Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry earlier this week supported a resolution that would repeal the 17th Amendment and strip American voters of their right to elect U.S. Senators.
The joint resolution, introduced by Texas Congressman Keith Self, aims to “restore the Founders’ original vision for the United States” and return the selection of senators to state legislatures.
“Our Founding Fathers designed the Senate to protect state sovereignty and act as a check on federal overreach. If senators are supposed to represent their states, then the states should choose them. Repealing the 17th Amendment will restore that constitutional balance and make the Senate more accountable to the people of Texas and every other state in the union,” Self said.
How about, instead, we strip senators from congress and expand the housenof representatives to proportionally relfect the population.
it cant be repealed, it must be a new amendment to nullify the 17th. like the 18th, prohibition, was nullified by the 21st.
that will require:
- 2/3 congress (both houses) must agree, (thats 288 representatives, and 67 senators)
- then, 3/4 of the states need to agree (thats 38)
this is all political theater
Isn’t there another one about being a citizen if you are born here? How’s that one holding up?
Its Overton window work. Just like the roe v wade overturning, they are talking about the impossible now so they can you their base get used to the idea and in the long run make real pushes for it. The Rs have always been transparent if you listen to them. Horribly self centered that they are.
it cant be repealed
I mean, we’ll see what the SCOTUS has to say
I can see the headlines already: “Roberts Court declares the Constitution unconstitutional”
They’ve already done that with the 14th amendment.
Edited for crash out: I am Australian. I have never been to the US and never intend to go there. I should not know this much about your fucking politics. I know all of your supreme court justices’ names while I couldn’t name a single one from our High Court. I suppose it’s my own fault for engaging with US political news so much, but on the other hand I do need to stay informed about what’s happening there because your fascist regime is interfering in my country’s politics as well.
and the militia bit in the second amendment has now come to mean individual, explicitly argued by the originalists, which is wild
your fascist regime is interfering in my country’s politics as well.
We absolutely are. But modern Australia was built as a colonial project. Both the US and Australia are an extension of that centuries old Anglo project to extract the wealth of the world.
It’s all one global fascist project, and the Australian oligarchs are more than happy to play along
It’s all one global fascist project, and the Australian oligarchs are more than happy to play along
Gina Rinehart, Australia’s richest person and
ownerhuge donor and policy “consultant” to our rapidly-rising far right party One Nation, visited Mar-a-Lago last year and since then ON has risen rapidly in the polls and bots shilling the party have flooded social media. So yes, the oligarchs all over the world are part of the same fascist project.yeah, we learn from you learn from they learn from us learn from it’s all one big incestuous circle of evil.
gotta look close to home, at your neighbors to find the good. i just found out one of mine has a Mystery Machine! Like from Scooby Doo! In take-it-to-a-show condition (because that is where i saw it). he didn’t realize i recognized him from my local farmer’s market because he was in Show Mode. it was cool.
It’s probably spamming your feed too. I tried getting away from this country early on last year, but even when I was abroad I couldn’t get away from this country’s news…
the insanely partisan right wing supreme court wont save us.
Yes… But who’s it theater for? I don’t think it’s for his base, so then it’s a form of terrorism to make people comply. Start talking to the working class peers you have. Make the concept of organized resistance one that people are comfortable with.
Except enough Democrats might vote for it too. Their fighting against this cant be assumed. Somehow theres always just enough Dem votes for the republicans to get their way on key votes. Need 4? heres 5 Dem voters. Need 20? heres 22 Dem voters.
It happens all the time.I know you mean to say it can’t be repealed by an Act of Congress, but the word “repeal” also applies to constitutional amendments. This is what the text of Amendment 21 said:
Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Not “nullified”. Repealed.
They aren’t even hiding the fascism anymore
Waking from a long nap?
Heh yeah. They haven’t been hiding it for a long while.
The problem for Republicans is that senate races can’t be gerrymandered. Sounds like this provision would solve that problem for them. You can just smell the desperation and fear.
uhhhh… dont the people of those states elect their own local senator? how the fuck does that equal federal overreach??
overreach by representation? are they saying the problem in the united states is that we are over-represented?
ohh right… the fascism isnt even whispered anymore
That’s the slip. It reveals who he thinks the state is: the legislation, not the republic.
No that’s the design fault in a republic. You can’t condense the political opinions of hundred of thousands of people into 4-5 individuals that can be readily identified and easily swayed. You end up getting a binary decision that’s supposed to represent an analog spectrum but that’s fucking impossible. Just like Plato’s allegory and just like mp3 bitrate All you can do is approach the original quality of true democracy. It cannot be represented with 100% accuracy through binary interpolation. That’s what bit rate is The higher the bit rate the more samples you get.
The current vote rate for voters in America is like fucking . 00005 kv at best once you get to the state level. That means that it will take 50,000 actual dedicated voters who make their opinion heard and show up to vote in a pack to have any real impact on a house election. And that’s just a house seat. At the same time through ads, social media, public deceit campaigns, etc you can buy 1kv for probably 100-200k depending on the area and the amount of deceit that you need to perform.
And ultimately if you buy a representative enough they’ll do what you want regardless of what their constituents want. Which is how and why republics fail. When you dilute true sentiment with luxury and profit for the few, we all become doomed
Read Democracy In Chains.
Repealing the 17th Amendment will … make the Senate more accountable to the people of Texas
You think not letting people vote will make senators more accountable?
What kind of nonsense is this?
Facist logic
It will make them accountable to the right kind of people of Texas. The polls are telling the Republicans that the wrong kind of people are getting too much sway.
It cracks me up that the cons have been able to paint liberals as being “elitist” based on aspiring to be better educated (see Santorum squealing that wanting everyone to have access to a college education is “elitist” for example).
Meanwhile, they openly do nakedly extremely elitist things like this.
Not to mention being positively giddy in their support for a billionaire like Donvict. It doesn’t get much more elitist than that. SMH, the cons seem to delight in perverting the English language.
- Uneducated republicans don’t fundamentally understand civics, and think it’s a good idea because it empowers the Republican Party.
- Educated republicans think this is a good idea because it empowers the Republican Party.
Well, if we’re going to be thinking about the original vision, we’d better uncap the house as well. Having a couple thousand representatives in the house, each representing a much smaller group of voters, would certainly make the country run much more as intended.
If he wants to amend the constitution, there’s a process for that. It would probably take two years, minimum. I wish him luck.
I don’t.
@[email protected] didn’t specify good luck.
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the odds of a repeal of the 17th being ratified is exactly ZERO. maga nuts would have to fuck with so much at the state level in so many states, it’s just not gonna happen. and that’s on top of the fuckery needed over several election cycles to scam, cheat, and steal their way to super-majorities in congress to even get it sent to the states.
Interesting that all the cosponsors are Republicans. The midterms have them quaking in their boots.
This one is a distraction. It’s intended to distract from the methods they’re really counting on.
Another win for accelerationism. Man who thought the republicans would speedrun the destruction of the republic like they have. I thought it’d take more than just a few years.
Honestly I’ve been wondering how long we’d last since the '00s.
Everyone who took project2025 seriously knew they would.
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ELI5 does this even matter? The state legislators are elected by the people, why does it matter if those reps are electing the federal senators or the the people directly? Its not like you’re going to get a bunch of lords nominated arbitrarily by the
KingPresident?State legislatures can be highly gerrymandered, and it would also eliminate primaries for the senate candidates which which means senators would functionally become whoever the party leadership wants per state.
Thanks! Given the system the US uses for party primaries and the current climate of public manipulation through captured mainstream and social media, aren’t those things already problems? Would it be any worse than it already is?
Yes. And yes.
