Still reeling from a moment from a McCain rally where it more or less went:
Woman: “But Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim!”
McCain: “No ma’am, he’s an upstanding American. I don’t agree with his policies, but he’s a good man.”
The implication of course being that those are mutually exclusive things.
You could read it that way, you could also read the “no ma’am” as a rebuke, like “no, that’s uncalled for, we aren’t doing that here”
I was never a McCain fan and I personally think civility politics are stupid (I want to go back to having brawls in Congress), but I think this is a case of uncharitable interpretation
That’s an interesting take I hadn’t thought of. It’s a shame he didn’t elaborate so we can only speculate.
It’s not a mystery, McCain was big into civility. We can intuit his meaning here, instead of picking the words apart
I was nicely saying you were being an uncharitable reader/listener
Some people just can’t take an admission that they’re probably right without twisting the knife.
Here’s me nicely saying I don’t care what you have to say any more. Enjoy the block!
It isn’t about who’s right, it’s about learning. Once you decide you don’t need to, the rest of us will be better off with you dead
Your block means nothing to me. A heartfelt expression of an emotion, any emotion, might move me
Of all the hypocrisies, I think I’m most bothered by the fact that conservative strategy these days is nearly 100% identity politics
Did you expect them to sell themselves based on their identity and then to come at their competitor with arguments based on ideology? Of course they’re making this about identity.
To an identity hammer everything is an identity nail
Always has been
“I want affordable child care, school, infrastructure, and more walkable cities.”
“Communist.”
COMMUNIST MARXIST ANTIFA REEEEEE
~ Stephen Miller (probably)
He wouldn’t have said that without taking the opportunity to claim (lie) about how trump has brought down food and gas prices and has done more for America than any other president in history
I am from MI and still have alot of friends family, and aquentinces in MI. I can confirm the lonely, rural, BFE, swear he is a Muslim from Iran despite being a doctor from Dearborn, MI. They are terrified
Good. They should be. Their entire world view on socialism, caring for others, and brown people doing nice things is about to completely implode in real time. Everything they’ve been told, everything they’ve believed, everything they completely commit their every life to is about to change. They may have to gasp have some introspective on how they view the world outside of their bubble.
That must be fucking terrifying.
I read something somewhere… Sometime. The gist of it was that, to some people, their personal beliefs, they are so heavily vested in them, so completely inside a bubble, that anything that threatens that bubble evokes an emotional response akin to a fear of death, because in a sense, if they give up everything they ever believed in, they die. That self has to die to accept reality. And for some, for many, that deal is simply too tough to take, so they double down. Humans get set in their way, and sometimes with extreme stubbornness, and the older they get the worse it gets. At some point, you’ve invested so much of who you are into your whole life that is has become you. If anything threatens the cohesion of that maze of emotions and thoughts, they react with visceral fear, or aggression, to protect the integrity of their whole sense of self and personality.
Death of ego is a scary thing. Especially in a group, and one you depend on for your survival.
Shit, sorry if I’m rambling, there was an interesting thought in there, it’s a bit Freudian but it’s a thought I’ve mulled over for a long time.
Oh no, you summed up what I was trying to say far better than I did. I wasn’t entirely joking in my comment. I was 100% serious (albeit with sarcastic undertones). But it’s genuinely a real thing. People would rather die than change or believe anything outside of what they have known or been told to believe for so many years.
I could be more coherent but I appreciate your appreciation.
Admitting you were wrong is a bitter pill to swallow under the best of circumstances.
Imagine if your life depended on keeping the lie alive…
What Lie? When did I admit I was wrong?
Are you even replying to the right person?
I was continuing the conversation. MAGA can’t admit they were wrong, ever, because admitting you are wrong is very hard even in simple cases. We all know that, we all feel that. Apologizing is hard, and a true life skill.
But imagine if everyone around you is also MAGA, and all your best friends are MAGA, and your store clerk is MAGA, and your child’s teacher is MAGA, and all your church members are MAGA.
Then it becomes a matter of survival to stay MAGA, because imagine if you’re the odd one out. You might as well come out as baptist in a Calvinist enclave, you know. It’s a cult. You can’t be wrong, because if you are, your life might as well be over.
I hope it clears up my comment.
I’m more concerned about the current oligopoly of Christians in office.
they’re very good at pointing the fingers while pushing their religious agenda into law
Not a monopoly?
they tried that with mamdani, its not working anymore. people, that live in the real world know, that Muslims arent scary. Also its getting very old and overused.
Republicans straight to point. It wrong, but straight.
Except when their Grindr match notification sound goes off, then not so much
The match rarely goes off, mostly just hounding, even if you have a completely blank profile, some 60 year old dude will message you, like no even if I were desperate, I could literally just holler in a Walmart parking lot for a bit.
This meme illustrates both fundamental campaign strategies.
Progressive Democrats offer a platform, some specific policies they seek out to move forward.
Republicans stick to slogans, culture war issues and demonizing political opponents with thought-terminating clichés.
Jesus, the wealthy should count their lucky stars we only want to tax the motherfuckers.
Speak for yourself, a lot of us want the MoP.
I’ve tried, but I can’t figure out MoP. Not even with the help of the Internet.
Means of Production
Jesus how long have I been on Lemmy yet couldn’t figure that out. For shame me.
Starting with the economists, we are slowly coming to realize merely taxing billionaires isn’t enough to save all of civilization.
