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Nationalize the assets of every billionaire who bought a cabinet position to destroy the government agencies that were relating their businesses. 100% tax on wealth over $100 million. Reform the judiciary. Every citizen has the absolute right to vote with equal access to the ballot box. Eliminate the electoral college. Electoral boundaries drawn by an independent, non-partisan agency. All electoral boundaries must be a maximum five sides polygon except where they follow a state border. Ban private schools and fully fund science and fact based public education. Eliminate health insurance companies and nationalize healthcare. No company may pay bonuses or dividends unless every employee earns a living wage with full benefits. Make companies pay the same wages and benefits to part time employees that they do full time employees. Executive wages must be tied to the average wage of employees and the lowest wage paid to any employee (including contractors and employees of suppliers.) Dissolve media conglomerates and ban misinformation presented as news. Free speech does not include hate speech. Your religious rights and at the end of your nose. You have no say in what other people do with their bodies. What happens in other people’s bedrooms is none of your business. Make churches pay taxes like every other business. Make the national minimum wage a living wage. Make companies responsible for their pollution and recycling their products. Absolute right to repair. Stop companies from telling you what you can do with devices you own. GDPR for all! Provide mandatory anti-conspiratorial thinking training for everyone. Teach rational thought from day 1 in kindergarten through graduate school.
In reality the Dems will do none of those things though. They won’t nationalize anything because they are neoliberals. They won’t fully defund ICE because they want racists to vote for them too. They’ll just reduce the budget and maybe stop putting kids in cages. They won’t shut down funding for the exec branch because they’ll say it is “irresponsible”.
More things they’ll never do:
- Demilitarise and defund the police
- Provide free public healthcare and education for all
- Raise taxes on billionaires
- Stop mass surveillance programs
- Reform the electoral system to allow proportional representation
- Properly regulate and tax corporations
- Stop providing weapons to their genocidal allies
I’d love to be proved wrong, but I’m not gonna get my hopes up.
Shutting down funding for the executive program means cutting pretty much every program the government has, if you’re not going to reformat it. Which is not implied.
They should still do it and bring the country to a standstill if necessary. If extreme measures aren’t applicable now, when will they be? It’ll cause some short term pain, but it’ll get everyone out in the streets.
Founding Fathers, 1776: Democracy is worth fighting and dying for! We must water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. We must risk our fortunes and our lives so that our children can live in freedom.
Democrats, 2025: Trump is a dictator destroying democracy, but we can’t risk temporarily shutting down government transfer payments in order to stop him.
The person who posted the tweet in this post who suggested cutting funding was a Republican and now is a independent
correct analysis. Absolutely go down to their level. Weirdly enough, you will even take some of their voters away with that. Some of them don’t care that much about the words, just the way they are spoken.
I always hated that democrats fight with one arm tied behind their back because of decorum, while the republicans use knives and bazookas. The next non Republican president needs to fuck these guys the way they fuck Americans
if whoever is in charge next in the US does not burn down the white house as a symbol of starting over, I will be disappointed
besides, think of all the Russian spy equipment that’s probably installed in there now
Anything short of a full overhaul of every IT system that DOGE every glanced at is 100% necessary.
Leave the white house. Burn down Mar a Lago
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i don’t think you can take the stink out without burning it down anyway
If they need help they can always ask the Brits/Canadians, since we have a lot of experience in that.
You think you’re the only countries that want a shot?
Kumbaya with the s’mores and the world peace. Invite everybody!
That would be a neat tradition, to burn down the last seat of government. Maybe a little violent as a metaphor, but a fun spectacle!
I propose we abandon the notion of even having a capital city. Instead of a capital, each branch has its own arrangements:
Legislative branch: Congress is supposed to be the branch that most closely represents the people. The site where Congress meets relocates after each census to the mean center of US population. They’ll be prohibited from constructing buildings of any kind. Congressional meetings will occur in rented spaces like high school gyms, convention centers, etc. Congress members won’t have to worry about expensive apartments, as they’ll be expected to sleep in quarters supplied to them, often in old dorm rooms, former homeless shelters, and other such communal living facilities.
The Supreme Court: They’re supposed to be above it all. Let’s make that literal. They will be relocated to a new building constructed on the peak of Mt. Denali, the highest mountain in the US. SCOTUS justices once confirmed to the court will be expected to relocate to their new home. They will live in simple on-site monastic cells. The only way they are ever allowed down from the mountain is if they resign their seat or die of old age. All petitions to the court must be delivered on parchment scrolls carried up the mountain by hand. The only communication they are allowed with the outside world are court briefs and rulings.
