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The company making money from technology that allows people to work from home is telling people to return to the office.
I’ve gone out of my way to avoid giving Microsoft money over their continual hypocrisy on almost virtually any issue I care about. Really, a shitty company that gets away with way too much.
Layoff time.
They laid me off 2 months ago. I didn’t even work for MS
Companies keep doing this to shed workers and don’t seem to realise the “rockstar” workers you want to keep are the ones who walk because they have options
All you’re doing is retaining the trapped and shit skilled
It’s an epidemic of “how do we cut staff by 15-20% without paying millions in severance” with no regard to what it means for the company beyond the next four fiscal quarters.
you wanna stop that shit, you cut CEO bonuses.
i’m sure they will do that
“Sure I can come in, I’ll just be constantly late”
They’re gunna pay that fuckin’ severence.
Ah yes. The Intel Strategy.
This is pure cope. They can afford to lose talent.
I doubt microsoft has any talent left. If anything, whatever talent they may have, it cannot and will not be able to change things for the better. Their products are absolutely shit.
Microsoft is going the way of Boeing; trade in the actual people who know how to build a good product (the engineers/seasoned developers) and replace them with management fuckwits.
Case in point the recent update to Windows 11, which outright bricked a whole bunch of PC’s - again.
And just look how they’re handling the forced move to Windows 11. Well, fuck’em. I’m going to Linux. Windows is dead.
replace them with management fuckwits.
That happened over 10 years ago with the release of Win 8.
Talent at Microsoft? The only thing they’ve done the past decade is make their product worse.
Oh I’m sure there’s some super talented people there. They’re just not working very hard to get their stuff done because it’s easy.
Now we’re testing if they’re willing to do the same but also sit in an office probably an hour away, for fun.
It’s just a layoff workout laying people off, except you keep your worst workers for sure
The guy who caught the xz backdoor was a Microsoft engineer who noticed SSH logins taking half a second longer and just had to find out what was going on.
They’ve got proper engineers, they’re just assigned shit projects and tasks. I reckon they’re now being told to shoehorn AI in whereever possible.
Those are typically the people that get let go because management thinks they’re overpaid and wasting time on trivial things like finding out why something is taking a half second longer than normal.
A good line manager will fight tooth and nail to keep those people when upper management demands layoffs. But not every line manager is a good manager. Few are.
I just went through this at my work and upper management didn’t consult anyone before picking and choosing who got let go. They of course used their own out-of‐touch metrics which heavily favored toward laying off the people who’d been there the longest since, in their eyes, Employee A & B in job role X are completely equivalent in knowledge and experience even though one has only done it one year while the other has done it for 30 years. “Why are we paying this guy so much more?” says their spreadsheet.
I have a video recording of the ceo in a company wide meeting saying he will not enforce rto as that ship already sailed and wr will stay remote. Then 2 months later, enforces rto in email selectively to people that are within 25 miles of an office. I then asked him and gave him the video asking him about why he lied and have a screenshot of his dumbass resppnse about things shifting and blah blah. Took him 10 minutes to write his 6 sentence long paragraph. God what a twat.
My company did the same thing. We called the president out on it too with the same result. After a year, they went back to remote work. You and your coworkers should keep bringing it up.
Well since i didnt go in every single day after the rto i was let go due to company “restructuring” fuck em. I should post the video and screenshot now that i have a new job elsewhere.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope you found a job where you can be happy!
Thank you! After 3 months of almost being homeless finally landed a job. But now barely scraping by.
How’s the company doing financially right now? I suspect that all of these RTO mandates are just thinly veiled layoffs.
Idk. Planet DDS
Wow, that’s insanely unfair (25 miles), never heard of that. Either there is value that everyone is in, or not.
Im waiting on my Co to pull this trigger too, jokes on them I’ll just pop in for breakfast and then leave again
My company’s policy is 90 miles. I know people who have to drive 1.5 hours to work each way.
Yeah i wanted to do that too but to drive the 21 miles to work, one way, is 35-45 minutes with “normal” traffic and leaving at slow traffic times. So literally wasting 1 to 1.5 hours driving for chilling in office for a few minutes seems ridiculous. So if i drove in i would stay at least 2-3 hours.