Especially since the ultra-wealthy are already aggressively pushing to dominate the world through political takeover, spending hundreds of millions to change outcomes of elections. They can afford to seize control of all governments this way.
And billionaires have already announced their vision for the future of humanity, to live in luxury, automating as much as possible. They intend to leave most of us to languish in reservations to starve, including their wealthy near-peers, keeping only essential workers in squalor and bonded servitude.
Some have even written manifestos to this effect. There are alresy projects for Ayn Rand style billionaire cities, a la Rapture or Opportunity, already in the works.
We need to not only strip billionaires of their billionaire status by redistributing their (ill-gotten) spoils, but then assure that billionaires cannot be made again.
Give it time.
And now on to our most important kitchen table issue: do you condemn Hasan?
…the streamer?
No, the bugs Bunny antagonist.
Hasan CHOP
Dude has become a zio loyalty test.
That’s kinda underselling it lol, he (and his massive audience) actively campaigns and phone banks for lots of leftist candidates. Fox News can’t stop talking about him, they’re terrified (and probably incredibly aroused) by him.
The worst part is it works on a not insignificant amount people who identify with both parties.
yeah, fear is a very easy emotion to manipulate. the third Reich knew this and every despot after and before.
Michigan has one of the largest Muslim population in the country so he has the best chance there
If it stands between whatever Trump is shitting out of his diaper mouth on a daily basis or convert to Islam I lean heavily towards the latter, if only it wasn’t for my raging alcoholism due to the former
So? He can’t fucking screw things up worse than you christians.
Islam has its flaws: it oppresses women, for example.
That’s patriarchy, not Islam. Inform yourself about christianity and you’ll find much the same. It’s just a different flavour of misogyny. In medieval times, arabic/islamic countries were the educated centers of culture and christian Europe was the barbaric part of the world. Now the scale looks tipped the other way. All the while, evangelical misogynists kill women by denying them life-saving treatments when they are suspected to be pregnant.
All religions are fucked up. If any of them was truly about belief, and not controlling people (and especially women’s bodies), there’d be zero need for an institutionalized belief system.
We’re talking about now.
And don’t use the “no true Scotsman” thing.yeah, right now Christians, especially in the USA, opress women. row v wade was overturned as one of veeeeery many examples, they’re hell bend on stripping rights and bodily autonomy from women. for most Christian idioligist in politics women are reduced to breeding machines, totally dehumanizing them. so, what’s the track record of Muslims in american politics? or are you just scared?
idioligist
ideologist*
And about your message:
Should the USA trade bad for worse?P.S. One of you, poor bastards, went to all my recent comments in other posts and downvoted them.
One could only aspire to this level of pettiness 😀
@[email protected] , was that you?no, wasn’t me, I have faaaaar better things to do. also, what would even be worse then a religious extremist group controlling multiple states and influencing the president to opress non believers? Muslims have the potential to do similar things, but Christians are right now doing it. which is worse do you think? maybe you are just scared of things you dont know
Muslims have the potential to do similar things
I think they fully revealed their potential in, for example, ISIS and Afghanistan.
You’re obviously miserable from your self-loathing. Go get some help. Being a racist shithead won’t fix your life.
self-loathing
What are you talking about?
Being a racist
And how am I a racist? Do you even know the meaning of that word?
I don’t see Mamdani talking about Allahs will every week. You see, it is not about religion, it is about educated people with good will. Now stop with this whataboutism
How is it whataboutism?
right, Christianity totally doesnt have these problems :D they not only also opress women, they also diddle little kids.
Do you think I would defend Christianity? I’m not a fan of it by far.
they also diddle little kids
In Islam the very prophet of it had a wife of 6 at marriage and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
you didn’t defend Christianity. but you’re still attacking a fundamental religious group which has nothing to do with the candidate. why would you do that, when it gives the impression of conflating Muslim believe and Islamism?
Because religion is a cancer.
Religious people tend to extend their restrictions to non-believers.and your solution is to restrict peopled believes? same thing bud.
To restrict religious beliefs.
I don’t see anything about Islam or women in El-Sayed’s platform though, so that’s irrelevant.
I was addressing the OC point.
Which is?
Look it up.
https://lemmy.world/comment/25433501Again, this only becomes relevant to policy if El-Sayed has said he plans to vote according to this or that Islamic ruling. To my knowledge he’s said no such thing.
I don’t think we can separate a politician from their beliefs and preferences. Even if said politician isn’t mentioning it in the agenda.
I can’t think of a religion that doesn’t.
there’s nothing in Islamic scripture that says “thou shalt oppress women”. there may be cultural oppression but that goes for many societies irrespective of their religion.
“no true Scotsman…”
there may be cultural oppression
Religion is a cultural phenomenon.
Nice changing the goalposts.
You said Islam oppresses women.
If your point is the cultural oppression of women why didn’t you open with that rather than rely on lazy stereotypes about Muslims?
My point is the same: Islam oppresses women.
It doesn’t though, some Muslims do. Just like some Christians do. You got mad when someone else used a No True Scotsman argument, but “Islam oppresses women” implicitly uses the exact same argument. “Islam oppresses women, therefore any “Muslim” that doesn’t, isn’t practicing real Islam.”
It doesn’t though, some Muslims do.
I think they got the idea from islam.
What do you think?
I live in a Muslim area and you dont know what you’re talking about.
Me: republicans are fascists.
There are no Republicans anymore, they’re all MAGAs now.
I’m a straight guy, but his promises are really turning me on.
