The cannabis seized from Omar is sufficient to feed the addiction of about 144 abusers for a week.
What the hell is up with this bizarre line in the article? “Addiction”? “Abusers”? Is the the article writer fucking serious with this Reefer Madness shit? What a god damn clown.
Those hopeless addicts are consuming a bit over 3 grams of weed per week. Definite threat to society there.
And of course the guy being executed is not from the Chinese elite, he’s a Singaporean Malay.
No, 1009.1g divided by 144 potheads is 7g. So the article assumes they are smoking a gram a day each. There should be protests about this, and I think the author of this article should be fired, it’s so insensitive.
It’s an Asian outlet. They never really had much sympathy for them.
As someone who has smoked weed for nearly 10 years now, it is addictive and can be abused.
“addiction” used to mean physical withdrawals… now it means weed, television, working out, phones, sex, and more.
Weed withdrawal is milder than caffeine withdrawal for most people.
With 10 being death from withdrawal (like from alcohol), on a scale of 1 to 10 cannabis is a 1.
Yeah, when I had a heroin addiction it kind of used to piss me off when people would talk about addictions to porn and stuff. I’d think they had no idea what addiction really meant. Try going cold turkey from smack. But TBF even though maybe the word addiction doesn’t apply in the same way, it’s certainly true that any compulsive behaviour that’s detrimental to your life is a problem that needs help.
Anytime someone compares those two, you can just point out that people aren’t dependent on porn or gaming. That their bodies won’t shock themselves to death if they go cold turkey.
The keyword being dependency. People use those interchangeably, but they’re two medically distinct things and you usually have both to a drug, but not necessarily. You can be addicted and not dependent or dependent without addiction. The first one would be someone who still wants to use and dreams about it despite having had no substance for years, and the second one is for instance a long term pain patient who didn’t even know what medication they were on but start shivering and getting nauseous as they forget to take their meds, despite them not having any psychological need to take them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence
It’s somewhat okay to use them interchangeably but it would be super rude to talk about how addicted to one’s phone one is while someone is talking about having gone through actual substance use disorder, addiction, dependency and all.
Good job on pulling through man!
Nice to see you left it behind, congrats.
addiction" used to mean physical withdrawals
No it didn’t. That’s dependency. They’re two medically distinct things. Addiction is a brain disorder, dependency isn’t.
If stupid people didn’t exist and the world wasn’t as unjust as it is, I wouldn’t get any withdrawal from quitting weed. As it is, I get quite irate, but I think that’s just my default setting nowadays, not a withdrawal symptom.
Yeah, it did, and does.
I’m speaking of common vernacular, not in medical terms. The common vernacular has changed over the years (as it always does).
Things without (and with) dependency are called addictions often, even “habits”. I see it constantly in social media. The term “addiction” used to be much more limited.
If you don’t believe me, feel free to consult a dictionary.
Medical terms are a different matter. Like the word “retarded”, a word can mean one thing medically, and quite another in common parlance.
Your correction has been corrected.
Your correction has been corrected.
Lol no. You’re just angry I corrected you. “Nuh-uh, I’m actually right, also go and do your own research.”
I have. I’ve also been using the terms for like 30 years in several languages.
Addiction is a brain disorder. Even in common vernacular. Dependence is different. Usually with SUD they overlap, but for instance cannabis doesn’t cause dependency (because there’s really no physical withdrawal) which is why you hear a lot of addicted teenager weeders saying “weed isn’t addictive, man”, because they don’t understand the difference between those two words.
Just because they are using a word prescriptively wrong because they don’t understand what it means doesn’t make it wrong for them to use in that context, descriptively. And no, not everyone who knows the difference of “addiction” and “dependence” is speaking in ‘a medical context’. They’re really not that challenging as concepts.
Feel free to consult a dictionary for what “prescriptive” and “descriptive” mean. ;> Perhaps you should also check what “vernacular” means?
This is what we all told eachother in school yeah, its not that simple though. There are habitual users with mental issues stemming from its use.
Regardless… that’s enough to be considered trafficking pretty much everywhere… and he did it in Singapore?! Nice Darwin Award.
A single kilo?
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland, and if you had exactly 1kg you wouldn’t get sentenced for a severe/serious/aggravated (“felony” as the Americans would say) drug crime.
Having to go to prison for an amount like this wouldn’t even happen in Finland. Our justice system sucks in lots of places, yeah, and the attitudes towards drugs are verifiably archaic, especially on a social level, but you wouldn’t have to actually go to prison unless you managed to get caught with a kilo at least once a year for a few years in a row, and the chances are that they still wouldn’t put you in as a non-violent offender.
