• slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    140
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    6 days ago

    As shit as the European song contest is, i hope everyone does the same and only israel will vompete with no one.

    • NoiseColor @lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      60
      ·
      6 days ago

      Slovenia was first 🙂, but I think they weren’t definitive about it. Probably they wanted to wait so they wouldn’t be the only one.

    • MrMakabar@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      49
      ·
      6 days ago

      Israel gets kicked out way before that. They have a population of 10million. Spain and the Netherlands are much larger then that. More viewers = more money

      • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        49
        ·
        6 days ago

        Maybe, but Israel has unlimited funds to throw at PR thanks to the USA, so I’m not sure population is going to be a deciding factor there.

        • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          5 days ago

          That’s treading dangerously close to a specific kind of conspiracy theory there.

          The EBU has pretty strong financial ties to Israel, not least of which their main sponsor Moroccan Oil. But at the end of the day you can count on the ghouls in charge to always find the coward’s way out and follow the money. It’s the exact same pattern of behavior they had with Russia in 2022, which they initially allowed to compete before backpedalling.

          Pretending that this is an issue solely because of some conspiracy is not only baseless, but it also unfairly lets most European broadcasters off the hook for refusing to uphold the set the same hard lines with Israel that they set with Russia. Israel competed because European broadcasters were happy enough to include Israel. Simple as.

        • BakerBagel@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 days ago

          You can easily replace a sponsor. Or better yet, dont! The shows didn’t have a sponsor 10 years ago. Ads are ruining everything

          • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            14
            ·
            edit-2
            6 days ago

            That’d be nice, but they, maroccanoil, have been main sponsor for the last five years, and are confirmed to again be this year. Dunno what the chances are of that changing at this point.

            Also - I’m pretty sure they had corporate sponsors 10 years ago. They aren’t shown in some countries broadcasts, but they’ve been there for some time.

    • galoisghost@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      6 days ago

      Australia are gonna sit quietly in the corner and not say a word in the hopes that Europe forgets we’re still allowed to compete

  • MetalMachine@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    76
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    6 days ago

    Why is israel, a country in the middle east, a part of Eurovision to begin with? Very telling.

    • nshibj@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      32
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      6 days ago

      It’s a nonsense joke. Australia is also there. Just kill Eurovision and call it something else for fucks sake

          • huppakee@feddit.nl
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 days ago

            Now you mention them, interesting how Israel and Russia are matter of discussion and Azerbaijan isn’t despite their invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh

            • Lysol@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              3 days ago

              I think we’re seeing the same reaction as when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. Basically “oh no this is not okay. anyway…”.

              • huppakee@feddit.nl
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                3 days ago

                Sounds plausible, Russia’s invasion of Georgia didn’t seem like a big deal to me back then. Same as Russia’s first invasion of Ukraine in 2014. Media failed me in each of those cases. I feel like i’m having less blind spots as i get older, but i’m obviously still not fully there yet.

    • nfh@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      6 days ago

      Australia, Armenia, and Morocco are all outside of Europe, and have completed too. Basically all European countries are eligible, plus those whose public broadcasters are part of the European Broadcasting Union.

  • coyootje@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    89
    ·
    6 days ago

    As a Dutch person, I’m very glad we’ve made this decision. After reading about Ireland doing the same I didn’t think we would but I’m glad that we did and also that we’ve decided on this somewhat early instead of waiting to see what the “bigger” countries are doing like we usually do with these things.

  • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 days ago

    Countries are finally speaking up about this, I’ve been waiting for like, 2 years already.

    Israel has undeniably brought the contest into disrepute twice in a row with them sending basically political entries with shady ad campaigns that made a select few voters disproportionately vote for Israel, causing them to spike up in the ranking (almost winning the 2025 contest; JJ is our savior), and yet the EBU just doesn’t even care about this? And when Russia did the whole “let’s take all of Ukraine” move, it took 10 countries to immediately speak up for them to get suspended. Ukraine won that year btw. Like… if the EBU are gonna keep saying the Eurovision Song Contest is “apolitical”, then they have to accept the harsh reality that making your participants be countries immediately makes it otherwise. And this is not the exception, it’s the norm. Both the Olympic Games and the FIFA World Cup have had similar disrepute incidents in the past, most notably with apartheid South Africa.

