• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    I really need to get into local government because there seems to be a lot of bribes going around and I need a new computer.

  • Courtney (she/her/they) @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Just as managers and owners agreed to the compromise of unions in order to prevent the workers from dragging them from their homes and setting the factory on fire with them inside, governments should feel the fear of what happens when you treat people like shit and ignore their complaints.

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      A lot of people died to get the pittances we got from the ownership class. Decades of

      • labor: we want to paid in real money, and work less than 12 hours a day 6 days a week
      • owner: no
      • labor: then we’re going on strike
      • owner, to the state: HELP
      • the state: sends police and troops to do violence to labor

      The idea that peacefully asking for stuff on its own is effective is largely ahistorical. A happy myth sold by the people who would be receiving violence.

  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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    Ya know…everyone always tries to say violence isn’t the answer. It’s things like this that tells me those people are stupid. Violence is absolutely the answer.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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      I think they mean violence isn’t the first thing you reach for. There’s a real problem in the world, and especially in the US, where the moment someone is even moderately upset about something they immediately start pulling weapons.

      You should always attempt to negotiate and de-escalate the situation. Violence is something you should reach for only after it becomes abundantly evident that they are not prepared to meet you halfway or are just obviously corrupt, like is the case here.

      But you never know, some of the officials may just be really stupid and have not thought about the project beyond the immediate benefits, and haven’t thought about/don’t know about the downside.

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        There’s a real problem in the world, and especially in the US, where the moment someone is even moderately upset about something they immediately start pulling weapons.

        Honestly this isnt true we have ignored all the underlying systemic issues that put these people into pressure cookers ready to pop. Erosion of education left them unable to interpret the world beyond force fed propaganda pointing blame on those that would be allies instead of being targeted as enemies/shouldering the blame. We have never provided proper health care that could aid in reducing mental and physical trauma. We have ignored others needs for safe housing and secure food sources, which means people are stuck in fight or flight. Just to name a few common systemic issues. Sure you may see one specific moderate problem that in isolation shouldn’t create the reactions you see, but people today are like a superheated liquid just waiting for the smallest of disturbances to set them off.

        Most of these people have never even been met part way because the system ensures they have no means to come to the table and ensures they are constantly pitted against each other so no class conscience can form.

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      There are better answers. But the last 18 months have taught me that there is no way in hell the billionaire class will ever give up any of their wealth. Even when it in everyone’s best interest.

      If they won’t play nice, don’t expect the response to be nice either. Violence still isn’t necessary, but they should be afraid!

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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        Violence still isn’t necessary

        I disagree. Show me a time in history where a population is being oppressed, and then that stopped without violence.

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      Violence is the last resort, but that’s where the billionaire dickheads are taking us.

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      Remember that the j6 rioters got everything they thought they wanted, and they got a pardon.

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      the difference between violence as an act of aggression/dominance/establishing hierarchy, versus an equalizing force to regain autonomy/dismantle said hierarchy

    • Cherry@piefed.social
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      I always see it like a game of tug of way. With 2 sides. there needs to be tension. If there is no pull at one of the sides then the other side just pull all the rope. These situations need a level of tension.

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    The only government that works for the people is a government that is afraid of the people

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    I wonder how many government officials, local and state, have been paid off to ignore public input, know they aren’t getting reelected, but don’t care because they’ve gotten enough to retire.

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      In my county they changed tune on data centers 6 months before running for re-election and won re-election. People have short memories or never knew to begin with.

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      Violence can be an effective strategy.

      Let them cool data centers with the tears of the Martin Luther King Jr that white supremacists invented.

  • SnoringEarthworm@piefed.ca
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    Speak softly (peacefully protest) and carry a big stick (riot).

    Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.

    You need both.