• Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 days ago

    CBS news is about as reliable as Russia Today. I wonder if we can find any corroborating reports from someone outside the Trump sphere of enshitification.

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      CBS is (correction: apparently, was) a reputable news outlet. If you want higher levels of independence, read the Guardian. They lag behind timewise since they take extra time to verify information.

      Iran signals quick trials and executions for protesters in defiance of US warnings

      The death toll in Iran has soared as authorities have carried out a brutal crackdown, with 2,571 people killed and more than 18,100 people arrested, according to the US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRNA). Already, the death toll from the two-week protest movement dwarfs any other in Iran since its 1979 revolution.

      Protesters said there was a heavy security force on Wednesday as authorities prepared for a mass funeral of 300 security forces and civilians killed in demonstrations.

      So, 2571 confirmed deaths, one mass funeral of 300 people in one city.

      Hundreds of gunshot eye injuries found in one Iranian hospital amid brutal crackdown on protests

      An ophthalmologist in Tehran has documented more than 400 eye injuries from gunshots in a single hospital, as overwhelmed medical staff struggle to cope with the toll of an increasingly violent crackdown on nationwide protests by Iranian authorities.

      That’s 400 gunshot eye injuries per one hospital, counted by an eye doctor. Those who got hit in other body parts likely aren’t included. Assuming 5 hospitals per city, that’s 2000 gunshot eye injuries per city. Assuming 180 cities and towns (likely leads to overestimation due to a large number of small towns), we would get 360 000 gunshot eye injuries per Iran. Being cautious, let’s divide it by 10. A cautious estimate of 36 000 gunshot eye injuries per Iran could be warranted.

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        CBS is owned by Larry Ellison and run by Bari Weiss. Fanatical Zionists who are israel first.

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          Thanks. You are the first one who pointed out their new owner, and new editor in chief.

          For those who haven’t heard yet:

          In October 2025, Paramount Skydance bought The Free Press for $150 million and installed Weiss, who had no prior experience in broadcast journalism, as editor-in-chief of CBS News.[1][73][74] She reports to David Ellison, the head of Paramount Skydance.[75]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss

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        CBS hasn’t completely lost its credibility on all issues yet, but it’s definitely lost a lot and is rapidly losing it. It was bought out by a right wing billionaire specifically to exert editorial control and the current head of their news was a right wing activist before this position

        That said, I do believe their reporting on the violence against protesters in Iran. It’s wholly within the behavior we’ve seen escalating over the past decade

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          There’s definitely violence against the protesters there. The awfulizing and amplification of the issues in Iran are specifically to bolster this administration’s desire to make war there.

          Fascism need not always lie but instead selectively reveal pieces of reality and fudge the lines of credulity. There are ways to support Democratic revolutions that don’t involve sending our military in.

          The people of Iraq were also very grateful to see Saddam Hussein go but that doesn’t mean that they wanted to lose hundreds of thousands of people to starvation and wanton destruction to satisfy our foreign policy goals.

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    The west is really pushing for the Shah to take over, huh

    There were some reports from Arak that workers started taking over factories. But no, what gets reported are some fringe monarchists.

    Btw, the Iranian communist party talks of 600ish dead and 11000 arrested. Those seem more believable numbers. Protests seem to still be ongoing on a large scale, I hope they bring down the Ayatollah regime. All power to the workers!

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      A single video shows ~400 bodies piled up in one Tehran suburb.

      What the honest fuck are your talking about 600ish sounds more believable? More believable based on what? Based on you dick riding the Ayatollah?

    • As far as I could tell the Shah guy isn’t actually intent on becoming a monarch (he was fairly critical of his dad) but wants to help Iran transition towards democracy. How he does that, no clue.

      Still, apparently that guy is the dude most Iranians trust to take over. I say most, but it’s still barely 30% iirc; Iranians are pretty disillusioned with their (potential) leaders at the moment.

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi,_Crown_Prince_of_Iran

        Investigations by Haaretz and TheMarker reported the existence of an Israeli-linked influence network aimed at shaping Iranian public opinion and promoting Pahlavi as a potential post–Islamic Republic leader. The reports claim the network was operated by a private entity funded by Israeli government resources, used artificial intelligence, and relied on fake online accounts, particularly Persian-language profiles. The network allegedly recruited Persian speakers who reposted content from Reza Pahlavi.[99]

        Whether or not he claims so, he’s pro-US and pro-Israel so they are pushing hard to restore the monarchy. Any support you see for him is likely astroturfed

        Edit: besides, trusting an autocrat who promises to “transition to democracy at some point in the future” is the stupidest thing one can do during a popular uprising

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            An (absolute) monarchy is by definition an autocracy, and a monarch an autocrat. And we don’t know whether he wants to rule as Shah or not based on his statements, because even if he did, it would be in his best interest to deny it and promise democratization. So again: trusting an autocrat at their word, especially if they are promising to bring you democracy if you just let them take the reigns first, is foolishly naïve.

