Move over gamers, AI shills are the most discriminated group now!
So when this gets posted as a post it gets hundreds of upvotes but when I say the same thing as a lemmy comment I get hate?
It’s wild that OP would think these two things are equivalent.
Pronouns are a thing that harms nobody, and the people frothing at the mouth are going out of their way to hurt people who did nothing wrong.
AI (in its most common meaning at this time in pop culture) at the minimum is wasting electricity (and it’s associated climate impact), and has the potential to totally decimate the job market and usher in an era of inequality that we haven’t seen for hundreds of years, while simultaneously stealing from artists. The people frothing at the mouth aren’t hurting anyone.
To use a bit of hyperbole, it’s kinda like if you said:
Some of y’all see “white power” and freak out without processing anything that’s being said, like a conservative who sees a mixed race couple.
Like pretty clearly people have a good reason for freaking out when they see that, and the other side of the equation are just bad people.
Ah, that false quote is beautiful. It’s like watching an effortless right hook delivered squarely onto the jaw of whoever Rocky Balboa is fighting.
Yes, it’s totally okay starve millions of homes of water and jack up their utility bills to be able to summarize articles and write emails. (/s)
If I’m seeing the word “AI” outside of academic research or shitposting, it’s almost certainly coming from a Techbro or techbro simp.
Pretty sus how much pro-AI slop is suddenly on lemmy right as GPT5 is about to be launched.
Be less fucking obvious, you dipshits.
amazing example of the person described in the post!
I dont evento understand your point. His are both things related?
i saw someone on masto mad about the new background removal thing added to kdenlive
i despise llms and image models for quite a number of reasons but just aaaaaaaaaaaaa
that is absolutely the coolest thing I have seen in technology in years
ITT: exactly what the tweet was about. (Edit: It was a tumblr post.)
Y’all just saw “AI” and started frothing at the mouth about LLMs when, in the context of the tweet, it might just as well have referred to path finding AI in a video game.
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But tbf ‘AI’ in current public discourse and pop culture is (annoyingly) used synonymously with ‘LLM’ more often than not
you could be talking about video game AI… but are you?
I wasn’t talking about AI at all, I was talking about people talking about AI.
AFAICT the OP was talking about vocaloid. https://sexygaywizard.tumblr.com/post/739313272247009280/some-of-yall-will-see-the-word-ai-and-freak-out#notes
Exactly, it’s downright comical how well OP called it.
Thanks commenter! That’s why I posted it. I knew this would happen.
Aren’t you OP? Also, people currently understand “AI” (a marketing term) as “LLMs” and audiovisual producing software. Had you mentioned it in the late 90s, it would’ve been more about “The Matrix” kind of sci-fi AI, for instance, and before it would’ve referred to Cameron’s Terminators or Herbert’s “machine intelligence”. Words and their context. You’re being purposefully obtuse because people here wrote thoughtful comments disagreeing with the premise in the image you posted (and apparently agree with) and you don’t like it as it makes you feel silly. That’s all.
OP in this case would be the Tumblr user sexygaywizard who made the post in the image
AI is like I dog shit on a sidewalk: I go out of my way to avoid it.
I will stop freaking out when naive techbro men stop the ecological mass murder and environmental destruction that they supposedly NEED to do to sustain their shitty knockoff of a religion/cult.
Silicon valley is just a convoluted project to revive prey enlightenment Christianity, but stupider and more evil.
Everything they have peoduced since 2008, if not earlier, is part of this.
Until we fundamentally invent a new algorithmic approach to ML then there will be no more progress made in the abilities of AI.
So it’s here and it’s finished for a long time. Now is when you make a judgment on the validity of a new tech.
And this tech has been all marketing and no substance besides the ML applications we have been using them for since the 90s.
Let’s cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we’re too lazy to photoshop! What’s not to like? More fossil fueled plagiarized bullshit so I don’t have to think please!
Edit: Looks like I struck a nerve with some people who are, similarly to “AI”, confidently incorrect about a few things. I’m not even saying LLM can’t be used for good, it has, but I am saying that it is being used for a lot of bad shit and it’s being powered by a lot of bad shit on top of that.
Think about that before you start hyping “AI” and attacking anyone who criticizes it because there’s some valid criticisms that are very dangerous to ignore.
“AI” is not just LLMs or diffusion models, and that’s what I think OPs is about, like, do you also hate Stockfish? Or enemies in a videogame?
How often do you think that this confusing actually results in people acting as described in the tweet?