To where? To Microsoft Office?
Sorry I’ve switched to libreoffice
Literally never heard of it. Are you talking about Microsoft 365 Copilot, formerly known as Microsoft 365, formerly known as Office 365?
“Did you say we will all benefit from an OpenOffice plan?”
My office just did the same thing. And the backlash is enormous. No one wants it. No one likes it.
Mine did it for about 1 month. Management was patting themselves on the back. Then they literally went on vacation…and we all just did hybrid/remote like we did before.
The individual who was pushing for remote work got their optics and now we are all back to what we were before. Win/win!
In our case, there are enough upper management folks who are opposed to it that I doubt it will last or ever be enforced. For people like me, it really doesn’t make any sense to enforce it in the first place, because all of my teammates are in other states and countries.
Making me go to the office just means you can’t schedule early meetings with me, because I’ll be commuting during that time.
Just silently grumping about it isn’t backlash. Backlash is a whole team just walking off, or a picket line around campus. Backlash is their precious stock price tanking because the whole on-call team called their bluff and the service is offline. They know no one will do that in this fascist hellscape of an economy, so they don’t care.
Though I’m not sure it’s ’everyone’. I personally, vastly prefer in person work to remote, but I understand my views aren’t universal, or even common.
It’s about what you support rather than what you currently are comfortable with. Do you support flexibility and future proofing your job against your personal life circumstances? Probably yes. Then you support flexibility of workplace.
My favorite was when I was at Amazon watching leadership do the mental gymnastics to justify the move. At some point they just said it’s happening and we’re not listening to you.
it’s happening and we’re not listening to you.
This would be the walking out point for me.
At some point they just said it’s happening and we’re not listening to you.
Which at this point is a more honest answer than the mental gymnastics they are pulling out.
We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results.
Would be interested in seeing that data.
Well you see, it’s ✨magical✨ data that only executives can interpret. Us
lowly employeesungrateful peons just wouldn’t understand it.They must be really special. I bet the next thing they’ll do with this power is create a new religion in Utah.
data = vibes
Translation: when there is no one to harass we can’t look busy.
Better translation: we are just lonely and used to being able to pay people to be our friends.
It’s a little like my council saying "research shows you’ll recycle more if we collect your rubbish bins only once in 3 weeks.
Wtf, no way the data shows that
So Microsoft’s is casting about for something new because AI is not worth the money they spent on it, and management are all out of ideas? Better get the grunts back in their cubicles. Perhaps that will magically fix it. A managerial cargo cult move.
As per the Dead Sea Effect, they’re looking to shed people without actually making them redundant.
As per the Dead Sea Effect, they’re not going to shed the dead weight.
Not heard of that phrase before but 100% this is what will happen in my Co; the talent will leave so they’ll make their redundancy savings but at the cost of retaining all the life’s that put no effort in.
p.s. I’m the salt in this analogy. :)
Are it my management decisions that are wrong? No, it must be those lazy employees.
No one can handle More than 3 days of Microsoft teams anyway.
Ice Cube begs to differ.
Microsoft says AI is more productive than workers. Microsoft says workers are more productive in the office.
AI is not in the office.
So do we bring AI into the office to make it more productive?
Fucking scumbags
What I just read ? They return to office because thanks to AI they can move faster ?
I want the same drugs.
Oh look! Another navel-gazer unable to feel validated without seeing people’s asses in chairs. That’s gonna be awesome for the introverted type who take the most pride in really great code.
And this unhealthy preoccupation with asses is a bit of a red flag.
365 subs for all
Except for Microsoft Teams, because they don’t need that now, right?
Wait didn’t that happen as soon as covid ended?
Microsoft actually poached a lot of good employees when we decided to start pretending that Covid was over because they didn’t do RTO. Now, they’ll probably lose them.
Covid ended?
As soon as the vaccine rolled out so many just started pretending it was completely gone. Or used it as a reason to remove anything done to prevent it. Some states even then outlawed basic things like putting up screens
Yes, the pandemic/global health emergency ended years ago.