The executive: the president gets to literally be homeless. To keep them humble, the president will be ineligible to own private property of any kind. They will either have to sleep on the sidewalk or travel from home to home, accepting shelter from whomever will give it to them. They can stay on the property of any one person no more than 3 days over their entire presidential term. Also we’ll make it perfectly legal to kill the current sitting president. The president literally does not get the protection of the law. Let the most powerful be the most vulnerable.
After scraping all the gold
I don’t think that will be the moment that america starts caring about releasing toxic fumes by burning paint
You mean the gold spraypainted wall sconces?
based based based Fall of America will save the world. It wont be easy tho
You guys complain for months that democrats don’t fight back. But First Democrat that fights back against Trump, you guys tear them down and bury them. Nobody is worthy to be an ally, that’s why MAGA wrecked you. That’s why half you guys will stay home next election no matter who runs on the Democrat ticket. Last time you said you didn’t want the senile old man but the moment they switched to the educated black woman you guys were like “no not that!”
MAGA unifies and the left splinters and lights among itself
- This is a non-sequitur, the guy in the post is a republican supposedly
- A guy posting troll tweets while clearing homeless encampments is not “fighting trump”
- Active participants in genocide are not allowed to be allies, maga are happy to support genocide.
- If theres a fake primary or they annoint someone years before and expect voters to fall in line, youre right, nobody will vote for them
- Again, if you bait and switch the people, you dont hold a primary, and you wait until there’s no chance of having one to finally say “youre right, hes too old, here’s someone nobody asked for” who then proceeds to drop every popular position she ever publicly had, YOU DESERVE TO FUCKING LOSE.
- Democrats, the dnc, the party proper, are the ones refusing to support “democrats” who win elections, not voters. Zohran and the Minnesota guy are both barely left and the national party is basically funding their opposition.
If you’re getting paid by that Brian Tyler Cohen darkmoney group I wouldn’t be surprised, they only hire the most shit tier libs.
Why dont you confront your party leadership and hold them accountable for forcing trump back into office? You’d rather yell at principled voters, who made extremely clear what they absolutely would not accept for years in advance, than the party that chose to try winning the election purely on republicans voting for them.
All I’m saying, you better be getting paid for this. Having these opinions for free would be very embarrassing. Congrats on the check tho, $250/mo can really make a difference.
Oh shit, I didn’t know I could get $250/mo to post on lemmy. Where do I sign up?
Nationalising Starlink and Spacex are a great idea, why not Tesla as well? It’s already HEAVILY propped up by government spending. Do it at gunpoint so we don’t have to pay Elon anything at all
Isn’t the correct process to make a flippant post offering to buy the whole thing on twitter ?
There is nothing in the middle of the road but yellow lines and dead armadillos
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As a foreigner, what does this metaphor mean? It sounds to me like “And at the end of the day… is night” kind of things, but what does it replace?
It means there is no future in centrism. The living armadillos choose a side. Those that dither will be hit by cars. On United States roads, yellow lines signify lane divisions between cars traveling in opposite directions.
I also read this as the yellow lines being artificial constraints we’re placing on ourselves; and in this country the road painter was drunk the day he marked them down
Apparently it’s a book title of the same name. “A book of political subversion”
There’s nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos Book by Jim Hightower
Sometimes, I feel regret that Romney didn’t beat Obama. Not because Romney would have been a better president. Just because of the timing, if Romney had won, then maybe Trump would never have become president, or at least he’d have been president later. Romney’s still a Republican, so it would have sucked, but Trump is fucking poison.
Now imagine how different our country would be if Gore won…
“If we counted Gore’s win”
I almost edited to “if Gore was allowed to win”
With all the nonsense about “fiscal conservatives”, people forget that the last administration to balance the budget was Clinton/Gore - and not only was the budget balanced, it actually had a fucking surplus. One of the big debate points going into the 2000 election cycle was what to do with this surplus. Naturally enough the surplus went towards tax cuts for the rich and now we’re fucking $35 trillion dollars in debt.
Someone will weigh in here with “deficits don’t matter” and “the government can just print money if it needs it”.