Context matters, and the people who are the audience for tweets about stockfish are aware of the nuance. Outside of niche communities, “AI” without additional explicit context means LLMs for the vast vast majority of the time.
If this isn’t a strawman, then it’s at least a misleading argument.
Saying AI = LLMs is an severe oversimplification though. LLMs and image generators are subsets of AI that are currently most prominent and with which is most commonly knowingly being interacted with, but pretty much every formal definition is wider than that. Recommendation algorithms, as used on YouTube or social media, the smart (photo) search, are further examples of AI that people interact with. And fraud detection, learning spam filters, abnormality (failure) detection, traffic estimation are even more examples. All of these things are formally defined as AI and are very much commonplace, I would not call them niche.
The fact that LLMs and image generators are currently the most prominent examples does not necessarily exclude other examples from being part of the group too.
Using AI as a catch all phrase is simply a case of overgeneralization, in part due to the need of brevity. For some cases the difference does not matter, or is even beneficial. For example, ‘don’t train AI models on my art’ would only marginally affect applications other than image generation and image analysis, and covers any potential future applications that may pop up.
However, statements ‘ban AI’ could be easily misconstrued, and may be interpreted in a much wider manner than what the original author may have intended. There will be people with a variety of definitions to what does or does not constitute AI, which will lead to miscommunication unless it is clear from context.
It probably wouldn’t hurt clarifying things specifically and talking about the impact of a specific application, rather than discussing what is (or is not) to be classified as AI.
You’re correct in a technical sense but incorrect in a social sense. In 2025, “AI” in the common vernacular means LLMs. You can huff and puff about it, and about how there are plenty of non-LLM AIs out there. But you might as well complain that people mean silicon-based Turing-complete machines when they refer to a “computer,” even though technically a computer can mean many other things. You might as well be complaining about how a computer could refer to someone that does calculations by hand for a living. Or you could refer to something like Babbage’s difference engine as a computer. There are many things that can technically fall under the category of “computer.” But you know damn well what people are saying when they describe a computer. And hell, in common vernacular, a smart phone isn’t even a “computer,” even though it literally is just a computer. Words have both technical and vernacular meanings.
In 2025, in the language real speak in the real world, “AI” is a synonym for “LLM.”
It’s a failure of our education systems that people don’t know what a computer is, something they interact with every day.
While the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis might be bunk, I’m convinced that if you go up one level in language structure there is a version of it that is true. That is treating words as if they don’t need a consistent definition melts your brain. For the same reason that explaining a problem to someone else helps you solve it, doing the opposite and untethering your thoughts from self-consistant explanations stops you from explaining them even to yourself, and therefore harms your ability to think.
I wonder if this plays some part in how ChatGPT use apparently makes people dumber, that it could be not only because they become accustomed to not having to think, but because they become conditioned to accept text that is essentially void of consistent meaning.
That’s really the crux of this stupid argument. Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no. At this point, AI means “over hyped LLM and other generalist models.” But the person trying to judge others over AI would say yes.
Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no.
The term “AI” is already pretty fuzzy even in the technical sense, but if that’s how you’re using it then it doesn’t mean anything at all.
That’s a great point and you are right, most people don’t know/don’t care about the technical differences
Also, some things are called AI that aren’t. People are freaking out as soon as the term is mentioned without checking if it’s actually some sort of model or if it’s just a basic algorithm with a buzzword tossed on.
Exactly
I hate stockfish because it keeps beating me >:(
“AI” in videogames is basically never powered by large models like LLMs or Stable Diffusion or others. The fact you compare them only demonstrates how fucking little you actually know about this topic you are BLINDLY defending.
Let’s cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we’re too lazy to photoshop!
Decided to look into it, and a loose estimate (it’s hard to find data on the power usage of photoshop) is that 1 minute of photoshop average is about 1 gen image at 4k output.
Which means depending on use case and experience, an AI spun up locally to make something quickly would use far less electricity
Without training I assume? (Which on top of that almost always violates liscenses)
Well my iPhone 14 Pro gets really hot really quickly and the battery is comparable to a countdown app when I load a totally local LLM
Let’s cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we’re too lazy to photoshop!
You’re kinda proving the point of post. That’s literally what everyone here thinks of when someone says Ai
Because it’s true.
Think
Then they wouldn’t be hyping and defending the current state of the “AI”
While you are correct that AI is a horrible source of greenhouse gas due to its insatiable need for power, I wouldn’t call the people using it the make pictures “too lazy to learn Photoshop”. Being able to draw is a talent not everyone has and it’s kind of amazing to be able to make a picture you see in your mind without having the innate talent to do so. That being said, the people who have the talent who’s art has been used to train these AI systems should be broadly compensated for their work being used in the AI models.