Drugs are everywhere. The severity of the laws only affects the price and quality, not availability. (Case in point, there’s a booming drug industry inside prisons, everywhere.)
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland,
The article’s about Singapore.
Laws vary widely by country and a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll). Most countries are in the grams.The article’s about Singapore.
Yes, I know. I can read the title just as I can read your comment saying “pretty much anywhere” and afterwards incredulously pointing out Singapore. Meaning your “anywhere” means actually anywhere, and not just “anywhere in Singapore.” Last I checked “anywhere” did indeed contain Finland as well.
nd a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll)
No I’m a person who’s been growing weed for the past 20 years. I once had three large tents, hundreds of grams and more than two dozen plants taken from me. They didn’t even try accusing me of a “felony”, but the basic non-aggravated version of the crime. The production capability I had was about 400-500g/m2 and I had 2.49m2 of growing room plus my balcony. Kilo is a medium amount. It’s not a small amount, no, but it’s by no means a huge amount. It’s one good harvest, grown in a couple of tents (or one really large one but I’ve never liked >1.2m tents) in an apartment building.
Are you aware of the distinction of de jure and de facto?
Because de jure we have quite draconian drug laws, but de facto you never go to prison for drugs unless you’re dealing “harder” stuff and there’s also violence/properly organised crime (which we don’t have a lot of in the first place.)
For instance de jure I have all sorts of rights as a person. But de facto, I was literally tortured by the cops in a jail when they took my plants away. And they didn’t even have a reason to put me in jail in the first place. None of my friends who’ve been caught growing have been taken to jail and the other time I got caught I didn’t either.
Yet the cops kept me in an isolation cell with the lights constantly on while denying me my prescription medication while I went psychotic over three days and drew on the walls with my blood. And that mattress and blanket weren’t there, they took them away and only put them back for the photo.
My point being ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS, even if some laws in other places are harsher than some.
But you said a kilo is “traffficking” almost anywhere. That’s just not true. Especially in a lot of places you actually have to prove the trafficking or intent to traffic. For instance the cops asked me about my small plastic baggies, told them they’re for freezing food. He laughed, obviously. They missed my scale, despite the fact it was literally right on the table next to my keyboard. But… if you look at the colour scheme it’s not entirely unreasonable they missed it.
(and yes I need to clean ik)But to add to that, they also missed a massive glass jar sitting on my kitchen table with almost a hecto of bud in it. Which was a nice surprise once I got home.
I ended up influencing Finnish law since the cops prevented me from filming them and I got that part on video (them taking my phone away saying “youre not allowed to film the police when they work”) and it went all the way to the supremely court.
Anyways, I ramble, I’m aware. I’m not sorry about it though it’s all related I just know most people can’t handle lots of language and prefer shorter comments.
Riiiiight… Claude was it? You pro’lly should get high on your own supply then. Bye.
You’ve had enough Jagermeister, I’m cutting you off. Adios.
Jesus, before the last couple of years it used to be “get a therapist” now it’s all “lol you use LLM’s” to write your comments. Sure I do buddy. Because… … Why exactly? Genuinely? I see about the same amount of reason as using hacks in gaming (only LLM’s would make any non-developmentally challenged persons comments shittier, not better). You wouldn’t be able to repeat the performance in real life so you’d never impress anyone so why would you bother?
Do you want photos of my grows? Can’t really be arsed to go on PC to retrieve older ones but let’s see
Oh and the supreme court thing
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
Ofc I get high on my own supply. That’s why I grow it, dumbo. Can I please have some more platitudes as bad jokes?
Singapore loves to pretend it’s a modern country with it’s gardens and fancy buildings.
But beneath the surface is an overworked population ruled by a family dictatorship.
Disneyland with the death penalty. - William Gibson
Well… there’s a Disneyland in California, USA… which does have the death penalty.
It’s china with a better passport. There is no freedom of press there.
family dictatorship.
It’s effectively a single party state with an elected dictator, but AFAIK their prime ministers and presidents don’t come all from the same family.
You’re right it’s not a dictatorship like North Korea, but it’s elections are also not as clean and fair as other modern democracies.
The same ruling party has dominated since independence, and maintained structural imbalance suppressing the ability for any meaningful opposition to rise.
While leadership in Singapore isn’t hereditary, the nation has been guided by a very small political elite originating from Lee Kuan Yew.
The dictatorship is how you get the gardens and fancy buildings.