    Either way, if more countries drop out due to Israel’s continued participate, that could ultimately result in enough awareness for the EBU to finally kick them out for good. Otherwise, the only solution is the privatization of their broadcaster, which literally nobody wants.

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      5 days ago

      Also the commentator in the Israeli live broadcast called every artist who had called the war a genocide an anti-Semite on live tv. Yeah if the EBU wants their contest to stay apolitical than they need to ban the Israeli broadcaster for the commentator’s toxic comments.

      • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        5 days ago

        This year in 2025, they even made fun of the Armenians. I can’t remember exactly what they said, but it was definitely something along the lines of “I can’t believe we gave these guys a quarter in Jerusalem”

        I have ultimately lost faith in these commentators. So much for being an “independent reporter”, EBU. I mean yeah, they’re facing the threat of privatization, but for now they’re public and state-owned, so there’s literally no excuses here.

  • Cosmoooooooo@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    42
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    6 days ago

    It very important to note that Israel is NOT part of Europe. It’s in the Middle East, which is in ASIA.

    • dubyakay@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 days ago

      Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia. Heck, Australia… If these are Europe, then so is Israel.

      That said, I don’t think we should exclude Israel from participating in Eurovision on a geographic basis. We should exclude them instead because they are an ethnofascist apartheid colony that’s committing genocide on its population.

      • python@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        6 days ago

        They were also very clearly rigging the votes in the last Eurovision by having an online campaign aimed at making people vote for them (advertising like that is forbidden by Eurovision rules)

      • Kyden Fumofly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 days ago

        You have right, I’m sorry. And according to the famous actor/comedian Jerry Seinfeld, supporters of Palestine are worse than the KKK supporters.

        • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          3 days ago

          You mean the same Jerry Seinfeld who was “dating” a 17-year-old high school student when he was 39? The one who was on TV a quarter of a century ago?

          Because that dude can fuck himself.

        • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          5 days ago

          I’m already trying to use AI to replace Jerry with Bassem Youssef’s face in Seinfeld episodes.

    • Dremor@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 days ago

      There are already sanctions (violent settlers got their asset frozen, and are forbidden to fly to many countries). Problem is that they take that as a badge of honor, and they don’t have enough outside assets to really be a problem to them.

      • mrdown@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        5 days ago

        We are asking to sanctions israel not just settler. Isrsel built thise settlements to begin with, thrn they armed the settlers than they protected them when they attack westbanker

  • biofaust@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    25
    ·
    6 days ago

    They should really say that they will pull out of the show if israel and the zionists are allowed to sponsor the show through Moroccanoil and Estee Lauder.

    THAT would hurt.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      5 days ago

      Probably different decisionmakers, but also not having a unified stance on Israel is kinda showing them as weak.

  • madjo@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 days ago

    Oh wow, AVROTROS (the broadcaster) finally found a spine? Where was this last year after the incident with Joost Klein?

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      6 days ago

      I don’t think they found a spine so much as they’ve seen the turning of the tide in the media re: Israel Palestine conflict, with several major media outlets running pieces agreeing that it’s a genocide in the last month or so (BBC, Sky, Reuters, etc).

      Aside - I also would like to understand what the turning point was with these media groups where they suddenly pivoted from “Israel are purely defending themselves” to “this is a campaign of genocide”. Its like they hit some arbitrary number. 67,026 = self defence, 67,027 = oh gosh oh wow that’s genocide.

  • ctry21@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    6 days ago

    They are the 6th biggest contributor, and Spain has considered doing similar and they’re one of the big five. It might actually change something since money will matter the most, and enough countries are dropping out that they may not have enough contestants to run the semi-finals. There’s rumours that Italy, Germany, and Britain may withdraw if Israel is kicked out though. Maybe we just won’t have a contest next year, and after the bullshit of the past two years I’m completely fine with that.