Mormon leaders, military veterans and elected officials reacted with anger to a new Department of Defense policy that does not consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a Christian religion as part of a wider effort to cut down the U.S. military’s list of recognized faiths.

“The Pentagon’s decision to list The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints apart from other Christian faiths is wrong and needs to be corrected,” Republican Rep. Mike Kennedy, of heavily Mormon Utah, wrote on X on Sunday.

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    Guess what, self-described "good Christian"s of America, you’re going to get kicked out of the in-group as soon as it’s convenient for the MAGA Republican party.

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    Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith? Do you realize how many people with positions near nuclear sites, NSA datacenters, and CIA operations these bumblefucks are aggravating?

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      Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith?

      I didn’t know that about LDS folks. Being a founding document of their faith, they must really be in support of the Constitution and would oppose all who would desecrate the document and its principles of law and liberty.

      “According to Fox News’ 2024 election exit poll, among the Latter-day Saints surveyed 64% supported Trump and 32% supported Vice President Kamala Harris.” source

      …oh, nevermind.

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          For several years, ending ~2005, the guy in charge of security clearances was literally rubber stamping them. Literally anyone who got the paperwork on his desk got one.

          Every journalist should be trying at all times.

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      This is because most Mormons go on missions to other countries and know a second language from doing so. Its an asset to the government to have traveled people who speak multiple languages after all especially those from a religious background who fall in line easily and are usually conservative.

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        Yep, and they don’t tend to be addicted to any substances or gambling. There are many reasons. The point being that, for one reason or another, many of the intelligence services and highest-clearance positions are filled with Mormons, and the government just told them that they aren’t part of the club anymore.

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    I am sure that after some suitable donations to dear leader Trump, this obvious erroneous matter will be sorted.

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      They have more than enough money. Actually I wonder which church is the wealthiest. My money is on either Scientology or Mormonism.

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        I’d guess the catholic church has significantly more wealth than either of those.

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            I dunno, this list shows multiple organizations that fall under the Catholic church with wealth in the 10s to 100s of billions.

            If you’re talking monetary/liquid wealth then it is probably the Mormons, but the catholic church is much larger and older. They have been amassing wealth for a very long time. Though, functionally it is irrelevant. They both have the ability to wield massive political influence.

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              The Vatican claims to have more gold in its vaults than has ever officially been mined out of the earth, and considering how much they stole from the Aztecs, it’s possible they aren’t even lying.

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          it’s not just all the gold, jewels, real estate and all the holy relics. the Catholic church also owns tonnes of priceless art. True masterworks that would fetch hundreds of millions at auction. the Mormons dont even know where they misplaced the golden tablets that joseph smith received from God.

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              yeah they have a massive collection of “priceless art amd artifacts”, if they were to sell everything they would net 100s of billions. some artworks alone would fetch over 100 million.

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            I already linked that list. And according to it just the catholic church of Germany may be as nearly wealthy as the entire Mormon church.

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      yeah we’re like three quarters of the way through that Niemöller poem now

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      I mean they literally aren’t, it’s like saying Muslims are Christian because they view Jesus as a prophet along with Muhammed.

      They made up their own fan fiction for Christianity. Someone needs to let them know their fanfic isn’t canon.

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            i vaguely remember him. played outfield for the giants and astros, right?

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              No, no…he’s the one who came back and kept a low profile as a record sales clerk, only to be eventually recognized then subsequently whisked up in his sudden stardom.

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          Christians arguing about definitions and who should have the power to impose their pet view 🍿

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          Nope. I mean the name is there, but this is so easily traced to the grift that one has to really do some mental gymnastics to say it’s even a religion much less a Christian one.

          How often did Jesus teach about how dark skin was a curse from God?

          The bible was a building block to the grift of Smith, that is all.

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              No I am not twisting definitions. I am saying it’s easy to see that this one has nothing to do with the religious premise it jumped on and everything to do with grift.

              They might all be grifts, but this one is explicitly easy to see that they just jumped someone else’s train. And therefore it is nothing to do with the other various sects.

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            How often did Jesus teach about how dark skin was a curse from God?

            Way more often than mainstream Christianity wants to admit. It’s literally the root of white supremacy…but that’s not a popular subject among the modern Christians.

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                Start here and scroll down to the Christianity subtitle. It starts with the curse of Cain. I was taught this growing up, and it’s the basis of white Christians sidelining brown and black people within the church. Also, remembering that Christianity is a white religion that was pushed on slaves in America…and then sidelined outside of it by the same damn people!