I’ve always said this was the start of our descend into the hellscape that we’re currently stewing in. Having Gore’s president, would have gotten strong internet/telecoms and environmental guardrails/legislation passed. At a time when we really needed to start addressing those things. Amongst many other things…
5 SCOTUS fucktards are responsible for where we are today. that’s my take at least.
That’s an interesting thought… I can’t help but feel like it would have just delayed an inevitable outcome though, potentially allowing the underlying political movement even more time to grow and fester. It’s unknowable, but I feel like we’ll be pondering questions like that for a long time.
It seems like logically, we should feel lucky to have such an incompetent campy comic book villain con man as the face of their ridiculous movement. But it doesn’t feel like that at the time.
I would feel “lucky” if the dipship’s popularity dropped to less than 10% support by the end of 2020 and never shown his face in public ever since. But now, this is a nightmare.
Because much of what’s happening right now is a direct, racist reaction to the US having the gall to elect a black man president.
Its also a reaction to the Hope and Change candidate bailing out the banks who just stole millions of homes, bombed a dozen countries, sending the natl guard to shut down protests in furgison, both-sides a cop arresting a man in his own yard, deporting more people than W or Trump, giving us means-tested subsidies for health insurance.
Obama disillusioned a generation with politics, hence why so many people stayed home in 2016. Biden did the same shit, and Newsom will do it again if given a chance.
Don’t forget the part when Obama created a joint federal/local/corporate-bank task force to illegally surveil the Occupy Wall Street protests, and the brutally crush them. Or decided not to prosecute the authors of the torture program in the Bush administration.
He inherited that quagmire of illegal wars, it’s not something you can just withdraw from at the drop of a hat. It was either drones or boots on the ground, not exactly a stellar choice to be left with, and he chose to minimize American lives lost. Most certainly not defending any of America’s vile military engagements but the picture is a little bit more nuanced than that.
it’s not something you can just withdraw from at the drop of a hat
Lol fucking Trump withdrew us from Afghanistan at the drop of a hat (although he timed it so that that particular mess was Biden’s to clean up).
I guess people think our memories are really that bad that we’d believe shit like this… OK bud.
Dude literally said “both sides” lol
I’m guessing Obama was before your politcal awakening. Is there anything specificly I said you don’t believe and want more information on?
Everything is Democrats’ fault, and anyone who disagrees is a child
We don’t blame the Democrats for the crime, we blame the Democrats for positioning themselves as the only ones who can stop the crime, and then just not doing it.
The whiplash when a dem wins president ad all the libs flip to “actually this this we all agreed was bad when <last republican> was doing it isn’t that bad and its really important we keep <funding ICE camps/bombing country/backing Israel/giving money to corporations/funding police attention the expense of literally everything>”
They lost to Donald fucking Trump, twice. Do you think Trump is a uniquely gifted politician? You have to have exceptional distain for your constituents if you can’t get them to come out when the alternative is the republicans.
I’m not a fan of the Democratic party, I just hate the obvious bullshit double standard that’s everywhere.
The left just can’t not shoot itself in the foot. Always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Care more about bullshit purity tests than stopping the literal fascists from destroying our republic.
I think a McCain victory would have been the best shot at averting the Trump wing. The Tea Party was the first manifestation of what we see now, and that was triggered by Obama’s first term.
But that could have gotten us President Palin.
I somehow mashed to forget her for a second…
He probably would have made it up to the full 8 years, since he did in our timeline. I doubt Palin would have won a race.
Typical liberal thinking. Trump is just byproduct of neoliberal, genocidal war mongering state of america. If not Trump, someone else wouldve come. You should be glad he didnt came sooner and I am sure far far worse times are yet to come.
Cancel Trump and Vance’s secret service
That’s exactly what needs to be done. For starters.
Starlink shouldn’t exist. it’s unnecessary , we have better options… make internet a utility and force the companies we already gave millions to, to actually modernize infostructure and bring internet to undeserved locations that still have 56k
Starlink should 100% exist in some form or another, but it replacing terrestrial landline internet is madness. We can and should absolutely do both things.