I despise whenever someone talks like this about drawing. Everyone can draw. Nobody was born being able to make masterpieces from day one. It’s not some mystical arte that only those with the Chosen One gene can do. It all comes down to a willingness to try and to learn. That’s it. Using “talent” to bar yourself from doing so is only doing yourself a disservice. Even drawing silly little stick men is still practice, and I can attest to that from both first and second-hand experience. Just pick up a pencil, or boot up paint on a computer (but please, at least download paint.net or something), and you’ll find that you can indeed draw, you just have to do it enough to gain confidence. It’s like walking, or driving a car. I don’t see anyone saying that some people have innate driving talent and some don’t.
That’s absolute bullshit. I spent years trying to get good at drawing. I bought lots of books on how to draw and was never able to make anything that didn’t look like it was made by a 5 year old. I even learned Photoshop and Illustrator cause I thought that those would be a gateway for me to get better. Spoilers, it didn’t.
So go fuck yourself with your “everyone can draw” horseshit argument. No, not everyone can draw. And it doesn’t just take “working hard at it till you’re good”. You have to have talent. I fucking don’t, as well as lots of others out there.
And I said in my comment as well as many other places, these AI drawing sites need to compensate the people who’s talent they, at this point in time, have stolen. Just because I think the technology has purpose doesn’t mean I don’t think that there are problems with it.
You know, Ben Shapiro is a failed hollywood screenwriter. Maybe you can jump on Fox News and become a panelist complaining that M&Ms can’t wear sexy shoes anymore or something, too.
Equating someone lacking talent for something with literally being disabled is a pretty stupid take.
Hence why I didn’t say people who don’t do it are lazy. Laziness is an inherently capitalist ideal, saying that those who aren’t constantly working are somehow lesser. However, those who don’t at least try tend to quote the idea of a “lack of talent”, which is simply not true or helpful. Everyone is able to draw, though some may need some help in doing so. It’s part of being alive.
Art can be made out of literally anything. Trash, pieces of fabric, some chalk on a sidewalk, spray cans, arrangement of random objects, sea shells, etc. People will still love to look at shitty sketches and cute chibis and eagerly repost that art. Your medium doesn’t have to be just paper and pencil, nor just an expensive digital screen and a paid paint program, but even then digital can be free. Kritia, MS Paint, Sketchbook, IbisPaint, Fossify Paint, and many more are free and easy to download on Android. Procreate is cheap and loved by many. There are people doing this shit on their phone with their finger and a lot of determination.
None of these artists started out making masterpieces, they had to take the time to get to where they are and learn. Thousands of free tutorials are online, on both YT and other social media platforms, for any kind of art medium. Years of work and practicing every day. Even for those who are making masterpieces now, they take probably days or weeks to finish off a major project, they can’t just pump that shit out.
If you can’t draw or photoshop images well, that’s fine, as not everyone is able to do that skill. I want to learn to draw, but I can recognize that I probably don’t have to time right now in my life to do that, nor will I likely be able to reach the level I dream of, and I accept that. But the moment you decide to get mad at the people opposing AI art and using AI to Photoshop, or you yourself ever use AI to do such acts, then I will gladly call you a lazy bastard. You can’t have your cake without the effort that others put in to do it, and if you’re doing it for commercial purposes, you should be dragged through the streets.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it. It causes discussion, whether good, bad, happy, angry, etc. AI art is only amazing on the surface, “wow, we have the tech to do this” and then it stops being amazing. Either way am artist/digital designer or don’t make whatever it is you wanted. Using AI to make art is embarrassing.
Art can be made out of literally anything.
Such as LLMs.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it.
You don’t think there’s any thought put into AI art by the creators?
Art is art, it doesn’t matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
You don’t think there’s any thought put into AI art by the creators?
I think it is vanishingly small, if present at all. Like watching somebody artistically pick which youtube video to watch while eating.
Thanks for providing an example
So sorry for criticizing AI for very serious problems that will affect me in my lifetime along with everyone I care about. What a piece of shit I am, please forgive me! AI is totally great and has no problems at all!
AI only exacerbates an existing problem with tech; AI datacenters pollute and consume because datacenters pollute and consume
a lot of things many people do online, including watching videos or playing online games, are super polluting. yet no one talks about this
you don’t care about the environment, you care about AI
Wildly presumptive and incorrect statement about me, but you are right about data centers.
On that note, it’s worth pointing out that some fediverse instances are powered by renewables! It’s small compared to the Internet at large, but it’s a start.