No, that’s from science and engineers and public works. Fascists just like to co-opt that because it LOOKS socialist and try to use that to trick people.
Giant bronze statues of themselves, castles, starvation, fear, poor decisions, and heavy militarization is what dictatorships ACTUALLY get you.
No, that’s from science and engineers and public works.
We have scientists, engineers, and city planners too in America, despite what anyone says. But we don’t have the draconian enforcement that these places have.
William Gibson (author of Neuromancer among other things, not all of them good) published an article about Singapore 30 years ago. It’s titled Disneyland with the Death Penalty.
33 years later and much of this is still very relevant. It has dated somewhat, but accurately reflects what I experienced in Singapore during work travel over the past few years.
At the least, if you’re interested in what dystopian science fiction writers think about Singapore it certainly dropped some puzzles pieces into place for me.
Disneyland with the Death Penalty
I’ve also heard it referred to as China Lite.
Long ago, I dated a Singaporean woman, closely connected to the ruling elite, educated at British public schools and a top-tier university. According to her, along with the relentless propaganda claiming Singapore is a meritocracy, there is also a deep underlying culture of corruption. It’s bad for your health and future income to compete in business against ruling-family-connected ventures. When bidding on major contracts, you’ll need insiders or their proxies to be partners or you’ll be frozen out. There’s nothing as vulgar as open bribery happening, but self-dealing, conflicts of interest and biased courts deliver the same outcomes. And whatever you do, don’t be a prominent member of an opposition party if you value your livelihood and freedom.
And if you’re a Singaporean Malay, know your place or you’ll end up in deep trouble. There are a few tokenism opportunities if you don’t rock the boat.
I’ve been there on business a few times. At least it seems they’re not persecuting gay people as much anymore, and civil society is a bit more open than it was a couple of decades ago. They even seem slightly less obsessed with caning and massive fines for minor offences than they used to be. But “less stifling” is far from the same as “free.”
Fuck that sounds weird and uncomfortable of a place. I need some sketch to feel comfortable.
I need some scotch to feel comfortable.
I need some scratch to feel comfortable.
Crotch.
Disneyland with the Death Penalty.
Actually it is pretty fitting since their judicial system is medieval. They still do caning for example.
Singapore makes it extremely clear this is the punishment for smuggling any drugs.
This is what the paper disimberkment form used to look like before they switched to an electronic version. I think the electronic version says something similar.
That’s really fucked up.
It probably is fucked up. But if you know the consequences of getting caught, why would you risk it? If freedom to do drugs is important either be in a jurisdiction that is lenient.
I mean you can try to change the laws and try to protest and get political change, but that wouldn’t leave you much off in Singapore’s authoritarian air.
So the question is, was the hit of recreational drug that important to take the risk?
I’m not saying what or what shouldn’t be, I’m just saying knowing you know what IS, why would you? It’s like you know lava is hot, but you step in it anyway because it should be a morally a volcanic rock.
The guy was an idiot. Doesn’t change the fact that Singaporean authoritarianism is fucked up. Being an idiot shouldn’t be a death sentence.
We know innocent people are found guilty every day, all over the world.
Only an idiot would cheer on a murderous state, it’s a shame.
Being an idiot shouldn’t be a death sentence.
Sometimes I wish it were. But then I’ll do something idiotic and have second thoughts.
Death sentence for being an idiot is exactly what the US needs right now
More than half the population would be executed.
Now now, don’t threaten us with a good time!
was the hit of recreational drug that important to take the risk
He didn’t get executed for taking a “hit”.
He got executed for trafficking a kilo.
Which is still pretty stupid, because 500 grams is the cutoff for the death penalty. He would have been better off to bring in 499 grams. But I assume he was going to make a pretty good profit, and that money was his main motivation.
How do you know the “guilty” was even aware that they were smuggling?
Figure it out.
Why are you defending a murderous state?
Right, clearly so was the risk of a quick buck worth his life? Should be the question.
Got him a Darwin Award at least.
It probably is fucked up. But if you know the consequences of getting caught, why would you risk it? If freedom to do drugs is important either be in a jurisdiction that is lenient.
Put on your thinking cap for just a few minutes, and imagine that you are a drug supplier and you want a piece of the Singapore market (as it’s very lucrative).
Would you…
a) Nervously smuggle it yourself and possibly be caught and murdered
or…
b) Pay some desperately poor dummy to deliver it for you, unawares?
These are the people that Singapore is murdering. The desperately poor dummies.
They also make sure to repeat that on any flights landing there.
Once you’re on the plane, you’re already committed.
