I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.
The word Tankie originates from 1950s British Communist circles. Specifically, it was used by British Communists to derisively describe their comrades who supported the 1956 invasion of Hungary by the Soviet Union.
Images of the Soviet invasion featured a lot of tanks, hence, “Tankie”.
After that died down, the term didn’t come back into use really, until the 2010s, when leftists on the internet started using it in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. It was fun to bring back a stupid sounding, incredibly niche, British slang word.
At some point the word breached containment and started to be used by liberals, in a very cavilier sort of way. I’ve seen people use Tankie to describe anyone from Marxist-Leninists, to Marxists generally, to Leftists generally, weird right-wingers who converted to Russian Orthodoxy, pro-Palestine activists, mods of Lemmy instances someone doesn’t like.
Shit, I’ve seen literal Anarchist get called Tankies.
Basically, it’s a meaningless nothing word now, that’s a bit like your boomer grandpa who still thinks it’s the Red Scare, calling Joe Biden a Commie Pinko.
So don’t worry about it too much.
A cute water cistern.
That is an adorable tankie
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No communist calls the ROK an “occupier,” it’s the US Empire that is occupying Korea, with the ROK’s government set up directly by them. This whole comment is really bad, to be honest. In practice, “tankie” is essentially a pejorative for “communist.” I recommend the Prolewiki article on “Tankies,” as well as Nia Frome’s essay “Tankies.”
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No, the government of the southern half of Korea, the Republic of Korea, is not an “occupier.” The democratically elected state was the People’s Republic of Korea (PRK), which spanned the entire peninsula before the US Empire came in, declared it illegal, and split the country in two, against the will of Koreans, and installed the dictator Rhee Syngman in place. The PRK was a quasi-socialist state that predated both the DPRK and ROK’s governments.
Again, “tankie” in practice is just a pejorative for communists, akin to “pinko” or “commie.” The fact that you’re getting very basic communist stances on Korea completely wrong here betrays any sense of legitimacy you have on the subject.
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“Tankie” isn’t a political ideology, it’s a McCarthyite strawman with ready-made characteristics designed to make it so that you don’t have to respond to the points communists make. The origin of the term being in putting down the 1956 CIA supported and MI6 armed fascist counter-revolution in Hungary where the fascists let Nazis out of prison to lynch Jews and communists doesn’t make any difference on today’s usage.
Your image is really bad quality, you should get a better one, https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10110-10525.pdf
Thank you!
Tankie isn’t a political ideology, it is a commentary on the practice of policy in comparison to stated beliefs.
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No, it’s a pejorative and McCarthyite strawman.
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The current usage is as an anticommunist pejorative and McCarthyite strawman.
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The ROK has a liberal democracy, but it was forced on the people of southern Korea without their consent. The US Empire staffed it with prior compradors that were in power during Japanese colonialism. The ROK is currently a dictatorship of capital under a special class of people referred to as “chaebol,” under the occupation of the US Empire.
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All states are “authoritarian,” in that all states are means by which one class exerts its authority over the others. Communists support the working class being in charge of that authority, all communists (unless you count anarchists) support the use of the state against capitalists and fascists, and the majority of practicing communists support socialist states.
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I don’t like being referred to like “one of you.” I don’t care what they posted, I am explaining directly to you.
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The ROK essentially being a comprador government set up by a colonizer does not mean it’s occupying itself. The US Empire is occupying Korea, not the comprador government.
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When a South Asian calls the British monarchy fascist or Churchill a genocider in my experience.
Isn’t monarchy already a bigger bad word in itself than fascism?
Not according to the Yakubians over at the miserable island.
I actually always wondered a bit about the line between fascism and monarchism. To the casual observer they might seem nearly identical, though I wonder if in historical materialist terms it’s a reactionary attempt to backslide to feudalism rather than progress capitalism to socialism.
Fascism doesn’t necessarily have the hereditary property of monarchism. Power can easily get transferred to other families, not related by blood.
no
Please expand upon that thought.
A size of tank, smaller than normal tank, but bigger than tankette.
OP, what have you unleashed.
I just thought this was where you came to ask questions.
It is, I’m just kidding around. Your question was innocent enough, it’s just that the comments look like a battlefield.
you’re on the .ml instance, which is an incredibly political place, so you’re gonna get a lot of flack
I think every instance has pretty strong political views
Anyone ideologically left of Richard Nixon according to our local blue conservatives.
Nixon was a tankie according to them. He’s responsible for the EPA and OSHA.
Left of Reagan.
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I had no idea this would ignite a shitstorm. I have so many responses now and less idea of what a tankie is now than when I asked.
Ask with an account federated with Hexbear and Lemmygrad, and you’ll get more communist perspectives.