That’s not what the post is about? How do you know I don’t agree with you? This post is about people, not AI.
Yesterday I saw a guy attacked on fuck_ai because he wasn’t extreme enough with his anti ai attitude.
I commented to him, only said I thought that his comment was valid and got promptly deleted.
Is this the new sub tweeting? Whining in a shitpost sub about how you got modded for continuing to support a logical fallacy after the mod said knock it off?
It was not a logical fallacy to begin with and I only had one comment and it was only to the guy who was attacked, not to anyone else.
What do you care so much where I talk about how obnoxious fuck_ai has become? It’s a stupid cult, that doesn’t want any dissenting opinions and people are attacked for not being extreme enough. A sewer.
Yeah, the church of anti-AI is loud, obnoxious, and obstinate.
[slopping intensifies]
People hyping “AI” are the ones that seem like cultists to me. It’s not even artificial intelligence, they’re misusing the term to make money. They rebadged LLM.
There are extremist on both sides. But at least the anti-AI group has environmental responsibility on their side.
Environmental responsibility? That’s the only real argument they have and even that is on shaky ground.
Ahh yes, not the literal theft of billions of peoples’ work. Not prematurely replacing jobs with machines. Those are all totally cool things LLMs are doing!
… You and your type are fucking clowns.
I beg to differ. Anti ai is way bigger on Lemmy than pro. You can see this even by the likes.
Second part is about semantics of ai. We use the term AI because that kind of stuck. Everybody uses the term. It makes no sense to every time rage about what it means specifically, especially since most people do fairly understand what it is.
Clearly they do not know what it is when they say, “LLMs and video game AI are the same thing!” No. No they aren’t. At all. In basically every case, they are wholly different.
No idea what you are talking about. The largest majority cals LLMs artificial intelligence. Because lnguistically, LLM is simply a subtyp of AI.
In public discourse and marketing, “AI” has become a blanket term for anything that learns and writes like a human, and LLMs fit the bill. So as a linguistic shortcut, when LLMs got popular, people replaced that specific kind of AI with just “AI. By definition, an LLM is a kind of AI, a specialized system trained on massive text to generate language, making it a clear hyponym of AI. That relationship justifies calling LLMs simply AI.
There is also because of generic reference: It’s easier to say “I used AI” than to specify “I prompted a 175B‑parameter transformer model.”
I sorry dude, but these are jusy linguistic mechanism at play. You can shout and complain so you want, it’s AI. It’s AI. Get over it, find a different hill to die on.
I have never seen anyone other than tech bros hype AI. Quite the opposite, I only see people raging on AI.
Gee do you think maybe there’s some good fuckin reasons for that
I guess I should make some sort of clever comment about a mirror here but it looks like I’ve run out of shits to give. Good chat!
Me too. Especially here in Lemmy. Definitely way more people rage about it. Rarely I see people being obnoxious by promoting it.
You must only be reading web forums like Lemmy/Reddit. I think society as a whole is very excited by the idea of AI.
Companies everywhere have been racing to be the first to add AI to their products, for instance. Not just tech bro companies either. Everybody.
Edit: so many downvotes and no comments. I see AI hype everywhere, it’s a fact. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, just that it isn’t limited to tech bros.
You got me wondering, and it seems like opinion is mixed among US adults
Overall, we saw mixed emotions around the rise of AI. 39% of Americans feel positive about AI while 20% feel negative. The most commonly expressed emotion was curiosity, followed by interest and worry.
It seems to hold true internationally too
People are most likely to say they are concerned (32%), curious (30%), and hopeful (27%) about artificial intelligence. … 24% of respondents said AI will make our lives better. 41% of respondents think AI will make our lives both better and worse. Only 10% of respondents think AI will only make our lives worse
Companies hopping on a fad bandwagon doesn’t mean that the public in general wants it.
Branding something as “AI” just tells me that there probably wasn’t anybody critically examining the output to assess that it wasn’t 100% BS. If you’re using computer technology to scan bodies for possible early cancer symptoms, for example, then you should have a professional look over the computer’s results and you shouldn’t use the marketing terms that are used for churning out brainless media content.
Branding something as “AI” just tells me that there probably wasn’t anybody critically examining the output to assess that it wasn’t 100% BS.
I think those two ideas are completely unrelated. LLMs are indeed an application of AI, and whether someone assesses its output has nothing to do with what they call the tool. I mean, people can be selectively specific in the areas that matter, but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong or obtuse across the board.