If they declare them before disembarking, they will likely avoid capital punishment. Still will result in a heavy sentencing, though.
Death to Allegra Geller!
Guess what? If you put up 50 signs saying “Trespassers will be shot!!!” all over your property, and some kid trespasses to get his crashed drone and you fill them full of bullets, you’re still a murderer.
Singapore is murdering people, and it’s revolting. Concentration camps were legal… but we still call it murder today, now don’t we?
Singapore is just as guilty
No matter how you spin it thats barbaric
Singapore is notorious for having extreme penalties for relatively minor crimes
“Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?!”
Sound of firing squad loading rifles
“This is democracy manifest!”
firing squad fires
And that’s why I’ll never move to Singapore.
Because you cant avoid repercussions of easily avoidable actions?
That’s an appropriate username.
Yep, thats the typical response when people are backed into a corner and cant make a valid retort.
LOL you didnt realize that wasnt comment OP. Username still fits.
And another one attacking the person cause they cant say anything against the message.
No, because I require prescriptions that would earn me a death sentence there.
You might want to get a better doctor. Cannabis has been found to be ineffective for most of the conditions it’s prescribed for. The very few that it has shown effectiveness for have better treatment options available. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/evidence-lacking-medical-cannabis-most-conditions
Ain’t cannabis, which is exactly my point since the classification of “narcotic” is too arbitrary to justify the sentence of death, but thanks for the pop medsci slop.
As far as I know, all other narcotics prescribed in the US are allowed in Singapore with an HSA approval, which is exactly my point.
I’m not in the US, and I know for an absolute fact that mine isnt. Even if that were all true, guess what, that permit would not qualify me to move there with my medication as it is not permanent. Even if that wasn’t the fucking case, then I would still not want to risk a lapse in renewing my permit or filing it improperly and losing access to my medication or worse.
You do not know enough about this topic to be so dedicated to pushing misinformation. Fuckin internet dudes die on hills they don’t even care about enough to look up shit, why?
Take a chill pill. I did look up the HSA application for medicines. Cannabis and chewing gums were specifically banned, but nothing else was called out.
Cannabis has been found to be ineffective for most of the conditions it’s prescribed for.
No, it hasn’t.
Cannabis has been proven to be a very effective treatment for nausea and seizures and more (as your source clearly indicates immediately).
Reading is hard ¯\(ツ)/¯
Also, studies were quite impossible until recently (with the relaxation of The Drug War). We’re still learning about the efficacy.
Regardless, cannabis has been an effective treatment for many medical issues for centuries for a reason, as we are still discovering, as your source clearly indicates.
Cannabis has been found to be ineffective for most of the conditions it’s prescribed for.
No, it hasn’t.
From the very beginning of the linked article: “Medical cannabis lacks adequate scientific backing for most of the conditions it is commonly used to treat”
Reading is hard, as you say.
Cannabis has been proven to be a very effective treatment for nausea and seizures
Not “very” and not for “nausea and seizures” in general. It has shown effectiveness specifically for “chemotherapy-induced nausea” and “certain severe pediatric seizure disorders such as Dravet syndrome and Lennox-Gastaut syndrome” according to the very article that you claim to have read. For more, Dr. Chung explains
“Recently, cannabidiol (CBD) is the one that showed efficacy, but people tend to extend that into any other epilepsy… It is confined, as evidence suggests, to those 2 syndromes, but not other types of epilepsy.”
The standard of care treatment for chemotherapy induced nausea is antiemetics. More recently, Dravet Syndrome can be treated with Zorevunerson with over 90% efficacy. This is without the risk of cannabis associated psychotic symptoms. I have personally witnessed a smart kid at a top university succumb to debilitating marijuana induced schizophrenia and get banned from campus as a safety risk. That is not a side effect that patients should accept.
Regardless, cannabis has been an effective treatment for many medical issues for centuries for a reason,
Mercury was a mainstay in medicine for treating syphilis, constipation, and infections (using calomel) from the 16th to 20th centuries, often causing severe toxicity. Medical science is a relatively new concept. Doctors didn’t start sterilizing their instruments until the late 19th century.
Very smug, how many innocent deaths are you comfortable with?
Cops are found planting evidence all around the world… the judged are proven innocent with DNA every day.
… and even if everything above wasn’t the case, even IF every one of the guilty were truly guilty… they were each murdered by the State, many with no blood on their hands.
It’s an abomination. But be smug about it, it lets everybody know what you are
You know what else is easily avoidable? Not murdering people. Singapore should try it
Singapore does try it.