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          His support numbers are certainly somewhat pushed up.

          However, on Reddit (on the subreddit r/newiran, which I must note is disproportionately pro-Pahlavi) someone proposed a method of verifying how much of his support genuinely came from Iran.

          They measured the drop in viewership of his videos at the beginning of the Internet blackout. They concluded that most viewers were from Iran, since traffic dropped several times with the blackout.

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      The son of the shah (he hasn’t ruled as a shah, his father did) is a seemingly smart and politically competent person, who seems outwardly like a liberal democrat (but one can’t see into people).

      His problem is that he isn’t part of a militant organization, and he was brought up in peace and plenty. They listen to his words and respect him, but he may not have the kind of colleagues to bring down the (quite bloodthirsty) ayatollah’s regime. :( Overthrowing a country requires lots of organized people who are considerably less polite.

      Btw, the Iranian communist party talks of 600ish dead and 11000 arrested.

      They don’t update their sites as often as news organizations, and don’t have so many contacts to intgrate information from.

      MeK - the People’s Mojahedin (leftist, terrorist tactics, based in emigration, in south-eastern Europe) - updated their site yesterday, says death toll “over 3000”. But it took them a day to get the information out, since they speak of Monday in the text but published on Tuesday.

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      Maybe the Shah can run for President if the theocracy goes away…right?

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    Source: Rumors

    Read the article. It’s fucking CBS slop based on the vibes of two unnamed people, one not even in Iran.

    12,000 deaths, shut the fuck up. What an absolute joke of an article. Pathetic reporting from an empire who just sponsored a real extermination.

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    And of course the US wants to jump in so that they can place their dictatorship back in Iran because that is just how the US rolls.

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      The US is an awful lot late. One can only jump in to assist living people.

      They could have acted on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and now it’s Wednesday.

      The US always has contingency plans for limited strikes against adversaries, and considers Iran an adversary. It could have launched a limited strike (e.g. “to supress government communications”) within 24 hours.

      Now that 5 days have passed, each day bringing more death to protesters, I guess Trump’s promise to assist them was a bluff, and if they did let it encourage themselves - they shouldn’t have.

      So far, to my knowledge (very incomplete knowledge) the only factions which have fought the Iranian security forces with some limited effectiveness, and thus prevented massacres in their home regions, have been Kurdish militant groups (political parties with armed factions). I wish them luck, because they did their people a service.

      Regarding the attitude of Iranian people, it’s hard to measure precisely, but the article gives one suggestion:

      Amiry-Moghaddan told CBS News many Iranians wouldn’t believe that narrative from their leaders.

      “Iranian people are so fed up with the regime, and so desperate to come out of this system,” he said. “I remember that I used to ask many people, with different backgrounds, ‘Who would you support?’ And all of them basically say that we would support anyone who can remove the Islamic Republic. Iran is a country with a lot of different kinds of people, different opinions. Some would like to have monarchies, some are opposed to monarchy, but I think the priority is to remove this regime.”

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        That quote at the end sounds about right from what I’ve heard. Iran was a liberal and free nation in living memory. The morality police and theocratic rules are not thought highly of.

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    Regarding politics, uncensored…

    …since the US always maintains strike plans for Iran, passivity on part of Trump leads me to conclude that when promising to assist protesters if killing starts, he lied - he had no intent or plan of assisting them. That’s pretty bad.

    The naked truth is that Iranian people need weapons, explosives and communication devices. Some amount can be provided by militant underground groups, but those are mostly working in the countryside and mountainous places - outside the Persian speaking central regions. I trust that ordinary smugglers are already working at tenfold speed. A foreign state could do much to help in the short term, but so far, foreign states have been letting the Islamic Republic of Iran uncontrolledly kill its people for 5 days in a row. :(

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    Even if this ends the riots, it will likely not be for long. Maybe 6 months maybe a year. It’s impossible to know.
    But what is almost certain is that next time, the rioters will know the stakes, and they will riot with a lot more violence against the regime and any authorities that stand with the regime.
    For many conditions are now unlivable in Iran, and unless the regime can solve that, people will riot even when risking to get killed.

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      “And then, for some particular reasons, the humans began to be very angry with each other. That was a very difficult time to be on their planet.”

      -History of Earth, circa the 3rd millennium

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      The guardians of the revolution, which are the actual regime, are thoroughly enkysted in every part of the structure of the country and will be difficult to dig out. The government and the mullahs are disposable.

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    This is awful. But really interesting from a linguistic perspective how the vocabulary and talking points differ between Iran and Israel when the situations are so similar.

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      What is the similarity? Just dead people?

      This is a government killing its own people. Israel has been embroiled in a conflict with an outside nation, albeit a conflict of disproportionate forces.