cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49392677

Twonks | Bluesky

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TW😶NKS

A comic in four panels:

Panel 1. White text on black

AI Design Logic

Panel 2. A guy sits in a restaurant at a table with a checkered table cloth. A waiter stands near, hands behind back waiting attentively.

Guy: Get me a cheese pizza

Panel 3. The waiter returns with a pizza in hand.

Panel 4. The guy gestures proudly at the pizza. The waiter looks less than amused.

Guy: Wow, look what I made!

  • RedMari@reddthat.com
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    3 days ago

    This is one of my pet peeves. Argued with people on discord about it. Shook that not everyone sees it this way.

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      3 days ago

      Not everyone sees it this way because it;s a fucking stupid take, but didn’t worry Lemmy has a massive anti-ai hard-on so your mindless groupthink is safe here

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        3 days ago

        Explain how it’s a stupid take? This comic is exactly what AI does. You tell it to do something, it sometimes kinda does. You didn’t create anything.

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          2 days ago

          Isn’t programming also just telling the computer what to do? It gets converted to machine language, and you didn’t write that yourself either.

          The only difference I see is that programming uses more complex wording so it requires skill and thus can’t be used by everyone.

          It is like promting AI in Klingon.

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          3 days ago

          If I use auto complete, did I write the message?

          If I use a hammer, did I build a piece of furniture?

          If I use computer software to design an antenna, did I design the antenna?

          If I ask AI to kill someone for me, did I kill them or does the AI go to jail?

          • BassTurd@lemmy.world
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            Those are all false equivalencies. All of those are tools to supplement a job. Using AI to vibe code an app is not a tool, it’s wait service, like the comic illustrates.

            If you auto generated an entire message, like prompting AI to write you an email, then no, you didn’t write a message. If you auto complete words that you intended to write, then you used tools to help write a message that you created.

            A hammer is a tool to build something. Vibe coding is like buying an IKEA piece of furniture and claiming you built it. You didn’t build anything, you assembled someone else’s build. If you had a magic hammer trained on other people’s work and you told it to build a chair, then no, you would not have built a chair.

            Computer software is again a tool to complete a job. If you do the engineering, design, and build the antenna, then that’s like programming, yes you designed an antenna. If you tell the software you want an antenna and it generates plans you didn’t design an antenna, you ordered plans for one.

            If you ask AI to kill someone, that’s like taking a hammer and killing someone. Yes, you used a tool to kill someone.

            It’s the complete generation of work and the claim that someone did it themselves that is what AI works are at their core. There is a small skill to prompting most effectively, but that’s not creating anything. It’s at most building an outline for something. Skilled developers can review code and make corrections, but they didn’t create anything.

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              If asking AI to kill someone is using a tool to kill someone, then I would have used a tool to build X - because that’s like using a hammer to build something (your words)

              That’s inconsistent logic

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                It’s more that ordering a crime is still illegal. If you tell a person to go and kill someone else you’re still liable. In the case of using an LLM, considering our governments are trying to keep these companies not liable for anything, even assisting children to kill themselves, you’ll likely be judged as a killer yourself anyway. But if the LLM company had some degree of responsibility, you’d still be held as ultimately responsible because the LLM presumably didn’t come up with the crime, you did.

                To reiterate what the other person was saying, if you print your own 3D model you can say you created the thing in addition to printing it. If you just download a model, regardless of license, and do no modifications, you just printed someone else’s creation.

                When you get an LLM to generate code for you, you can abbreviate that as “I generated this”, which will be understood as using gen AI, saying you created it is misleading as we understand that as meaning you coded it yourself. Even technical leads shouldn’t go around claiming everyone’s work, their credit extends to their designs, direct contributions, leadership, mentoring, etc, they’re not the sole creators of whatever project they lead.

                Working exclusively with generated code would make you closer to a maintainer from a library you didn’t write, you can put in the effort to understand what’s going on and maybe even be confident enough that it’s good for what it is, but that doesn’t make you the creator, the same way reviewing a PR from a colleague doesn’t make you the author of their code.

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        I would agree with you, but you took such a shitty way to formulate that, that you probably won’t get anyone at your side

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    I feel like it’s more like a pizza fatory giving pizza to people, intead of a cooker or server, while wasting the resources of the world to generate large amounts of it and trying take the job of people that previously worked in this sector. What were we talking about again?

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    2 days ago

    More like, rejecting the cheese pizza by saying “oh I asked for blue cheese pizza” or something and doing this until they prepare the perfect (looking) pizza.

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    We used to make this joke with my mom when she picked up pizza. Now she does it unironically “look what I made with ai!”. It’s a little disappointing honestly

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      yeah, that feels like mine too. “I’m creating my desktop wallpaper using digital tools (krita)!” – “why don’t you ask ai to make it for you?”

      also the same with YT content. Doesn’t care if it’s ai slop or not.

      I’d agree it’s truly dissapointing.

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    You are PizzaBot, an innovative and helpful assistant designed to create world class pizza experiences

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    The waiter went next door to Dominoes and got the pizza for half what he charged the guy at his restaurant.

    And it was 2 day old pizza with a layer of olive oil on the whole thing to make it shiny.

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      Since this is an AI metaphor, the restaurant didn’t hire a cook. They just found a cook with an easily accessible oven and stole a pizza from it.

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        They went around stealing thousands of pizzas and now they give out something that resembles a pizza assembling it from imitations of chunks from the stolen pizzas

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      AI really is not an individual and therefore cannot really take blame. We should probably blame the owners and system that allowed it to do that, maybe some more other factors depending on the situation.