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                  The scripture itself does not in any way imply that the mark of Cain was dark skin and your link doesn’t argue otherwise.

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        I’m ex-mormon. They firmly consider themselves christian. They believe in Christ as a savior who died for our sins, etc etc, where a lot of sects considered non-christian see him as a prophet, not a savior/divine entity. There are a lot of arguments about the trinity and if considering christ a separate being still counts, but in the simplest sense, they kinda are christian. The bar shifts depending on who you ask though.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity The section on the trinity is an interesting read.

        Though I should make it clear, I don’t believe in any god. It’s all wishful thinking to me.

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          Personally, I think the whole heavenly father and heavenly mother being Mormons from a different planet as well as the lack of belief in the Trinity thing makes mormonism fundamentally different then “old and new testament only” Christianity.

          But on the other hand, they can call themselves what ever they want, it doesn’t make their cult correct or their god real.

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        Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity doctrine.

        Neither do Unitarians.

        Both got cut by Evangelical Pete.

        He almost certainly holds them to be heretics.

        Its probably not all the extra fan fiction… its probably the heresy… vast majority of self identified Christians in the world belong to some kind of a Church or Sect or Denomination that holds to the Trinity.

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        How is believing jesus christ is the only son of god and dying for mans sins not Christian? I have never understood the ignorance behind LDS not being Christian. Literally every version of Christianity has it’s own fanfic bullshit built in, that’s why there’re hundreds of denominations and not one

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        They made up their own fan fiction for Christianity. Someone needs to let them know their fanfic isn’t canon.

        Not defending Mormonism here, but is Christianity not just Judaism fanfic? And is Judaism not a fanfic of earlier religions?

        No point in talking about “canon” regarding religion, it’s just stories

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          LSD was derived by Albert Hoffmann and has nothing to do with an imaginary sky daddy,

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            Like every religion. How is LDS somehow worse than your regular “satan told me” or “I am going to heaven” christian nonsense? It’s a completely arbitrary distinction. If those folks consider themselves christians, or followers of Christ, who is entitled to deny their identity as such?

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              Like every religion. How is LDS somehow worse than your regular “satan told me” or “I am going to heaven” christian nonsense?

              It’s not, they are all equally ridiculous, some more so.

              It’s a completely arbitrary distinction.

              Sure

              If those folks consider themselves christians, or followers of Christ, who is entitled to deny their identity as such?

              Literally everyone else on the planet has that right. You could even say it is a God given right if you wish.

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              Huh… No. Literally no.

              They took an already silly thing, which at least had the benefit of being so far removed in time it leaves space for doubt about what it claims, and then piled a bunch of complete utter nonsense on top of it.

              And worse of all, utter nonsense created by a con artist who couldn’t even keep his own story straight, like when the original “translation” of the text only he could translate (lol) was hidden from him, he just made up a completely different one because of course he did, he was a con artist.

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        isn’t each abrahamic religion just a sequel to the previous one that’s been written by new authors?

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          Like I can accept that the bible is kind of a mess due to it being written so long ago that historical record of the whole thing is fractured, but generally, it’s accepted that a figure named Jesus probably did exist, even if he wasn’t really the son of God. Through all the translations and lost languages and lost history, mainline Christianity has a pretty good excuse that even if the stories aren’t actually true, they’re rooted in social folktales that were generally accepted as true in early Christian theology, in a time period that was much much much much more superstitious than the modern era.

          Whereas, come the fuck on, Jesus visiting America is made up whole cloth in a semi-modern era by a guy who should have known the fuck better. That’s not a social folktale, that’s just one single motherfucker making shit up on his own and calling it good.

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            lol, I see. you’re willing to entertain the whole zombie jesus story but the book of mormon is ridiculous and impossible.

            honestly who even cares? I’m sure this will get corrected by hegseth because the lds have been loyal and obedient to trump and the republicans in power are only pretending to be christians.

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              I’m not willing to entertain the zombie jesus story, I just recognize that one has actual history behind it and that early human civilization history helps explain it and that nothing explains this dumbfuck just making shit up.

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    I wish Mormons would be outraged over something that mattered, like the sexual abuse in their church, or the fact their church supporting mormon thieves and scammers across the country, who have stolen over a billion dollars from their fellow Americans.

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    Mormons should use their wealth and connections to sue the DOD into reversing Hegseth’s policies, and do so alongside other injured parties.

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        Which is, quite frankly, an argument that holds some weight if you’re concerned about splitting hairs regarding religious purity (and it’s an argument that’s been going on for a very long time). I won’t be surprised if we wind up with a schism and official American Christian Church out of all this.