I have no idea what point you’re trying to get across but I just got back from shopping for a laptop for my college kid and pretty much all of them had a slop button
If you are still looking https://frame.work/ I didn’t see any ai slop button on these.
They use AI to translate the website, which is great, but the German looks awful at times.
I might consider that for myself, next time I need one, but the kid is not a techie. He needs something that just works, with anything he may encounter , for at least 4 years. Most damning of all he probably needs to be able to game, and is not interested in having to figure out extra steps
Fucking love my Framework 16 and I’ll tell everyone every chance I get.
I’m really happy with my ASUS Zenbook 14 (16GB memory, 512GB SSD, Intel Core Ultra 7 255H), which I got for $700, in case you’re still looking for a recommendation. Absolutely worth it IMO, though I’m running Linux, so the Copilot key is mapped to the compose key.
Went with an Acer. Best keyboard, tiny screen borders for a fairly compact 16” screen, 32G, 2TB, 3.1 lb …. I forget which CPU, we looked at so many.
The big question is battery life, and we decided to risk it. For a claimed 9.5 hours battery life when new, will it still get through a realistic full day of classes for the next four years. Hopefully
I’ve had good experiences with Acer with previous laptops, so that was probably a good choice. Best of luck to your kid!
Thanks
That’s awesome, back in my day, we had to spit in our homemade fleshlights to get the slop.
I will stop freaking out when they will stop trying to shove it down my throat all the time
That’s what she said!
^I’m sorry^
“she” being a conservative woman talking about pronouns again
^I’m sorry^
No, you’re not xD
ai or pronouns
That doesn’t narrow it down, are you a conservative bigot, or just an AI-hater?
I’m a conservative bigot only when it comes to AI
See, that narrows it down
My conservative neighbor posted something online about the gays “shoving their lifestyle down her throat.” That phrase must be being pushed from Fox News or something.
It is a favourite phrase of homophobes and transphobes; it’s often given as the reason when you ask why someone is against pride parades
Pretty insulting comparison, tbh.
Pronouns: Expanding language to communicate the humanity of other people.
AI: Distilling language to package human communication as a sellable product.
One of the most insidious things that has happened over the past few decades is this overarching narrative that the left and right are equally evil and two sides of the same coin. That they are in any way comparable.
It has poisoned literally every aspect of life.
“The left went too far with ‘woke’, but that doesn’t mean we need to go too far in the other direction!”
No. fuck that. Wanting basic human dignity for all people is not comparable to fascism. It’s insane that this even needs to be said.
It’s fucking baked into everything at this point. It is inescapable. I fucking hate it.
If you want to take this one step further, it’s the the inevitable result of identity politics in general.
Once you decide to generalize away per-issue stances just to paint them “left or right”, “red or blue”, “my team your team” then it becomes trivial to make an argument that both sides are the same, or conversely that both sides are polar opposites. Whatever suits you.
Republicans and Democrats both shovelled weapons to Israel. They are thus, as a whole, identical. Indistinguishable. Republicans are erasing reproductive Rights. Democrats are trying to guarantee them. They are thus, as a whole, complete polar opposites.
Generalizing from the specific is a convenient mechanism, but error prone, and it leads to absolute trash discourse… Which in turn leads to a failure of consensus for specific demands to make during a protest.
“No Kings” isn’t realistically actionable.
Republicans and Democrats both shovelled weapons to Israel. They are thus, as a whole, identical. Indistinguishable.
This is disputable. They have had very different approaches. I’m convinced this talking point is conjured up by Russia to sow dissent.
… Did they both involve sending weapons to Israel?
This is exactly my point. You’ve made it better than I ever could have.
The minute you buy into identity politics, you’ll reject what is front of your own eyes because you fail to seperate an issue from the whole. If “they” are wrong on the “issue”, then you’ll diminish the “issue” to protect the whole, thus protecting your identity.
Biden and the world and the current Democrats are absolutely fucked the dog on Israel. That doesn’t mean the Democrat turd sandwich isn’t still better than the giant douche, but there is no godly reason that one can’t evaluate issues honestly.
US foreign policy involves US companies sending weapons to Isreal and the US gov providing aid. Its been that way for over 50 years. Once the war broke out for the first 6 months there was no reason that should change, the democrat policy during this time was to use the aid as leverage to constain isreal and they did. The republican policy as been to use the US’s position on the world stage to empower isreal. These are two completely different approaches.
The dems got multiple ceasefires and pushed for a reasonable end to the conflict while republicans broke ceasefires and changed the deal to be so one sided there is near 0 chance gaza accepts.