I actively ban hexbear’s entire instance. I relish the fact that I simply can’t see all the hexbear responses to this thread. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone on hexbear (pre banning) that was even remotely open to considering other viewpoints. It just became so toxic, so quick, whenever their users get involved.
There are no hexbear responses because .world is defederated from Hexbear. Hex has little tolerance for liberalism in my experience, because that’s the default on the english-speaking internet.
I’m confused. Maybe I don’t understand federation as well as I thought.
~~This post originates on .ml, right?
So what does .world’s federation status with hexbear have to do with my ability to see hexbear posts on .ml?~~
Edit: Ah, no, the post does in fact originate on .world so .world’s federation status with hexbear is determinant for the lack of hexbear posts, not my individual blocking of the instance.
Yep, the comm is .ml but the poster is .world, ao it’s like it’s invisible to anyone that can’t see both .ml and .world.
because .world is defederated from Hexbear
Other way around. .world is defederated from lemmygrad, but you can still find this post on there
Hex and .world are mutually defederated, no? .world defederated first I thought.
Yes. But… technically it doesn’t show up on hexbear because hexbear defederated from .world, and if it wasn’t mutual it would show up (as seen with 'grad)
Edit: It’s an pretty much a useless distinction that I’m probably only making cuz I should go to bed.
I relish the fact that I simply can’t see all the hexbear responses
I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone on hexbear (pre banning) that was even remotely open to considering other viewpoints.
Uhuh
Other viewpoints: Maybe been 50% nazi is not so bad!
There isn’t any. Hexbear has defederated lemmy.world, which is OPs instance, and so this post does not exist for them.
Ah right - oh well, however it’s achieved I don’t have see every post in my feed turn into a discussion with two sharply defined poles: Nazis and communism.
I am in the same boat. Been on here for about 2 years and I hear the words…but i dunno what it means? Thought it was just me.
I’m so happy I’m not as stupid as I thought because I have no idea either and now I still don’t know
It’s a loaded term by design. It started as a pejorative and morphed into a strawman pejorative, you can see many people throughout this thread describing people that don’t exist.
You know that magnifying glass looking icon? You can search terms across instances.
Lol, my comment got removed, I guess you now know which vommunity you signed up on and how they function.
Cheers
Fascist apologia here gets banned, in .world you have people openly saying that Palestinians deserve to be genocided and you guys don’t give a shit
Ah, the old “what about”, now with .world instead of the USA.
I’m saying each community bans something different. I agree with banning fascist discourse, I dont agree with banning communist discourse. .world thinks otherwise and that’s why it’s shit IMO.
.ml bans goid reasoning and valid historical facts lol.
Such as?
I’m on lemmy.world I didn’t sign up for this
Oh sorry, i confounded with this instance, my apologies.
People fed up with the the (false) sin/cos dichotomy and want to get people to use tan more often.
the (false) sin/cos dichotomy
but… but… if sin/cos is false, that is literally tan ! (yes, I was frequently bullied in high school, why do you ask?)
Tan is the tao out of which the sin and cos arise
I don’t mind those people, I just wish they wouldn’t go off on tangentially related subjects.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people posting on conservative chats asking what a socialist is. About the same amount of mouth foaming.
I would like to remind people about vaccinations against rabies
Like most words it can mean different things depending on context. I’ll do my best to cover a few without spoiling it with my own opinions.
The most common usage is as a blanket pejorative aimed at anyone who identifies as leftist but also openly endorses authoritarian means or ends.
There are also those who embrace the term and they are also not all the same. There are Marxist-Leninists who believe the only path to a stateless egalitarian society is through a revolutionary vanguard party. There are also those who argue that egalitarian society can only be achieved and maintained through benevolent authoritarianism.
In any case, the term carries an implication of authoritarianism and/or revolutionary violence, hence “tanks.”
A slur mainly on the internet against those leftist (usually Marxists-leninist) who oppose western interventions, sanctions, coups and wars against countries and governments labeled as “authoritarian”.
originally used by UK communists party trotskyist wing in support of Hungarian -56 crushed uprising against those who opposed it, calling them tankies. Vaguely same as “stalinist”, but it pretty much has lost that meaning in modern use.
I’m losing track too. These policial people keep making up terms for the people they disagree with and they keep disagreeing with their own groups so those groups split into new groups and then more terms are needed for those new groups name.
It’s childish.
It’s essentially just the modern day “commie”, used to carry out mccarthyite witch-hunting against anyone perceived to be “anti-white”.
It really is adult name calling, and it further polarizes the political spectrum by naming every single fucking mindset and ideology combination you can think of. It’s just not constructive at all.
We need to talk about ideas and issues and how we can understand and compromise for one another.
It’s what centrists call anyone to the left of netanyahu.
