
Theres every reason to think the Russians would consider a nuclear trigger-happy US an existential threat to them and launch a pre emptive attack. After all, the US (through Ukraine) launched attacks on Russia’s strategic bombers and Putins nuclear bunker which would have been considered suicidal during the Cold War
If a nuclear weapon is used all bets are off.
Preemptive attacks don’t work when they will nuke you back. This is the principle behind Mutually Assured Destruction.
MAD assumes the other side is rational. Trump is a lunatic.
First you said Russia, not the US, would do a preemptive nuclear attack. So this isn’t about Trump, it’s about Putin.
Second, Russia wouldn’t do it because of MAD. That’s the whole concept of MAD.
You’re making no sense, so I think I’m gonna peace out.
I don’t think Iran has nukes, and every other country will probably be very careful about dropping a nuke in the US. Maybe some rogue country would drop one to israel but I’m not sure this would happen becaues of MAD.
Russia is allied with Iran.
That doesn’t mean they are under their nuclear umbrella. Russia will not sacrifice itself for Iran
I think Russia would sell any ally to Satan for a single piece of bubble gum, if it felt like blowing bubbles. But they wouldn’t let the crisis go to waste either, that’s for damn sure.
But while Putin is evil, he’s not Trump-levels of dumb, so he understands the risk of going nuclear against someone Trump-levels of dumb.
Yeah, but he’s old too. Might want to do it before he dies.
You misunderstand MAD. That applies between nuclear states. No one will be rushing to launch retaliatory nukes on Iran’s behalf.
Still fucked, and who knows maybe they have something capable of hitting Israel
Who would fire back? Iran doesn’t have nukes.
Iran can however launch everything they have at the gulf states and israel, destroying all of their desalination plants and oil production and basically wiping them off the map and turbofucking the global economy into something worse than the great depression. They’ve been holding back so far, but if they get nuked they may as well just pull the trigger.
Hadn’t considered that. Doubt Trump has either.
Now look up how much of the world’s fertilizer comes from the middle east.
I don’t know, maybe Russia, China and if there is mass global destabilization India, Pakistan, and North Korea could get trigger happy.
China has pretty clearly shown they are staying out of it. I also doubt Russia would fire at America over Iran. Although I’d wager they would nuke Ukraine given that the US just normalized it.
MAD is when the other country can nuke you back. That doesn’t exist here. (As far as everyone knows.)
Someone does not know what he is talking about. This is not the 60’s.
Are fallout shelters going to make a comeback?
Ah, just threatening with some casual genocide. No biggie.
I really should start taking my PTO.
Makes me glad I just passed my 6 month probationary period and can use the 6 months I banked while waiting.
I for one am very thankful for our beautiful Democratic Party, which while all this craziness has entered a fever pitch, they have been loudly and boldly speaking out against this every minute of the day and not focusing on unimportant matters like trying to trash talk Hasan Piker and taking personal vacations to the beach.
The Persian civilization has existed since like 500BC when most of Europe was still nomadic and the Roman Empire was still centuries away, and this buffoon thinks he can do something about it? the desperation of being a loser, the audacity of being ignorant, or both
Tbf he didn’t say which civilization would die
Hiroshima and Nagasaki still exist. A nuclear bombardment powerful enough to kill everyone in Iran would almost certainly be enough that Iran would be only one of many cultures instantly erased.
The US never had the stated goal to wipe those cities off the planet. This guy is a lunatic and will use far more than 1 nuke. He doesn’t care about consequences or the effects spreading to surrounding nations. It’s best to assume those making the calls are shortsighted and will do anything to meet immediate short term goals.
Imagine if every city in Japan was hit at once. Would those 2 cities have been rebuilt?
Also let’s not forget those bombs used in WW2 are a fraction of the strength of modern nukes.
My point was, if he throws enough nukes at Iran to kill 90 million people, we’re all going down together.
That’s not how radiation spreads. It will be bad for the surrounding countries, but modern bombs were designed to have lower radiation. Mostly so troops can go and occupy shortly afterwards. Plus the mountainous geography of Iran will contain a lot of the radiation.
Then there’s the question do you have to kill all 90 million? If they destroyed all cities over 100,000 that effectively ends the society overnight. It’s not the full 90 million, but there’s nothing left to rebuild with.
That alone limits the number of bombs dropped.
Plus we’re still forgetting that a deranged lunatic is in charge.
Su;pposing they do that, Iran still has missile launchers and missile production in hardened underground bunkers. They won’t get them all. As soon as the nukes go off, and for quite a while after, the missiles will continue to strike at every target Iran has been holding out on: desalination plants and oil/gas production facilities. Israel and the gulf states will be destroyed.
A plurality of the world’s oil and half the world’s fertilizer comes from the middle east so we will have a global depression and a global famine. We will all go down together.
That’s not how radiation spreads but that sounds like a good way to trigger some mutually assured destruction from Iran’s allies
Radiation typically spreads through weather as its lifted into the atmosphere. Mountains notably break-up and can contain weather fronts. It will also inhibit the aresolization of radioactive dust.
Look into how mountains impact weather and the movement of air. I’m not claiming it will 100% contain radiation spread but it will help limit it.
Remember it is a function of time as radiation naturally decays over time. This isn’t Chernobyl, nukes are designed around isotopes that degrade faster.
But yeah Pakistan and Russia would likely feel the effects to some degree. Is Saudi Arabia a nuclear state? They would feel it too.
I’m not saying this is unlikely, I just think he’s blood drunk enough to do it. Our understanding of the effects of dozens of modern nuclear bombs on an urban center is theoretical, thankfully, but even with Iran’s geography, it’s going to cause huge problems with oil production, causing downstream food distribution issues etc.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
I don’t think you can do enough damage to the people that there’s no Iranian (or Persian) state in 100 years without damaging the rest of the world irreparably. It’s not 100% clear what the death of a civilization entails, but it feels closer to wiping out the culture to me than destroying the big cities.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
Okay this one is fun and much more my area of expertise. You’re getting at the core because it is something that is very difficult to determine. The Roman Empire is a great example, we can talk about just the west for now. Roman Britain was abandoned by the Roman’s, and yet archaeological evidence shows that they still tried to live like Romans or at least the elites did. Historical records show a clear point at which the Roman Empire left, but when did the elites and people stop considering themselves Roman? They did eventually stop, and that was due to being cut-off from the empire.
Then you can look at the Bronze age collapse where whole civilizations just ceased to exist. Certainly the people persisted, but few states survived in tact. People still lived their but their civilizations ceased. They spoke the same languages still, but many cities across the Mediterranean region stop inhabited. By the time written record returned new states had formed and material culture changed. We know logically the people themselves existed in continuity but their societies ceased.
Maybe this is getting to into the weeds and not appropriate here, but this is my field and I’ve dedicated a lot of time to it. So the short answer is it is nearly impossible to draw a line, but societies do collapse even when the people persist