Thats why there are warnings everywhere about what will happen to you if you are so unfathomably self centered and stupid to try and do it anyways.
Basically begging people NOT to do it.
And no amount of your performative pearl clutching will change the fact that this is the smugglers fault and that he faced the very publicly known consequences of it.
Trying to compare it to police planting evidence is a fucking insult to actual victims.
But I’m the smug one. Yeah, sure buddy.
Singapore does try it.
Not very hard. Stop murdering people over transporting plants.
Simple.
Thats why there are warnings everywhere about what will happen to you if you are so unfathomably self centered and stupid to try and do it anyways. Basically begging people NOT to do it.
Doesn’t matter, still murder.
And no amount of your performative pearl clutching will change the fact that this is the smugglers fault and that he faced the very publicly known consequences of it.
Not the smuggler’s fault often; many are doing this unaware. For example, driving a vehicle for work without knowing your coworker is a smuggler.
But, even IF every single one was 100% guilty (even though this is not the case), it’s murder.
Many are totally innocent. It doesn’t matter to you.
Trying to compare it to police planting evidence is a fucking insult to actual victims.
Wrong. Imprisoning and murdering people over plants is a fucking insult to all humanity
But I’m the smug one. Yeah, sure buddy.
You’re revolting to me, pal. You are defending murder.
Because they will never let him in in the first place. Vast majority of countries don’t take in immigrants.
what a shithole
Is that a mirror or a microphone?
It’s a statement. It means Singapore is unpleasant.
Singapore - “we straight up kill drug smugglers to death and have done so for 50 years”. Drug smuggler - “I’m sure they’re exaggerating”
Here I am in Canada, Just finished a perfectly legal grow for my own personal use and got 28 oz from it
784 grams is wiiild :o
well I’m sure he won’t ever do that again!
surely he learned his lesson.
I am reading “Singaporean man executed for importing cannibals” and I am thinking “why would anyone import cannibals???”
Challenging to criticize Singapore if you’re from somewhere with monthly massacres of school children.
Two things can both be bad.
Impossible
Not everyone on the internet lives in the US
My comment was too subtle?
the monthly massacres aren’t government policy. executing a cannabis trafficker is.
aren’t government policy
That could be debated. They’re certainly at least the standard they walk past and accept.
if you’re putting officially written and sanctioned government executions in writing up against the unofficial unsanctioned killings not in writing, I’d be more scared of what the government has written down in policy as there is no possible alternative.
As an outsider, it makes no difference to me. They’re a rabid dog that would turn in the hand as much as they are cold blooded murderers who’ll legislate it in.
Given how willing they are to use it or legislate it on their own citizens, the rest of us are under no illusion about how they’d treat us.
That makes a ton of difference to the dead schoolkids.
the article doesn’t say anything about the schoolkids POV on the dead traffickers or maybe you should just stay on topic
This is probably a shock for you to learn, but on a public forum it’s possible to draw conclusions from any source and not just repeat the OPs post.
Good news! Lemme just go to the parents and tell them!
I don’t see what schoolkids parents has to do with a government sanctioned execution of a cannabis trafficker.
There is an active policy of not preventing cold massacres. Hope that clarifies the point.
… and Singapore has an active policy of condoning and committing murder. That’s bad.
I pray that clears things up for you.
Oh dear
There is no official “active policy” at the national level that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial policy, that varies from one municipality to the next, and from one state to the next. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not an official national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
Deaths arising from acts of omission can be prosecuted. Doesn’t work with Government given the Amendment arguments.
There is no written policy at the national level that you speak of that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial, unwritten policy then that varies from one municipality to the next as well as from one state to another. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not a national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
Not very relevant distinction to the murdered children
not really relevant to the topic at hand.
Not at all. Murder is murder regardless of the country.
How could you possibly think that is challenging? Of course it should be criticized.
Asia pretty much will execute people for importing drugs
“Asia” is a HUGE place, with all kinds of different people, countries and cultures.
60% of the world’s population lives in Asia.
I am currently smoking a joint in Asia. I bought it legally, in the shop down the street.
So…yeah…no death penalty for me.
Savage!
Yet China manufactures a large percentage of the fentanyl sold on the US black market.
I can’t help wondering if this is Opium Wars payback against the anglophones.
You’d think they’d be targeting the UK then, no?
Is picture related or not? If so, looks like he’s got a few keys of coke or meth, a key of heroin or MDMA (tan powder bag) and a bunch of bags of pills that I assume are meth because they are into taking that shit orally in Asia.