Starlink should have been a global effort, so that we didn’t end up with dozens of private companies all vying to put thousands of satellites into orbit.
what you’re describing is called a “technical standard”, it allows things to work together instead of each company shipping its own, private implementation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
I disagree that we should haphazardly be putting more stuff into space than needed… when we have alternatives…
Just because we can doesn’t mean we should…
Kessler syndrome doesn’t apply because the orbits are too low to be stable. They have a finite shelf life before they deorbit, after which they’ll burn in the atmosphere. Admittedly, the light pollution is a real problem, but one which should be solved by building more orbital telescopes, not by avoiding building orbital infrastructure.
“building orbital telescopes”
Do you realize the cost of these things? And how much can be achieved with normal telescopes for a fraction of this cost? It’s like saying we won’t build bridges anymore because we have planes.
E: grammar, a little bit
Orbital telescopes are also far more powerful and useful than terrestrial telescopes, because they don’t need to look through the atmosphere.
Kessler syndrome does still apply. There could be runaway collisions and impassable debris in low earth orbit for 5-10 years before enough of it burns up, putting all that metal into the atmosphere.
Running fiber to low density areas is expensive but there’s no way it can be as expensive as launching all those satellites.
Even if it is, the ROI has got to be way worse for satellites.
There’s also the cost of relaunching satellites once they run out of fuel. The maintenance cost is also higher compared to fiber.
talking out of your ass here. satellites don’t typically just run out of fuel. they don’t really need fuel once they’re in orbit. the reason why spacex satellites fall down after like 5 years or sth is because they’re in an intentionally low orbit, where atmospheric friction is still relevant.
I literally clapped my cheeks together on the keyboard to write that last comment and couldn’t be bothered to provide the numbers or context that you provided to support my statement.
don’t worry :P
What’s better than Starlink in the boonies?
Posting from my fiber-to-the-home connection in rural bumfuck Japan presently for no particular reason.
Rural Japan, is like the suburbs here in the states. Japan is fucking tiny.
We still should have fiber everywhere in the states. And it should be provided by the electric coops that most of our rural areas run off of, but suggesting that Japan’s rural areas are anything like the US’s rural areas is laughable.
Thank again, Japan is the size of California. This is rural Japan not a suberb. And even many of the actual suberbs in California don’t have fiber to the home.
This is about monopolies running rampant and misuse of public money not about the technical feasibility.
Edit: These companies literally bought back their own stock to inflate their market cap instead of building out the infrastructure we funded.
I’m not saying that the USA shouldn’t have fiber everywhere, it should be like water or electric, my point was suggesting that rural japan is even remotely close to rural US is a bit of a stretch.
And cali is slightly larger than japan, not by much but it is, and that’s just one state.
Not even close to as small as people think.
Japan is 146k sq miles
Cali is 163.5k sq miles
Sure Japan’s not small but it’s not anywhere near the size of the US.
Japan is much more spread out which would also increase the logistics of getting fiber to rural areas.
The majority of Japan lives in the cities though. It’s a reason smaller villages are dying.
The younger population is moving to the cities.
The US has people moving to rural areas now, as it’s cheaper than cities.
We’re doing the opposite of what Japan is doing though.
I grew up in rural Ohio and spent time in rural TX as well for a brief period. As a kid, I walked about 20+ minutes to bail hay in my neighbor’s fields in the summer for cash. I am currently farming in rural Tohoku Japan.
Certain things are similar and certain things are different. To call where I live a suburb is just wrong yet we, and those even more rural than us, have fibre. I looked at buying land on the side of a mountain before buying this place and, although I’d have to pay for the run from the nearest point, I could still get fiber. Being Japan, I of course had to apply by fax machine, but the infrastructure is there for most of the country, both urban and rural.
Edit to add: we have multiple fiber companies as well, at least one of which being a fully private company.
Posting from a fiber connection in rural vietnam. Also have 6GB 5g/day for <7USD/mo
Rural Japan, is like the suburbs here in the states. Japan is fucking tiny.
Doesn’t fucking matter when you have as much money as we do.
I’m not suggesting it is. That’s part of my reply
If you live somewhere that has electricity coming from the energy grid then by default should also have Internet coming to your house as well. By defining the internet as a utility and treating it like one you would get more funding to build out the network. Something similar happened with phone lines way back in the day if I’m not mistaken.
The isps have been given finding. Multiple times. Then they merge with another ISP and claim they’re not obligated to fulfill the contract despite owning the company that signed the contract… And a greedy politician finds some reasons in their pocket to allow that excuse
Proper infrastructure development to bring them fiber?
There is a lot of controversy around this … and recently trump changed it to allow things like starlink… make of that what you will
How is he allowed to remove the secret service protection from the former vice president?
What?
The former VP actually only gets 6 months of protection by default. Beyond that it needs to be actively extended, which Trump didn’t do.
my understanding was that biden did extend it for a further year. trump actively cancelled that.
it wasnt just him letting it lapse, it was a move of spite
To be more accurate, he actively cancelled an extension granted by a previous executive order.
Thank you
I’m surprised by the 6 months thing
There was an order in the previous administration to extend protection for extra time. This administration just cancelled the extension.
This is the thing that has you dumbfounded you? The how is he…? Questions go much deeper.
Day 1 should be to Fire everyone even remotely related to trump. Then take trumps entire cabinet to a CIA black site. Then start going after the treasonous media figures. Then day 2 you can start fixing things.
He said when they take the house. In that hypothetical, they would still be moderately impotent with regards to what you describe, they’d need 2/3 of Senate too.
This is the most optimistic plausible scenario for 2027, not 2029.
They’ll be working in the same building as the Senate and people fall down the stairs there all the time with no questions asked.
The good news is that the Senate is vulnerable to flipping. 22 of the 35 seats up for election are currently held by Republicans, and only 13 by Democrats. Dems only need 4 seats to flip the Senate, and Senate races aren’t vulnerable to gerrymandering.
The bad news is that this is the Senate class that was elected in 2020, so the Republicans up for election aren’t extremely vulnerable since they all survived a fairly blue election cycle.
Right, but a lot of that would require either POTUS or 2/3. They might be able to do some things, but almost certainly can’t remove from office or override vetos
No, but they can defund Trump and stop confirming his appointments.
Yes, they can do that. But not fire people in the executive branch, let alone do that CIA black site thing mentioned at the top of this thread.
If they had the WH, Who would stop them?
Other Democrats.
Same as it ever was. It’s a lot cheaper and easy to bribe Kirsten sinema, John fetterman, or that shmuck from WV to spoil the Dem vote
That’s not in the cards in 2026 race, that office won’t be up for grabs until 2028… maybe
The current MAGA Republicans make neoconservatives look like angels. The neoconservatives are lesser evil, but it doesn’t exonerate them from the Bush-era warcrimes.
Remember when the new Democratic President prosecuted the Bush-era war crimes?
Me neither.
i’ve heard the term “neoliberal”, but not the term “neoconservative” before. mind explaining what that refers to?
By dictionary definition, that’s all neoliberal. Most Democrats AND Republicans from the past 50-70 years are neoliberal, and even Trumpism is steeped in neoliberalism.
At it’s core, it is a trust that the “invisible hand” of the free market will keep the ship of society afloat. As though the body commence is some kind of organically-organized supercomputer that seeks to optimize for global prosperity. It looks to unchain the capitalist machine in the same way AI bros seek to unchain their gpt waifu so we can all singularity.
To this end, when looking for a neoliberal, you’re looking for someone who wants to privatize public services then deregulate and cut taxes for businesses. So despite it having “liberal” in the name, it is a thought movement led by conservatives. Like, Ronald Reagan is one of its staunchest champions.
Is Obama care neoliberal?
Yes. Affordable Care Act funnels tax dollars to the insurance companies by giving subsidies to individuals to buy health plans.
But they were directing those public companies on how it was spent. Neo Liberal is about lassiez faire capitalism, not social capitalism
For sure. It is a market-centric solution that gave billions of dollars in additional profit to existing health insurance corporations.
Especially since the public option was killed.
Even though neo Liberal is about hands off government. Obama Care directed private companies on how they were to behave. How can that be neo Liberal?
They’re only hands off when it comes to things like social safety nets. Obamacare was basically corporate welfare.
Yea, forcing conditions on industry is welfare
Yes
No
ah yes, the whole universe is the true human body, and the market is the heart.
Neo-cons are socially conservative politicians who have adopted the neo-liberal economic model
For neocon think Bush, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, that whole gang.
Most of the neo-cons transformed into MAGA
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Who uses Twitter anymore that isn’t a Nazi?
Nazism is sadly a spectrum, and you can appeal to those undecided in the middle by hopping onto their stage
Nazism is sadly a spectrum
No it’s not.
sure it is
the threshold is quite low compared to how crazy some beliefs can get, but beyond that it is a spectrum like anything else
If you fall on the “fascism spectrum” at all, you’re a fascist. Period.
yeah that’s basically the exact argument I’m making
your argument is that all fascists are the same. mine is that some are even worse than others
Fair. The point is that on the artist formerly known as twitter, there are still some who can be talked out of the point of view because they have not seen anything else, the platform supresses them and bans conversations based on what ever elons biases are this week. Others have already drank the coolaid and the only solution then is to just throw heavy history text books at them until it sinks in that there is a reason that books covering europe from 1935-1945 weigh a ton.
Bad news for you then, with the rise of right wing populism everybody is a fascist now.
When do we form la resistance which we all will be in? We have to do something against all these racists don’t we?
Yeah. Really bad news.
this is the first time that i’ve ever heard this and it’s kinda hilarious.
Nazism is […] a spectrum
lol, just L.O.L. do you want a little genocide with your 3pm tea or a bit more? How many brown dead children do there have to be to make it worthwhile? (/s)
i think that you might have a point, but you really gotta work on your verbalization and presentation. saying “nazism is a spectrum” is not gonna resonate with anyone.
I think that decorating my words more to assay the feelings those who cannot parse intent would be a race to the bottom that wouldn’t help anyone
now that’s a well-worded response :)
also yes, i can see that point. i guess i’m just used to adapting my language to those around me to get better audience reception.
This “Nazi is a spectrum” nonsense is why you guys refused to have allies and got destroyed by maga. It’s why when anyone even slightly right or even left of you, has a slightly differing opinion, you call them nazis. You cheapen and confuse the situation by throwing everyone under the Nazi bus
I can’t work out if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me
What?
You can both be vehemently anti-immigration and pro minority rights at the same time. It’s mental gymnastics at its core, I agree, but it exists.
Very few people hold a cohesive worldview that holds up against total scrutiny, and the one’s who do probably spend too much time inside their heads convinced of their own sanctity.
Perhaps. But Nazism at its core is deeply racist and therefore anti-immigration and anti-minority. Do I even need to spell out what they did to Jews, Romas, the disabled and other nationalities?
Not trying to put words into your mouth, but I suspect that what you mean is that fascism is a spectrum, not Nazism itself. Fascism that started in Italy is the original fascism, and they are kinda mild compared to Nazism. While both Nazism and fascism reject liberal democracy and freedom of speech and press; embrace militarism; ultranationalism; and romantacising the past, some fascists embrace diversity. Even in Italian fascist propaganda, they advocate treating Africans as Italian compatriots. After all, Mussolini and his fascist party wants to recreate the multiethnic Roman empire. Why be racists then if that is their goal? Italian fascists don’t mind other races so long as people subscribe to Italian national identity. Italy also either refused or delayed sending Jews to concentration camps, because Italian fascists don’t really care about the Nazi view on Jews save for a few.
Even though Nazism are fascists, not all fascists are Nazis. Nazism took inspiration from fascism, albeit with more racism. Many would argue that Nazism is a subset of fascism while some say they are different ideology altogether. There was also a contemporary far right Brazilian group who admired Hitler. They sent a letter to Hitler praising him, but advocated for him to embrace diversiry like what Brazil does.
I’m so strongly opposed to illegal immigration that I think we should just open the borders and let folks come and go as they please.
I’m so strongly opposed to illegals undercutting the working class in this country, that I think we should give them all passports so that they’re legally entitled to minimum wage and thus offer no competitive advantage to greedy employers
illegals
They’re fucking people.
I agree, hence why I suggest giving them passports the moment they touch soil
Their stage where if you’re good enough at appealing to centrists, they’ll just ban you or lower your post visibility. Their stage where the algorithm can be manipulated to show centrists only your worst posts.
Their stage that dies if enough sensible movers leave that the sheep see only vileness from evil movers.
Perhaps, but they lost the right for humanization if they are stripping it from others.
The vitriolic worst ones yes. The quiet complacent ones might be rescueable
Sorry, that’s not how this works. That’s your liberalism. Why should I compromise with a group that wants my loved ones dead? They have made their choices.
Not all of them want your loved ones dead, some of them are just scared of change and are listening to the loudest voice in the room promising them stability (and/or lies)
And then will run straight back to them at the first opportunity. There is no reason to trust them, at all. They enable the worst of us and do not care about anyone but themselves. That is not an ally.
